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Singletrack Forum » Topic: 6 Nations http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations en-US Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:10:58 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 <![CDATA[Search]]> q http://singletrackworld.com/forum/search.php anagallis_arvensis on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1255176 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:17:19 +0000 anagallis_arvensis 1255176@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <blockquote>at the start of this thread A-A did go on about how great the Welsh 15 are now he has finally admitted that they really struggle with a few injuries</blockquote> Surely that makes perfect sense, Wales have a very good first 15 that on their day could make anyone sit up and take notice, however they have no replacements of international quality for a number of those and some distinctly average replacements in others. England have a lot of very good players but none of the quality of Gethin Jenkins or Mike Phillips for example. I think this is how I can remain positive following a shit six nations as the way forward for wales seems fairly clear. In contrast England seem to have no clear idea of what their first 15 is. For example Armitage was the star last year and is dropped for the next big thing this year. A new attacking dawn was promised with a pacey elusive 13 picked and then as soon as the pressure comes on Tindall is bought back who despite being a fine player is the polar opposite which suggests the whole attacking plan has changed and yet they choose Flood at ten who could have got more out of Tait. Wales on the other hand picked roberst and hook in the centre and despite their obvious problems they have been stuck with as the coaches seem to have a plan (this is one area in which wales have options) I'm not sure the england coaches have a plan. TandemJeremy on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1253324 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:31:25 +0000 TandemJeremy 1253324@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ Darcy - Scotland fans know how crap they are - just delighted to be significantly less crap than last year. Were Scotland the only team that improved this year? Maybe Italy and France? England were the worst I have ever seen - lowest points total in the 6n that they have ever got IdleJon on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1253256 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:14:46 +0000 IdleJon 1253256@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <blockquote>TimP - Member As for Eng v Wales at the moment, well that was settled a few weeks ago. However much you complain, and you say that Wales play better, the record books show that Eng beat Wales, and it is pretty difficult to argue that the losing side is therefore better. On the given day, England managed to score more points than Wales, which is the idea, and regardless of how they did it, it does make them better at rugby. </blockquote> A fair summary, TimP. The funny thing is, I never said that Wales were better than England this year. backhander somehow managed to create his own argument there.. deadlydarcy on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1253006 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:13:55 +0000 deadlydarcy 1253006@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <blockquote>hunk a spunk of Shamrock love</blockquote> <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_lol.gif" title=":lol:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> Absolutely loving that phrase Pigface. Pigface on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1252843 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:32:03 +0000 Pigface 1252843@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ Whoa there Darcy you hunk a spunk of Shamrock love I know Wales are the best side in the world, it is in my DNA to think that I can not help it. Whatever contradictory evidence is put in front of me <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=":wink:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> molgrips on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1252836 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:30:14 +0000 molgrips 1252836@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ England are obviously a worse side than Wales currently. The fact that they finished higher in the table is immaterial since not all of their opponents play the same standard in each match. That's my theory anyway <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> Seriously though, I think Wales are cooking up something fantastic. It just needs to click - if it does, then we will be fabulous. Until Martyn and Shane retire.. then we'll be worse <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> deadlydarcy on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1252819 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:25:53 +0000 deadlydarcy 1252819@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ In summary then... France - as good as they and everyone else thinks they are Ireland - not as good as they think they are but about as good as everyone else thinks they are England - around as good/crap as they think they are but not as crap as Welsh fans think they are Wales - around as crap as everybody thinks they are but around the distance from here to the moon behind where they think they are themselves Scotland - Around as crap as everybody thinks they are but beating the second best team in it means they think they are world class Italy - What TimP said TimP on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1252792 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:16:51 +0000 TimP 1252792@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ As and Englishman I do sadly have to agree with some of the points made by the Welsh on here, but at the start of this thread A-A did go on about how great the Welsh 15 are, now he has finally admitted that they really struggle with a few injuries. Eng to have struggled to find a setteld 15 with the injuries we have had, and it definitely shows in our performances. The choice of Tindall in the centres was obvious to counteract the big Basterau, don't understand why that confused you. He is a very good player and has spent a long time out with injury, otherwise he would have been in the squad from the start. As for Eng v Wales at the moment, well that was settled a few weeks ago. However much you complain, and you say that Wales play better, the record books show that Eng beat Wales, and it is pretty difficult to argue that the losing side is therefore better. On the given day, England managed to score more points than Wales, which is the idea, and regardless of how they did it, it does make them better at rugby. England are not playing attractive rugby and havent for some time, but they are getting some reasonable results out (lots of 2nd and 3rds in 6N and 2nd in WC), and yet no-one is giving them any credit for that. Personally I would be happier supporting them if I had a bit of confidence that they might either show some flair or conviction, and I did hope MJ might get them going this year and use some younger players before the WC, but not to be. Overall the table is pretty fair France won all games without too much bother Ireland second best to France Eng average, and a bit lucky Wales played less than 40mins per game and so cant be too upset with 4th Scot played some good rugby, but didnt score enough tries (been a problem for years) Italy need to stop bringing in struggling SH players, think the ML promotion will help backhander on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1252790 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:15:32 +0000 backhander 1252790@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ What? You steam into page 22 of a thread and immediately call a participant a "clown". Do one. whytetrash on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1252635 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:33:35 +0000 whytetrash 1252635@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ Think your mum must have dropped you on your head mate!..very reasoned response there addressing all the key points!....Rugby is a game to entertain...England patently do not ergo Wales are better! Pigface on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1252504 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:51:31 +0000 Pigface 1252504@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ Come on chaps play nicely <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> backhander on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1252444 Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:22:49 +0000 backhander 1252444@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ Whytetrash; Shut up you f***ing idiot. whytetrash on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1252154 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:07:38 +0000 whytetrash 1252154@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ Back hander you are a clown...2005 2008 grand slams...how can you say England have been better than Wales for the last 4 years.. Think it was Hensons comment after we kicked you sorry arses at the Fortress in 08..."we only played well for 10 minutes but it was enough" England have played a load of stodgy crap...only entertainment is watching MJ having hissy fits with post game interviewers! Where have been your exciting trys?...we have had loads! rhys on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1251971 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:15:48 +0000 rhys 1251971@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ Remember I'm genetically predispositioned to disagree with everything you say <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> rhys on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1251959 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:13:52 +0000 rhys 1251959@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ Is it lonely? backhander on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1251804 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:44:18 +0000 backhander 1251804@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ I am in no way saying that england aren't crap. Just slightly less crap than wales over the course of the tournament according to the results and table. Which is the point of a tournament. See? anagallis_arvensis on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1251175 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:34:55 +0000 anagallis_arvensis 1251175@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ backhander, I think for your own mental health you need to embrace English rugby's crapness. IdleJon on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1250708 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:50:46 +0000 IdleJon 1250708@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ I'm just being flippant! <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=":wink:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> backhander on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1250701 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:48:08 +0000 backhander 1250701@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ Because that's how far back it goes on the 6N website <a href="http://www.rbs6nations.com/en/match-centre_table.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.rbs6nations.com/en/match-centre_table.php</a> That's why. IdleJon on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1250611 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:20:25 +0000 IdleJon 1250611@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <blockquote>backhander - Member This is just ridiculous. Wales lost to england this year, england finished the table above wales. It really is that simple. And you still maintain that wales are a better team? FFS Wales have finished higher than england in the 6N 3 times since 1991. </blockquote> Why stop at 1991? Shall we go back to 1970? backhander, well done, you've cheered me up today, reading this. <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_biggrin.gif" title=":D" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> and also <blockquote>juan - Member Well who cares if england is better than wales... */smug mode/* Who wont the grandslam this year :p </blockquote> juan, that made me laugh as well. ocrider on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1245776 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:26:20 +0000 ocrider 1245776@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ I second Dez's comment above. The relief that England actually played rugby for once in this years 6N has comforted me greatly. The irony of france playing a patient game in the rain, waiting and kicking the points or as they call it: le jeu a l'anglaise shouldnt be taken for granted. That team are learning to graft a result rather than win with style and will be surely a big contender next year in NZ. DezB on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1245689 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:04:04 +0000 DezB 1245689@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ I agree - who cares that England are better, on paper, than Wales. I'd much rather watch Wales, than the England team of the first 4 games in the tournament. In fact, I think I'd rather watch f%^&ing GOLF than the England team of the first 4 games! I found myself not caring that England lost against France, just so <strike>happy</strike> relieved that they weren't SHIT. Taz on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1245645 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:54:31 +0000 Taz 1245645@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ Back hander as a neutral in the England / Wales debate I think your argument is at best weak. I think in terms of winning head to heads (now - not over the last ~ 20 years) it could go either way but I would happily bet my money on a fully fit Welsh team and can say 100% that of the two they would easily be my preferred team to watch. Were any of the England games good spectacles? I did not see the Irish game so maybe that was? The others were dire. It's a pity rugby was not played on paper as I think England could win that. Somehow MJ and co cannot make the sum of the parts work. As an English fan you must find that hugely frustrating? backhander on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1244844 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:31:34 +0000 backhander 1244844@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ This is just ridiculous. Wales lost to england this year, england finished the table above wales. It really is that simple. And you still maintain that wales are a better team? FFS I sense some excuses coming (oh we had a bad game and france didn't let us finish waa waa waa). Wales have finished higher than england in the 6N 3 times since 1991. Wales may have won some individual games but it's the 6 nations. TandemJeremy on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1244664 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:47:55 +0000 TandemJeremy 1244664@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ Wales / England - - IMO England have been playing mediocre rugby for years - whereas Wales alternate between great and rubbish..Hard to say which is better really . Stodge all the time or Champagne one day and dogfood the next? juan on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1244656 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:45:58 +0000 juan 1244656@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ Well who cares if england is better than wales... */smug mode/* Who wont the grandslam this year :p anagallis_arvensis on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1244620 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:37:48 +0000 anagallis_arvensis 1244620@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <blockquote>that's aside from the fact that england have beaten wales, and finished consistently above them for the last 4 odd years.</blockquote> erm last year you lost in wales, year before wales won grandslam so I'm pretty sure you lost then, year before wales beat england 2006 wales got hammered, 2005 we won the grandslam again......... England are not very good and its hard to justify a conclusion that they are any better than wales currently backhander on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1244278 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:35:31 +0000 backhander 1244278@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ Yeah, because you know better <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_rolleyes.gif" title=":roll:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> rhys on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1244273 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:34:08 +0000 rhys 1244273@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ omg you actually believe it!!!!!!! <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_lol.gif" title=":lol:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> backhander on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1244207 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:21:31 +0000 backhander 1244207@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ That's as may be, Wales points diff was -4. I'm very happy to provide a neutral reference to my claim; <a href="http://www.irb.com/rankings/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.irb.com/rankings/index.html</a> You'rs are? results matter in the real world that's aside from the fact that england have beaten wales, and finished consistently above them for the last 4 odd years. Just for rhys <a href="http://www.rbs6nations.com/en/match-centre_table.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.rbs6nations.com/en/match-centre_table.php</a> enjoy mate CaptainFlashheart on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/22#post-1244190 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:19:41 +0000 CaptainFlashheart 1244190@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <blockquote>there is only one real TJ</blockquote> There can be only one! <img src="http://www.highlanders.co.nz/images/highlander_resam.jpg"> (He wasn't a real Scotch person, either! <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=";-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> ) anagallis_arvensis on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/21#post-1244172 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:17:20 +0000 anagallis_arvensis 1244172@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <blockquote>The FACT is than at this moment in time of wales and england, england are the better team. </blockquote> At this moment? Erm not sure I reckon the Wales team that played Italy if it played England next week would have a very good chance of beating them..... well maybe not with Prydie..... but the point stands..... kind of. At least Wales have a settled looking first choice 15 and have a clear way forward (get them all fit at the same time) whereas who england will pick next is a mystery. Taz on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/21#post-1244026 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:33:51 +0000 Taz 1244026@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ My ending observations France - easily the best team and real WC contenders. They sold them selves short yesterday but still won more comfortably than the 2 points would suggest Ireland - Must be disappointed. Looked very stong coming in but somehow it just did not happen. If Sexton can improve his kicking (and I think he will) they are still capable of beating anyone England - Truly, truly aweful at times. I am mystified by how a nation of such resources can be so poor. Johnson has to go. I actually think a humping in Paris may ultimately have served them better. ie MJ out and some new thinking in. Former strengths are now weaknesses (most of the pack!) Wales - I love Welsh rugby, even if I hate the one eyed ness of much of the Welsh support. Some great moments in the 6N's and with a better lineout I think things may have been better for them. Potentially mouth watering back line. Scotland - Coulda, shoulda, woulda yet again. Could and probably should have beaten England & Wales (Did not see the Italy game so cannot comment!). Some very promising signs if the limited resources are all fit. Best backrow since Calder, Jeffries & Turnbull Italy - Get their clubs into the Magners. Beat Scotland, could have beaten England and did ok vs Ireland. Need a stronger feeder system (hence magners comment) Pigface on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/21#post-1243879 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:50:24 +0000 Pigface 1243879@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ Backhander with the greatest respect you are writing cheques your team cant cash <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_wink.gif" title=":wink:" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> TandemJeremy on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/21#post-1243778 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:22:26 +0000 TandemJeremy 1243778@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ England were mince throughout the championship - Wales at lest were good in parts. I believe thats Englands lowest points total and lowest try count in the 6N. A team that is less than the sum of its parts playing to an outmoded game plan. rhys on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/21#post-1243769 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:18:13 +0000 rhys 1243769@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ England the better team, lets just consider that, hmmmmm. No, nada, niet, nein, na, not in a month of dull Sundays. Sorry, move along there. backhander on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/21#post-1243678 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:47:00 +0000 backhander 1243678@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ Idlejon, that is the biggest load of shite I've ever seen posted on this forum. You must be a smoking crack. I'm sure you must be trolling as nobody believes a word of that. At least pigface knows what he's talking about (even if he's wrong :P). The FACT is than at this moment in time of wales and england, england are the better team. TandemJeremy on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/21#post-1243661 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:42:42 +0000 TandemJeremy 1243661@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ Hairychested - touch judges of course - there is only one real TJ Pigface on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/21#post-1243636 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:32:57 +0000 Pigface 1243636@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ I dont think England ever looked like winning, just huffed and puffed and France looked comfortable. One great chance that Ashton blew badly, WTF did he have on his feet. England have got some good players but only Cueto is great in my humble opinion. They seem stuck with the idea of playing with forward dominance but havent got the forwards to do it. Front row is awful worst in the 6 nations, the back 3 are so inconsistent, but none of them make you sit up and take notice. Care is nothing special or he struggles for fast ball. It goes in phases, you cant be the best all the time. I dont think Wales are shit, thats just a daft thing to say, can play the most exciting rugby you will ever see, apart from the French first 20 mins against Italy they have provided more thrills and spills than anyone else. The Scottish game was just incredible. Hairychested on "6 Nations" http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/6-nations/page/21#post-1243592 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:14:10 +0000 Hairychested 1243592@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/ <blockquote>I think the answers are 1) two more officials on the field in each in goal area (or 2 TJs each side) - this would enable things to be policed better such as the offside line and scrum binding. The in goal judge each end could move up to halway if the play is at the other end - only one guy with a whistle but give the others flags like in american football.</blockquote> LMAO