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I'll ask again, why is this so much more interesting to you than the actual subject matter of high-level child abuse and corruption? You really do seem to have quite a bizarre fascination with it.
If the topic is high level child abuse and corruption, then my critique of the "evidence" supplied to support it, is bang on topic.
Your critique of my motivations for posting however isn't on topic at all.
Wind yer neck in.
I'm not suggesting we can 'solve' the crimes on STW but some threads on here actually do contain interesting discussion and useful information about all sorts of issues
This thread might have had a chance of being an interesting discussion, if it wasn't for the constant posting of spurious "evidence" that's turned into yet another conspiracy theory dumping ground.
What question is that oh great overlord?
If you read what I posted a couple of pages back you'll know
I'm glad to report that from what I can see, the questions raised have been answered in the meantime.
If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
I'm glad you feel that way, it'll free me up to see what Mollari is up to on Centari Prime.
Enjoy... If at any point you feel you need a break from fiction to dabble in fact, you may want to have a good look through [url= https://www.scribd.com/doc/246043736/The-Royal-Family-s-Paedophile-Problem ]this[/url] to check if there's any errors, though I'm sure most of it is in order
No, I'm not following any of your links until you've answered my question. It's an exercise in futility otherwise.
Until you clarify your question, there isn't much I can answer that hasn't already been answered...
As I said, it's a couple of pages back. Do your own research.
In that case, it's already been covered...
I'm glad to report that from what I can see, the questions raised have been answered in the meantime.If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
enjoy your fiction
And the same to you.
Chalk one up to Cougar for that comeback 😆
Police statement today [url= http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/20/1400-suspects-operation-hydrant-politician-and-celebrity-child-sex-abuse-inquiry ]Guardian link[/url]
1,433 people referenced in allegations;
135 TV/Film 9.4%
76 Politicians (local and national) 5.3%
43 Music Industry 3.0%
Interesting...we'll have to see what figures come forward for
Judges
Military figures
Police officers
Clergy
Care workers
Also worth noting the relative influence of individuals depending on their profession and social circles
Interesting:
[url= http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/579523/Paedophile-Mason-lodge-GCHQ ]
One of Britain’s most influential paedophiles was Head of a Masonic lodge founded and frequented by GCHQ spies.[/url]
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Though I was a bit dubious, it's [url= http://www.mercuriuslodge.uk/past%20masters%20of%20mercurius%20lodge%207507.html ]legit[/url]
He knew Leon Brittan, Cyril Smith and [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30051756 ]Jimmy Savile[/url]... Greville Janner too?
So it turns out the MP for Cheltenham from 1974-1992, Charles Irving, was a member of the Monday Club, who like Leon Brittan, Cyril Smith and Jimmy Savile, was known at [url= http://www.shoutoutuk.org/2013/10/21/filthy-britain-part-2-rape-lies-and-videotape-the-elm-guest-house-story/ ]Elm Guest House[/url]
He has also been mentioned by David, which if I'm not mistaken, is the guy from the Radio 4 program:
[url= http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/former-rent-boy-i-abused-3885690 ]I was abused by top Tories then blackmailed to keep quiet[/url]
This passage is particularly interesting:
“Alan told me ‘Do you have any idea about the people who I know and the power they wield?’,” says David.“He said if ‘we’ could murder 13 people on the streets of Northern Ireland and get away with it, there would be little trouble in arranging for an accident to befall a member of my family. I was out of my depth.”
As not only were members of Sinn Fein mentioned as visiting Elm Guest House, but also
[url= http://www.irishcentral.com/news/suspected-pedophile-jimmy-savile-boasted-of-ira-connections-for-protection-175218501-237755181.html ]Jimmy Savile boasted of IRA connections for protection[/url]
Esther Baker, 32, said the politician was in a group whose influential members routinely abused young girls in Cannock Chase as uniformed police officers stood guard.
Read that story yesterday, hopefully her actions will move the investigations forward.
Does this have anything to do with that "Pies, your time is now" graffiti on the M6 - something to do with the Paedophile Information Exchange ?
Jimmy Saville was in the IRA? 😯
Meanwhile, my apologies for taking this back on topic and away from the massive conspiracy at the very heart of every lizard, but....
It's good that the Police and Crown Prosecution Service have ensured justice for the victims in those instances, instead of protecting the offenders, as they seem to have done in the case of MPs...
And given the clear knowledge of goings on around [url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1462628.stm ]Rotherham as early as 2001[/url] and the fact the [url= http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/exclusive-mp-and-home-office-failed-to-act-on-rotherham-grooming-11-years-ago-1-6913834 ]Home Office was informed in 2003[/url] not to mention [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29660345 ]missing files relating to Rotherham[/url] perhaps there was some degree of protection there too... but why? And how? Freemasons?
By the way, I'm not suggesting Jimmy Savile was [i]in[/i] the IRA, but given the known links between Kincora, Elm Guest House and Sinn Fein, it certainly lends credibility to the fact that Savile knew members of the IRA.
Why would the Freemasons be "protecting" groups of Asian men in Rotherham?
It's lizards, isn't it?
Northern winters are too cold for lizards...
Flashy, that's not what jhj is saying, stop baiting him.
No.
Simple question -
Why would the Freemasons be "protecting" groups of Asian men in Rotherham?
The lizards comment is simply a flippant way of alluding to the conspiracy idea that there's some massive all-pervading "control structure" at the heart of it all. cf the endless pictures of someone with someone, presented as evidence.
As before, the cause is laudable, the approach is laughable.
So why keep poking him?
I've been with you at several points on this thread, but he isn't making a connection between Masons and Rotherham.
Leave 'im, Flash, 'e ain't wurf it!
Yep, silly me, providing links from credible sources, as opposed to hot air from my nether regions...
Nonetheless:
Why would the Freemasons be "protecting" groups of Asian men in Rotherham?
is a good question...
Here's another good question:
Why are Muslim terrorists given so much media coverage when you are as likely to be killed by the police?
he isn't making a connection between Masons and Rotherham.
Apart from this;
And given the clear knowledge of goings on around Rotherham as early as 2001 and the fact the Home Office was informed in 2003 not to mention missing files relating to Rotherham perhaps there was some degree of protection there too... but why? And how? Freemasons?
What annoys me is that the constant silly picture "nudge nudge" nature of so much of this detracts from what is a valid and laudable cause. Throwing around innuendo, question and supposition as "fact" detracts from that. *Edit - As does the pathetic inability to answer a direct question. Makes you think doesn't it? etc.
I don't want to answer that question so here's another question alluding to what I want you to think
Actually Flash, go get him!
Throwing around innuendo, question and supposition as "fact" detracts from that.
the cause is laudable, the approach is laughable.
The links I provide are laden with fact... if we just accepted facts blindly, without questioning or suppostion, the earth would still be flat and we'd still be amino acids (maybe... after all, the basis of our entire existence is built on question and supposition)
Answer the question.
What's your answer?
I rest my case.
Pathetic.
This is an open forum for open discussion... if anyone thinks they have an answer, they're free to contribute.
What are your thoughts on the fact that Keith Harding, a known abuser, who knew other high ranking abusers, including the Home Secretary Leon Brittan and Cyril Smith, who was protected by the security services, along with Jimmy Savile, who was a close confidant of the future king, was a high ranking Freemason at a lodge affiliated with GCHQ, a government owned institution, whose extensive global surveillance the government tried to cover up?
if we just accepted facts blindly, without questioning or suppostion, the earth would still be flat
No, it wouldn't, it's still be an oblate spheroid, we'd just have a load of halfwits claiming it was round and posting pictures of the earth in the same room as Jimmy Savile as proof.
What are your thoughts
That you can connect the dots between many events/people but you still have to prove causality and an actual link of something.
You are great at the former and risible at the later - I am not even sure you get the concept tbh. Random oh look this and then this and then this so therefore this is not proof and you dont seem to get this really basic point.
Oh look he did a bad thing and he once went here where he met Y and he knows this person who is an IRA Mason with links to the royals and the elite and therefore the Queen has a paedo network. Its not proof of anything except your inability to think correctly.
The cause is laudable your method laughable
HTH.....as if it will as you just want "facts" that agree with you.
As much as it shames me to agree with him 😛
Junkyard +1
Welcome aboard Comrade 😉
To make matters worse, I agree with Junky.
Feels so wrong. I'm going to go and find a decontamination unit somewhere.
Who knew what a unifying force he could be .....shall we send him to the middle east now Tony has given it up 😀
Who knew what a unifying force he could be .....shall we send him to the middle east now Tony has given it up
Haven't they suffered enough?
We watched "The Detectives" last night about specially trained detectives who investigate sex crimes. Very very tough job. All on iPlayer
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05whdgf ]BBC Link[/url]
Jamba, you linked to the wrong documentary
Here is the correct vid
There's positives in any situation and having a unified group of critics certainly helps iron out any minor errors before taking things to the big stage.
Believe it or not, MP John Mann:
who has been pivotal in ensuring allegations of a wide ranging VIP paedophile ring are adequately investigated, has contacted me regarding my research.
I can't go into too much detail at the moment, but in the meantime, you may want to read this, regarding Esther Baker, the woman who was brave enough to waive anonymity to tell her story of how from the age of 6, she was raped by a Liberal Democrat MP, along with Lords and Judges.
What has also emerged that quite independently two other women have come forward and made similar allegations against the same former Liberal Democrat MP. Unlike Esther these two women have not made their complaints public and still have to talk to Staffordshire Police in any detail about their allegations. Neither are known to Esther.And to add to the complications a third survivor, a man already talking to the Met Police, about allegations in Dolphin Square, London has identified from a picture of Esther as a child, her being there.