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Having seen this exact frame/fork and a Mavic Crossmax SX wheelset for sale on Pinkbike to which has now been taken off as it was sold.
This chap named and shamed above has built it into a complete bike adding bits and bobs and selling 3rd hand now at £3k.
The Intense frame/36 rlc's and Crossmax SX's were bought 2nd hand for £1550 or nearest offer so presuming he got it for less, makes this even worse than it already is.
It's just not cricket and is against classifieds rules on here atleast and shouldn't be allowed full stop as it's easy money for those who do not support the sport of biking/cycling and just pick up next to new bargains at other actual rider's expense then decide to pounce on the for sale topics and make a quick buck.
BOILS MY PISS!
Whilst selling my 2 bikes recently, he contacted me about one "Very interested, blah,blah" He then failed to respond to emails. He was doing the same thing on about 4 bikes at the same time - a complete waste of my time. I wouldn't buy off him.
Complete chancer then and for those who would like to send a wee profanity riddled e-mail to him then you can do so at this scamming address. charliefjking@yahoo.com
I have had this happen to me by a retrobike forum member who made loads of profit by buying from myself, clearly making sure he had all the extra tit bits to then sell on afterwards.
He then e-mails me to complain that the xtr crankset were 165mm's, which were on a jumpbike to then imply that he could not sell 165mm's as easily as 175mm's.
His name is HarryBurgundy aka Carl Thomas from Cardiff way who has I apparently works, ahem and has a wine retailer or distributor which I would of thought is already successful enough.
Greed is the name of the game and it's clearly wrong, and yes I would like to think fairness is the name of the game when dealing with people who share the same passion but clearly this is not the case.
SHAME ON YOU $#1$T£R$!
just make a note to yourself never to buy off him.
and only buy off folk who use the general forums too, although 1 well know sheffield based trader/scammer/tosspot, now posts on the forum too rather than just on the classifieds.
name them ton for all our sakes
ta
Does annoy me and not in the spirit of STW
junky, if i give you the HEADSUP, please dont tell anyone else.
True Ton, although I'm a bit miffed why you wasted my time with that H'core Conti tyre that you wanted 😛
Really, why didn't you follow through. 😆
There all over ebay for a long time now, whilst chancing their luck on these very forums, yet when I try to sell a bloomin load of new kit for under £30 an item, no one wants to know even though I'm the quickest in the west when it comes to posting. 🙄
Headsup is something similar or rather on ebay username.
The account is located in Sheffield too.
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Ton, I gave the powers at be the HEADSUP about said person and they did nothing about him. His profile has a possibly false name as well, it certainly does not match his email address.
just make a note to yourself never to buy off him.
and only buy off folk who use the general forums too
I'd say this is a good general rule to apply these days. Usually (though not always) means it's more realistically priced (and described) to sell also. Looking at someone's forum history is a little like ebay feedback in my book, if they've only ever sold stuff and never contributed, it's like having a zero feedback score.
mate, i thought i emailed you about the tyre......sorry if i did not.
i was too big, i needed 2.35 in the end.
No worries Ton, I'll get the scissors/sticky stuff out and then wait for payment.
🙄 😆
ton - Member
just make a note to yourself never to buy off him.
and only buy off folk who use the general forums too, although 1 well know sheffield based trader/scammer/tosspot, now posts on the forum too rather than just on the classifieds.
aye, i myself got a headsup recently when I saw a rear mech I neeeded at a good price, sent email then when I saw who it was from run a mile.
Wasn't sure what to do about it, glad it has been raised again.
then noticed that they had been posting on threads also, even starting some, cynically I imagine to get past our "forum community" general guidance.
****.
Kev
Tony,
You get that £5 at work on Friday mate?
Nick, i did, cheers.
Great stuff Tony.
Thanks again.
I think we should have a specific thread naming bad sellers (inc paypal details/bank details, email address and ant other information) so we can do a quick search on their name (using the search bar) and see if there genuine.
Thats a great suggestion, i was stung on Pinkbike and such a facility would be to the benefit of everybody.
As a rule i never buy from a new member, always check previous posts etc but you just never know. I always pay by Paypal as its got me out of a hole on more than one occasion.
username upthedowns on here burned me. formally known as fennerhorne he changed his username after burning me and i went on a mission on one of his threads to shame him. Real name is martin something from brighton. was up until then selling far too many bikes on here for it to be just a hobby.
If you sell stuff to strangers below market value then this is bound to happen.
If you sell stuff to strangers below market value then this is bound to happen.
This ^^ .
Although in this forum I do it as much as anyone . But some people don't care about the moral aspect , buy a bargain and try to make a profit , natural action for many people .
The Mods seem to show SCANT regard to the "outing" of regular traders on the classifieds.peteimpreza - Member
Ton, I gave the powers at be the HEADSUP about said person and they did nothing about him. His profile has a possibly false name as well, it certainly does not match his email address.
Having seen this exact frame/fork and a Mavic Crossmax SX wheelset for sale on Pinkbike to which has now been taken off as it was sold.This chap named and shamed above has built it into a complete bike adding bits and bobs and selling 3rd hand now at £3k.
The Intense frame/36 rlc's and Crossmax SX's were bought 2nd hand for £1550 or nearest offer so presuming he got it for less, makes this even worse than it already is.
It's just not cricket and is against classifieds rules on here atleast and shouldn't be allowed full stop as it's easy money for those who do not support the sport of biking/cycling and just pick up next to new bargains at other actual rider's expense then decide to pounce on the for sale topics and make a quick buck.
I can't understand what you've written, but I'm not sure I get the issue with people buying bikes/frames/components and building up/selling on for a profit?
Couldn't really be any clearer.Classified RulesWhat’s the classifieds forum for?
The classified forum is free for all private sales. It’s there primarily to provide and opportunity for you to sell those unwanted bits and pieces that you have no need for that someone else may well be desperate to get hold of.
Lets try and define what we mean by ‘private’.
The ‘spirit’ of our forum is one where users can turn their old, surplus or unwanted kit into extra cash to enable them to buy new bits to help them get out and continue riding. [b]The Classified Forum is not a place where users can trade parts bought elsewhere and then sold at a profit. [/b]If we suspect that a user is exploiting our forum to earn additional income or solely for the purposes of making a profit then we are very likely to consider that as ‘Trade’ activity and we’ll ask you to stop. We will look at each instance reported to us or spotted by us on a case by case basis and then we will act at our discretion.
Why do folk sell underpriced? Do you see stw as a big family/community?
Sorry, but I see it as naive. Are people just upset cos they've sold at a **** price and someone's making the money they lost?
Jeez, this isn't some commune, regardless of rules, provide a market and people are going to buy and sell for profit. Get over it.
Simple. I want to sell a frame, I take a low price to get rid of it quickly and move on, I don't want to hang around listing it for ages waiting for a max price and quibbling over a tenner. Fair play to the man who is, buys my frame and sells it for a profit.
I'm not bothered really, its frustrating if somebody is happy to give a decent price to a fellow enthusiast, and its frustrating if every decent deal is snapped up immediately and goes on eBay within a week. At the same time I have sold stuff which I knew would end up on eBay, because I wanted cash for the job lot.
Its funny when you get the whole story about "this is just what I need to finish my build, etc, etc..."
+1 cynic-al if some one sells at a daft price is that not thier loss,
but also the forum should not be for traders !
I can't help swapping and changing so am often buying and selling even though I've only one bike.Even if you sell for a fair price the majority seem to want it for even less ! 🙂
Personally I don't care where my old stuff ends up, I mainly sell it as I can't stand throwing away stuff that's not broken. If someone wants to build up a bike and try and make a profit, good for them - if someone is happy to buy it, where is the issue?
well it is against the forum rules and in most on line market places traders have to identify themselves as such.
I am not sure anyone is objecting to "trading" just the fact it is not open trading and should not be allowed on here.
i have sold and bought stuff from "fennerhorn" i used to pick stuff up from his house in brighton.
i never had a problem with him. but he did seem very aware. (never let me in his house to wait in his hallway whilst he got the parts i bought. (i waited in the rain for 5 minuets whilst he removed a BB from a bike he was selling me)
I'm with Al, I don't care how people trade, I just want access to parts.
I have to say I have no moral problem with folk trading SH parts - it's not like it's likely to give anyone Ferrari owning earnings.
but if it's against the rules, fair enough.
It does sound a bit like sour grapes !
If you sell something then hopefully your happy with the price you got!
If someone then gets a better price for that object surely that's got nothing to do with anybody else.
I do agree with the idea that this place is a community that looks after its own and as people have
Said that is quite easily policed from within by searching for post etc but to complain about
People that have paid and collected stuff to then maybe sell them on is just tough luck to whoever sold them cheaply in the first place IMO.
Bump
Hmmm, this is starting to sound all too familiar...
Headsup is something similar or rather on ebay username.The account is located in Sheffield too.
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- Located in Sheffield... check
- Trading in dodgy parts and ripping people off... check
Oh God, it's not that Peter Gratwick ****er again I hope!
Check out these STW threads on him...
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/freeform5spot-have-i-been-scammed ]Peter Gratwick - have I been scammed?[/url]
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/oh-dear-i-think-have-made-a-mistake ]Peter Gratwick - Oh dear, I think I have made a mistake[/url]
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/psa-less-than-honest-forum-dwellers ]Less than honest Forum dwellers - Peter Gratwick[/url]
And the Mother of all Peter Gratwick threads...
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/a-ideare-classified-scammers ]Classifieds Scammers[/url]
And Charliefjking now trading under new name Mojoman2012 selling a Turner 5 spot, but with the old email address given in the ad. Hmmmm.
Free country alert!
Another plus whatever it is for yet another sour grapes post/whining/moaning/bitching about people selling stuff for more than they paid for it from onceinalifetime.
I presume your self same anti profit approach to buying + selling/dealing applies to property, cars, antiques, food, etc, etc. Somehow I don't think it does.
Free country alert!
Not on this forum it isn't. Mark and Co make the rules and traders are supposed to identify themselves and pay for the privilege of using the classifieds to trade.
cant see a problem with buying for cheap money and then selling on - its down to the seller what price they put on their items.
I try to sell my stuff at 'ebay value', less the ebay fees - that way both the buyer and seller get a fair deal.
as for the OP, 3k for a 2nd bike seems to be pushing it!
zangolin - Member
Another plus whatever it is for yet another sour grapes post/whining/moaning/bitching about people selling stuff for more than they paid for it from onceinalifetime.
Read teh rules.monkeyboyjc - Member
cant see a problem with buying for cheap money and then selling on - its down to the seller what price they put on their items.
?Charliefjking
He has to be f'in joking...
Read teh rules.
Yea,yea - but still bitching + sour grapes about stuff going on outside of STW selling forum.
Trading outside STW classifieds is covered by law also. You have rights to consumer protection when dealing with a commercial entity, these scammers are trying to avoid their responsibilities as they are a commercial undertaking.
I presume your self same anti profit approach to buying + selling/dealing applies to property, cars, antiques, food, etc, etc. Somehow I don't think it does.
If the person clearly declares they are a trading enterprise as per the rules of here, EBAY, auto trader etc then I dont see the problem
If they dont do this then I object.
I dont see anyone objecting to capitalism per se just people who break rules.
I accept some folk will accept that the pursuit of money is such a sufficiently noble goal that lieing and deception are perfectly acceptable to use in this pursuit - are you one of them zangolin?
Why do you think they changed their name? it s because they dont want people to know they are trading?
Again it seems from this thread most object to dishonesty - again what is your view on this ?
I look at the classifieds and the forums as a whole as a community thing. Maybe I'm a naive socialist loony, but I think selling at a lowish price on the classifieds to other riders is in the good spirit of community and more what STW is about than the endless march for maximum profit.
I look at the classifieds and the forums as a whole as a community thing. Maybe I'm a naive socialist loony, but I think selling at a lowish price on the classifieds to other riders is in the good spirit of community and more what STW is about than the endless march for maximum profit.
+1
The way I see it, traders are there to provide you with a service: to make the buying process an easy and enjoyable experience, for which you pay a premium. Which is fair enough - many people would have no qualms about that.
Except in this case that's really not what happens. In reality, you have traders masquerading as private buyers/sellers, taking all of the fairly priced S/H products out of the market, thus leaving the average buyer with little option but paying heavy premiums for the benefit of the trader only.
It provides nothing of any worth to anyone but the trader, and is absolutely no different to ticket touting, in my opinion.
Indeedy,lets be nice to each other and help keep us all riding.
We all have tat we don't need which others do.Circulate this stuff.
I swapped some 7 speed shifters for chocolate. I needed a snickers more than stuff clogging up my shed.
Walleater - even though it is against the rules, I don't really object to people buying/selling for profit. What I don't like is people lying about who they are - check out Charliefjking aka mojoman2012's latest sale for a Turner 5 Spot. If we are all right about him being a dealer, that post is a total fabrication. He also started popping up on the bike forum asking questions - no doubt getting around the policy of some of only buying from proper STW forum users.
If people will lie about who they are, and where the bike comes from, what else are they not truthful about? Would you expect a decent service if it all went wrong?
I really dont see the issue here, as far as I can see its a guy building a bike, taking a financial risk to sell on etc. OK I understand the classifieds rules but if he has the time etc to do so lets not get enraged just dont buy it.
In order to not buy it you would need to know what they are doing and they lie about this. The issues is it breaks the rules of the forum and they lie about what they are doing.
I cannot believe some folk think it is ok to lie about what you are doing, break the rules of the forum and then they defend it.
Still it makes it easy to know who to avoid doing "business" with.
It is mis-selling. Lies in an advert. Charlie/mojoman claims to be selling his pride and joy to pay for Dental work and go down to one bike. On his other threads, he is actively buying 2 more frames, and his new forum name is only a week old. I wouldn't buy a paper from him, let alone trust him with a Mojo HD!!!
It's not mis selling at all, just lies.
I don't know why you let crap like this bother you. You have complained to the mods?
I look at the classifieds and the forums as a whole as a community thing. Maybe I'm a naive socialist loony, but I think selling at a lowish price on the classifieds to other riders is in the good spirit of community and more what STW is about than the endless march for maximum profit.
+2
I've given a couple of cars away before, once specifically as a favour to someone who was hard up. I've also used Freecycle a fair amount. Blatant trading via private classified ads is against the spirit of the forum IMO.
Hi all,
In reply to this thread I think it's a bit of an unfounded accusation.
I am an 18 year old student and I work in a bike shop. I'm lucky enough to have had, and currently own a large selection of bikes as building and riding is my passion. I used to race dh at my track and ride every weekend at my local trail centre or dirt jumps. My mum, girlfriend, step dad and twin brother all also ride so we have 12 bikes currently in our garage!
Regards selling 3 bikes in two weeks, I'm cutting down to one bike for the summer. I also lost a tooth in an assault that has cost me 1750 smackers to replace so need to free up some cash.
The reason the five is for sale- I had wanted an intense tracer 2 for ages so I bought the one you mentioned from pinkbike and built it up but it was too small. I eventually bought this as a replacement as I couldn't find a decent medium at a good price, but managed to pick one up after I had bought this five. I have now sold my small frame and looking forward to building my medium for next weekend with all the same parts off the small bike.
A STW user bought my ibis mojo from me and I'm sure would be prepared to vouch for me (and my new tooth!) All of the above can be proved if necessary and I don't really think it is anybody's place to start a thread about me based on nothing!
Also, I do apologise for not replying to emails but I had a very busy period of A-level exams and I was working like crazy so must have missed them among the crap I get in from facebook, ebay, etc.etc. I apologise for that.
But thanks for your faith in fellow riders!
Charlie
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Honestly, who cares.
Can you curtain twitchers report the guy and stop bitching.
I am more than happy to provide STW with proof of everything I have said and then all this can be put to bed.
pics of your mum please
I'm with Al.
Literally - we're getting hitched.
I love him.
Yeah!
wot we complaining about?..
if you tell me how to post pictures on here and I'll put one up of us all riding in the forest of dean 2 months ago and coed y brenin last year!! my mum has a lovely women's marin wolf ridge in pink!
my mum has a lovely women's marin wolf ridge in pink!
Finbar Saunders would have a field day with that one
Got a pic of the pink Marin wolf ridge (with your mum on it)?
Not fussed about your mum's pink Marin, but I do want a picture of Al and Bullheart. 😳
There was an item about lynch mobs in South Africa on the news today
Bullie's wearing the dress...
Yes I do- riding the beast of Brenin and the freeminers and verderers trails. along with me, my girlfriend and my step dad (and several of my mates when we were in brenin too). We are a very active family- we all bike and sail most weekends and we take our hobbies very seriously. I'm not even sure why I am telling you any of this. I will just let you all have your little rant on here and justify myself to STW instead. At the end of the day none of you have to buy from me and I don't really care what you think. Maybe some of you should just get out and ride more.
point to where you were touched
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so you are a busy A level student without enough time to check e-mails, you bike or sail most weekends and you work in a bike shop to afford all your bikes....did I miss anything out?
Maybe I've mis-read something but where in the rules does it say you can't make a profit?
Plenty of sponsored guys on here selling their old race kit that they were either given or paid trade for making 'HUGE PROFIT' shock horror. If somebody is willing to pay the price your asking then its their call not for others to critise how much they are selling and for how much.
Maybe I've mis-read something but where in the rules does it say you can't make a profit?"The Classified Forum is not a place where users can trade parts bought elsewhere and then sold at a profit."
If i've bought elsewhere and used said parts for a period of time (x) does that count?
And if that's the case I know loads of forum memebers who don't giveaway kit!
I really don't give a crap either way but I would like to know 1 thing, why the change of username?
And if we are to believe you, that you as a student just happen to have upwards of 10 high end bikes from your family to sell, and you need the money to fund your dental treatment, why are you still actively buying bikes?
So you are under 19 and in full time Educaton (doing A levels)
Happy days..... Free Dental Care for You !!
No need to sell your bikes to pay a £1750 bill 🙄
1-0 to mojoman I believe. You're serve onceinalifetime