[Closed] "1,400 children were subjected to "appalling" sexual exploitation in Rotherham"

Check your browser settings. I think you've got yours set to write-only.

I've had mine set to "read only" on this thread for a while. It's like trying to teach a brick to do tricks.

But that comment deserves a break in the embargo 🙂

Cheap shots and abuse eh?

If it wasn't so late in the week I'd think this was the Monday Club.

Systematic abuse at that. Maybe it's a conspiracy.

Ivanova looked really sad, I hope they're ok.

Now we have a moderator cracking gags on the child abuse thread. Awsumz.

Being as you're so engrossed in Babylon, surprised you find the time to read, let alone comment on something that you have no interest in...

Grum, feel free to report it. I read it as Cougar making a very valid point.

Speaking of valid points, silly me, on the last page, I forgot all about this:
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/royal-family-member-was-investigated-as-part-of-paedophile-ring-before-coverup-excop-says-10126864.html ]
Royal Family Member was investigated as part of paedophile ring before cover up[/url]

Probably quite relevant all things considered...

So it is claimed a Royal was involved and it was covered up.

It needs investigating. If true, it is shocking and those involved in all aspects need to be charged and tried.

But at this stage it is a claim. And needs investigating. Then we can find out if it is true.

jivehoneyjive -
I don't know about you, but generally when I work with people, we tend to build up a rapport.

Speaking of valid points, silly me, on the last page, I forgot all about this:

Royal Family Member was investigated as part of paedophile ring before cover up

Probably quite relevant all things considered...

Haven't you realised yet that no-one here is actually interested in any of this stuff? They're only interested in telling you you're wrong, over and over and over and over again.

But at this stage it is a claim. And needs investigating. Then we can find out if it is true.

Do you have any confidence that it will be properly investigated?

Seems that way... ah well, there's nowt so strange as folk.

Surely pondo knows you should never judge a book by it's cover:

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Haven't you realised yet that no-one here is actually interested in any of this stuff?

I'm not interested in wading through hours of YouTube videos and webpages containing unsubstantiated rumours and guesswork. Not in the slightest.

Can't speak for anyone else though.

They're only interested in telling you you're wrong, over and over and over and over again.

If he keeps posting things as fact, without seeming to understand what "evidence" is.

I'm sure people will keep pointing it out.

As has been said before, it's not a lack of interest in the overall subject matter.

It's a lack of interest in listening to the ramblings of an "internet detective"

Cool, so what did you think of the Radio 4 programme?

You don't meant to say you've posted a pearl of evidence amongst all the other unfounded dross?

Is that your idea of building rapport?

I'm not the one who made claims about the importance of building rapport. It's been instructive to see how effective you are at it with all your long years of professional experience, though.

grum - Member

Haven't you realised yet that no-one here is actually interested in any of this stuff? They're only interested in telling you you're wrong, over and over and over and over again.

While you on the other hand rather than tell JHJ that he's wrong prefers to take a more subtle approach :

grum - Member

You're not going to persuade JHJ to start thinking rationally, and everyone else knows he's full of shit.

I'm sure JHJ prefers to be told that he's irrational and full of shit than to be accused of being wrong.

Everyone makes mistakes every now and again, but from what I've seen, grums a pretty decent guy.

Not really sure what you're trying to achieve though ernie?

Well obviously you are going to think he's "a pretty decent guy" whilst he's backing you up.

I just like to remind grum that while he constantly criticises other people for not agreeing with you he was happy to say that you can't think rationally and are full of shit when it suited him.

This isn't about you JHJ it's about grum's self-righteous and apparently rather selective indignation.

It's understandable everyone is a bit disturbed at the moment, this is some serious and heavy shit, but at the end of the day, we're all in the same boat.

How's about we stop picking away at each other and work on making sure the matter is adequately pursued...

I'm not sure what boat you mean. I'm just pointing out that people are perfectly entitled to dismiss your conspiracy theories if they want to.

How's about we stop picking away at each other and work on making sure the matter is adequately pursued...

As I, and plenty other people, have said before. ..

Your scattergun approach to making accusations based purely on conjecture, and nothing that can be considered as actual evidence, does nothing to help.

In fact it does the opposite, as it puts what is actually a serious matter lumped in with all the other conspiracy theories.

You won't listen though, so what's the point.

If it turned out the Royal family had indeed been complicit in the procurement and trafficking of children from carehomes by the security services, for the purposes of blackmailing politicians, would you accept it?

How about if a member of the Royal family had been directly involved in the sadistic abuse of children?

I think it would be accepted if there were irrefutable evidence, and the odd incoherent youtube vid and veiled reference doesn't really cut it for me. We can say "how about..." anything we like, but if it lacks proof, there's not really much point, kind of like your "I like to build rapport" claims.

If it turned out the Royal family had indeed been complicit in the procurement and trafficking of children from carehomes by the security services, for the purposes of blackmailing politicians, [b]would you accept it?[/b]

How about if a member of the Royal family had been directly involved in the sadistic abuse of children?

I'm not even sure what you are asking.

Would I accept it ?

If it was proven that it happened, then of course I would accept it. It would be a fact.

No offence meant, but that's a ****ing stupid question.

More pertinent is will you ever accept that you were wrong.

Everyone here can be swayed by proof and evidence...ironically everyone but you.

Given the current makeup of the inquiry into child abuse, do you think such matters will be thoroughly investigated?

Hang on, have you moved on from your first stupid question without explaining why you asked it ?

I just like to remind grum that while he constantly criticises other people for not agreeing with you he was happy to say that you can't think rationally and are full of shit when it suited him.

This isn't about you JHJ it's about grum's self-righteous and apparently rather selective indignation.

I think a lot of the stuff that JHJ points is unhelpful because it makes people dismiss it all as conspiracy theory.

Even though I agree with most of the points that most of you make about how illogical and irrational a lot of it is, it really baffles/infuriates me how you all choose to ignore the fact that within all the conspiracy nonsense there is a lot of fairly pertinent and credible information about serious and horrific crimes.

I think it's utterly, utterly pointless to keep on nitpicking at everything he says, and this thread would be a lot more interesting if people just talked about the credible stuff.

Yes I was rude about JHJ and probably shouldn't have been - but I left it at that, rather than posting endless tedious and pointless rebuttals of every single conspiracy theory he comes out with.

Why is everyone so much more interested in picking apart every single thing JHJ says than talking about the actual issue? Seriously?

I tried a few times but it genuinely seems like no-one here is really interested, yet you all keep coming back again and again to pick apart JHJ's posts.

ironically everyone but you.

Me ?

Just to ascertain that I'm speaking to people who have adequate understanding of what is being discussed, rather than relying on conjecture and denial, what did you think of the Radio 4 programme?

it really baffles/infuriates me how you all choose to ignore the fact that within all the conspiracy nonsense there is a lot of fairly pertinent and credible information about serious and horrific crimes.

Who says anyone ignores it ?

Maybe we just don't bleat about it on bike forums.

For all the good it would do what's the point ?

Just thought i'd throw this in to the [i]ring[/i] to back up jhj, the royal who was investigated was Prince Philip and he used/owned a black cab to drive around in at the time.

Not about to say how/why i know of such an accusation but there you go, I have absolutely no doubt that the individual who mentioned it to me is 100% genuine as to their belief……ah what the hell - it was known in certain London criminal [i]underworld[/i] organisations.

There…i have just totally made myself the laughing stock of stw and nothing i ever say again will be taken seriously 😉

Who says anyone ignores it ?

Maybe we just don't bleat about it on bike forums.

For all the good it would do what's the point ?

What's the point of any discussion on a bike forum? Why do you keep coming back to this thread?

Just to ascertain that I'm speaking to people who have adequate understanding of what is being discussed,

Most of the time, what you discuss is rumour and conjecture.

As is constantly pointed out to you, and constantly ignored.

rather than relying on conjecture..

That's just beyond my irony limit I'm afraid.

Not even sure if you are joking or not.

I've not listened to the radio 4 program. (Here comes the claim that I don't care 🙄 )

So you're not really qualified to discuss the matter...

You do seem to have a very keen interest in JHJ being wrong, can you explain why this fascinates you so much?

I've not listened to the R4 programme yet but I will.

What's the point of any discussion on a bike forum?

Various reasons, too many to list.

Solving crimes not being one of them.

Why do you keep coming back to this thread?

Because it's interesting.

Problem ?

So you're not really qualified to discuss the matter...

That's funny 🙂

You do seem to have a very keen interest in JHJ being wrong, can you explain why this fascinates you so much?

I find it interesting and depressing in equal measure, that someone who obviously cares about something so much, is so incapable of understanding the process of investigation and the meaning of evidence, that he's ill equipped to do anything about it.

I've not listened to the R4 programme yet but I will.

Then your not really qualified to discuss the matter.

Beyond all the bickering on here, you have to admire the bravery of the survivors, social workers and journalists who have been campaigning on these matters for what now amounts to decades.

And Mark Williams Thomas for exposing Jimmy Savile, knowing the links he had to so many powerful people.

Beyond all the bickering on here, you have to admire the bravery of the survivors, social workers and journalists who have been campaigning on these matters for what now amounts to decades.

And Mark Williams Thomas for exposing Jimmy Savile, knowing the links he had to so many powerful people.

Agreed JHJ

Because it's interesting.

I'll ask again, why is this so much more interesting to you than the actual subject matter of high-level child abuse and corruption? You really do seem to have quite a bizarre fascination with it.

I'm not suggesting we can 'solve' the crimes on STW but some threads on here actually do contain interesting discussion and useful information about all sorts of issues.

what did you think of the Radio 4 programme?

I haven't listened to it. If you read what I posted a couple of pages back you'll know why, I'm still waiting on an answer to that question.

What question is that oh great overlord?

Beyond all the bickering on here, you have to admire the bravery of the survivors, social workers and journalists who have been campaigning on these matters for what now amounts to decades.