Wrist pain: talk to me about CBD oil

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  • Wrist pain: talk to me about CBD oil
  • aphex_2k
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    Sore wrist, predominantly left from muay thai (yes properly strapped etc). Been sore for weeks now. It’s been x-rayed and allk good, soft tissue damage. Just doesn’t seem to be getting any better. GP said rest / RICE and gave me a script for celecoxib but it’s not helping all that much at all, if any. So I’m looking into proper CBD oil as a) I’m a bit of a hippy and like the think the answer to everything isn’t a little white tablet from big pharma with heaps of side effects and b) it actually sounds like it’s effective. I know the question has cropped up in various guises so just thought I’d ask here. Any one use CBD oil for pain management?

    BTW if you are just going to bang on about getting stoned or something like that, just step away from the keyboard eh?

    Ta

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    Ok, this may help or it may not.

    ive been in Switzerland for the past couple of years and was taking cbd oil just to try it. I have trouble sleeping from time to time ( been awake since 2am , now it’s 6am )

    i also happened to be riding around 9,000 miles a year so pretty much full on and putting pressure on my body.

    the Swiss oil was 1% thc where as the max in the uk and Europe is 0.2% max. Basically you aren’t going to get stoned off it but the Swiss stuff does give the hint of a tickle 🙂.

    obvioulsy the key part was the cbd content which is really down to you trusting the seller and manufacturers not to bull crap you. It isn’t regulated so they can say what they like about % content and get away with it.

    i found a lab that produced proper 20% oil which was about £70 for 30 ml . It helped me ,greatly. I found I slept well for the first time in ages. This made me a nicer person to  be around and also helped with my general mood.

    Most of my niggling pain issues eased but this could simply be down to the sleeep.

    who knows. But I do know that it helped me,directly or indirectly and now I’m living in Dublin I  find it nearly impossible to get anything like the quality that I could get from the Swiss.

    im summery. If you can get good stuff it’s worth a try. If you can’t trace the lab for test results it could well be hemp seed cooking oil.

    we bought some for our boxer dog, Cooper. he started getting arthritis in his front leg. so we got some from holland and barratt, and even bean freaks. it takes about a month, to notice any changes, but his limping has gone. obviously he can’t tell us, but he walks fine now. having spoke to other dog owners, they use it too. give it a go.

    billyboy
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    No idea about the oil but…..

    I solved my wrist pain by cutting my bars down from 760 to 710.

    Mine was wrist pain plus tingling in the arms, and it mainly came on when I was riding. Initially I was ok with 760 and did a couple of 12 hour days riding without any such pain, but after a year or so it was getting me every time I rode and staying with me for a while post-ride. I twigged what was causing it when I rode an older bike with 680 bars and experienced no pain.

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    I’ve no axe to grind either way but I’m not sure that even its greatest fans would suggest that CBD oil is a good answer for short term soft-tissue injury – or do they ??

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    Muay Thai wrist injury here too.

    Had it for years. Nothing helped. Couldn’t even handle one press-up because of the pain

    Started on CBD oil for anxiety but the biggest impact has been on my wrist. Pain completely gone.

    I ran out of CBD when I was on holiday for 3 weeks in the summer and the wrist pain came back. Took a couple of big doses of CBD when I got some and it disappeared in a day.

    Wonder stuff. I also get zero doms or post training pain. Big bike rides no longer wipe me out for days.

    I get mine from LoveCBD.org. I use the 300mg oil

    “The answer to everything isn’t a little white pill from big pharma”

    Much of the CBD oil you buy in Europe is generic white Chinese CBD powder stirred into food oil. Go on Alibaba, you can buy it by the kilo.

    Hob Nob
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    You know what, i’m going to buy a bottle to try some, for some post injury related pain.

    I made a real mess of my shoulder just over 18 months ago, and despite all the rehab, and endless appointments with various specialists, threats of surgery, etc i’m left with something that is probably 90%, but hurts, most of the time & have basically been told that’s as good as it will get. Combined with a knackered wrist & thumb from another accident from years ago – I figure what the hell. If it works, great, if it doesn’t, then i’ve lost a little bit of money.

    it’s got to be healthier than taking painkillers to ride my bike, if it does help.

    fossy
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    Seriously tempted myself. Had pain issues on-off for over 6 years – one post operative pain, then got my spine mangled by a car driver. Still in pain, and having tried the stuff the GP’s prescribe (horrible side effects and horrendous coming off them when you realise the side effects are bad and outweigh the pain).

    Main issues are sleep – tried OTC sleeping pills, and on Etoricoxib anti-inflamatory only now – I’m on a big dose, no side effects noticable, but I’d rather try something else.

    How long does 300mg spray last ?

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    The Holland and b stuff is shite. Too low level to really do anything in my experience. Aim for 10% as a minimum.

    P-Jay
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    I’m tempted too, I’ve been given diclofenac in the past and now naproxen from the GP for my pinned and plated left wrist.

    It’s worse in winter, but it’s basically 365 days a year low-level chronic plain with bouts of acute pain, enough to make me wince and this is coming from someone who has a note on his NHS file along the lines of “Patient has high tolerance for pain and discomfort that may mask symptoms”.

    I’m struggling to get my head around what I actually need though, on one hand my local pharmacy has a sign in the window offering 20% something, on the other I read about the stuff that Women and her Kid got stopped at Heathrow with the other month and needed a Home Office licence to get back, I assume they’re not the same thing.

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    Remember that oil is now available with a prescription from your doc. This is the high lever cbd – the good stuff.

    P-jay. They were arrested as the THC content was higher than the 0.2% legal limit for the uk.

    ton
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    I am going to try cbd oil. for arthritis. just need to know what to buy.

    anyone point me it the right direction.

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    Lovecbd entourage oil helped a lot with my back pain, which isn’t why I bought it but a welcome bonus.

    Hob Nob
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    Aim for 10% as a minimum.

    Well I made the commitment (having looked on & off for probably the last few months) & just went for some & that’s what I picked – it seems to be about the lowest level ‘decent’ stuff you can get. Now is the time of year my wrist starts to play up & i’m training to get my shoulder stronger anyway, went for the oil, so will see what happens I guess.

    Nothing ventured & all that.

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    anyone point me it the right direction

    http://Www.Lovecbd.org

    The £18.99 bottle

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    Just ordered summa that. Sposed to help sleep, I heard. Bloody need that at the mo.

    chvck
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    I’ve been tempted to try some for various MS related ailments. I was listening to a Podcast today about it as it happens, however it was US based. It bought up issues around regulation, in that there isn’t any in the states so companies can put whatever they want on the lab results really, I’m unsure how much this holds true here? The evidence on it working is lacking and largely anecdotal (it’s rather illegal at federal level in the US for a start so difficult to get studies), but it does seem to work really well for some people although likely some placebo effect for some other people too.

    I think I’ll try some of that above from lovecbd.

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    Lovecbd. I personally wouldn’t bother buying that. It’s no better than Holland and b.

    10% CBD Oil Organic UK (1000mg in 10ml) – 4-month supply

    Looks ok but higher cost. They reccomend 2 drops a day. I took around 5 drops 3 times a day. What worked for me an others on here may not work for you.

    aphex_2k
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    Some excellent replies, thanks!

    BoardinBob – we do push ups on knuckles (wrapped hands of course) which is meant to help build wrist strength. I’ve never been all that good at push ups but this doesn’t seem to cause me much of a problem. I really notice it doing left crosses and sometimes it prevents me putting effort in just in case I get that twinge of pain. Got a bag at home and spend time on my technique as there’s sod all point going full on if the technique isn’t there. I find the more tired I am, the less I pivot on my front left and turn my hip.

    Yesterday morning my wrist was killing me, but class last night was fine and I don’t feel too bad today (apart from my shin as I forgot my shin pads and I paired up with another guy who also forgot pads – serves me right!)

    Might add I’m in Australia and I figured the Holland and Barrett stuff was possibly not the better kind. Hard to find a supplier that looks trustworthy as I’m not entirely sure how regulated this is in Oz. If you believe the marketing hype then it’s all good stuff. It’s not all that expensive but I don’t want to buy crap that won’t work.

    I found this place which appears to be local and I’ve sent an email to see if I can blag a sample. Will talk to my GP and see what she says, she’s pretty good..

    Home

    If you Google “hemp products office of drug control” it will tell you what is legal in Australia

    There are experimental crops being grown for high THC medications but they’re not allowed to be sold on the open market obviously

    aphex_2k
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    I can get high THC products no drama. … Wasn’t quite what I was looking for though. I accept there are certain benefits to THC but I’m looking at reputable cbd products either otc or prescription if need be.

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    Chvck said “I’ve been tempted to try some for various MS related ailments”

    Chvck, is you haven’t already, it would be great for you to talk to Andy McKenna from Go where Scotland

    Have a look at his website http://www.stokedonms.org.uk

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    Lovecbd. I personally wouldn’t bother buying that

    They do stronger stuff than the one i linked to. Personally I’ve had great results with the 300mg stuff. Tried the 500mg one month and felt no additional benefit. It’s significantly better than the H&B stuff which I’ve also tried.

    Love CBD have their lab results up

    Love CBD Lab Results

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    Yes, there will be very little difference between 3 or 5%. 10 is the sweet spot for cost I think. I used 20% just because it’s was the strongest reliability available from a tracked source and thought if I didn’t feel anything from the highest strength it was probably not worth persevering. After experimenting for two years I think 10% is worth taking but anything less not so due to the cost vs benefit.

    obviously in just I’m my opinion.

    regenesis
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    Anyone think it’s ironic that there’s an advert for Voltarol Pain Relif Gel at the end of this thread….

    CBD oil as a) I’m a bit of a hippy and like the think the answer to everything isn’t a little white tablet from big pharma with heaps of side effects

    Get this, anything that has a pharmacological effect has sides – including CBD oil – just because it’s not produced by western big pharma doesn’t mean it won’t have any.

    Some research indicates that the use of CBD oil may trigger a number of side effects, including:

    Anxiety
    Changes in appetite
    Changes in mood
    Diarrhea
    Dizziness
    Drowsiness
    Dry mouth
    Nausea
    Vomiting

    There’s also some concern that use of CBD oil may lead to increased levels of liver enzymes (a marker of liver damage or inflammation).

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    Interesting…

    Pre- CBD oil

    Anxiety – yep, caused by TIA, AF, TIA meds
    Changes in appetite – see above
    Changes in mood – see above.
    Diarrhea – see above
    Dizziness – AF
    Drowsiness – constantly after TIA meds
    Dry mouth – no, will see
    Nausea – no

    Vomiting – no

    See if there’s much difference!

    aphex_2k
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    Ray I’d rather take cbd oil than nurofen. Hands down. No problem. Every medication has a side effect for someone. Wonder who funded the research into all of these cbd side effects…..?

    Ray I’d rather take cbd oil than nurofen. Hands down. No problem. Every medication has a side effect for someone. Wonder who funded the research into all of these cbd side effects…..?

    Epidolex who market it as an FDA regulated drug – you have to perform clinical trials and document and investigate side effects before you can get market approval.

    But yeah, something something big pharma – **** the man, am I right?

    Oh and that lovecbd lab testing – I wouldn’t trust it. The lab is some shitty Czech lab without any kinds of accreditation or external auditing.

    Have fun putting shit in your body that you don’t even know what it is or whether it’s been produced to a quality that is safe for human use.

    Are any of these produced under license to GMP standards or at least QC’d by GMP compliant labs?

    Cannabis Oil

    These cannabinoid-rich extracts can pose risks to patients who consume them. The exact composition of different available oils is frequently unknown. They are not checked for quality by external certified laboratories for the presence of residual solvents, or contaminants such as microbes, pesticides, heavy metals or mycotoxins. The lack of standardisation of both the cannabis starting material and oils makes it impossible to fully evaluate their therapeutic effects over time and, hence, their medicinal value.

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    Don’t hold back now Tom!

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    Are any of these produced under license to GMP standards or at least QC’d by GMP compliant labs?

    The Swiss ones are but I’m yet to find anything in the uk.

    i worked with one of the big pharma companies in the uk on Qc, so am fussier than most when it comes to things I consume.

    aphex_2k
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    yeah, something something big pharma – **** the man, am I right?

    No. Absolutely wrong. As someone who has relied on insulin for the best part of 30 years, I quite like big pharma. Also as someone who has helped people with mental health issues for 15 years, big pharma works for me in that sense. What I don’t like is pain relief meds that mess up my stomach. I do like pain medication that works with comparatively fewer horrible side effects.

    It’s staggering that we’ve sleepwalked into this culture where there is so much mistrust of experts that people would rather buy untested, unregulated drugs on the internet than do what their doctor recommends.

    People are recommending that others bulk buy pharmaceuticals from AliBaBa. Just let that sink in. Mindboggling.

    aphex_2k
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    Noone was suggesting ordering a 25kg drum of dubious white powder from alibaba. We are talking about cbd oils which are not untested and do have some very positive reports when compared to prescribed pain relief. No medication or remedy is utterly free from side effects  but as I said, I personally would rather take a reputable cbd oil over nurofen, celebrex or diclofrnac. I’m not about to import kilos of powder from China, but I would give a good quad lity cbd oil or spray a try.

    You do have to wonder why certain big pharma are against the benefits of cannabis based products yet working on synthetic cannabis alternatives…..

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    Had a spray yesterday eve. Same shit night’s sleep as ever, just with a gob that tasted like an ashtray 😏

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    Trying this next from that alibaba site:

    https://m.alibaba.com/product/50011573713/80-20-Cow-ox-cattle.html

    80/20 Cow/ox/cattle Gallstones for sale

    Yum yum!

    r
    Noone was suggesting ordering a 25kg drum of dubious white powder from alibaba. We are talking about cbd oils which are not untested and do have some very positive reports when compared to prescribed pain relief. No medication or remedy is utterly free from side effects but as I said, I personally would rather take a reputable cbd oil over nurofen, celebrex or diclofrnac. I’m not about to import kilos of powder from China, but I would give a good quad lity cbd oil or spray a try.

    They are untested. They are not produced to GMP standards and are therefore not QC’d properly or produced to a high quality standard that can be evidenced through a paper trail.

    Do you know why GMP was introduced? Because a long time ago, well meaning pharmaceutical companies killed a lot of people on multiple occasions through relatively minor mistakes or shortcuts during manufacturing.

    I work in QA, my life is basically spent looking out for mistakes or idiots taking shortcuts that might kill patients. You’d be surprised at how many mistakes competent professionals make.

    Now do you think that Mr Jakub Novak who couldn’t be bothered setting up a proper pharmaceutical manufacturing company but couldn’t quite be arsed to deal with the risks of illicit drug manufacture and smuggling, can be arsed to produce your material to a high standard – that is free from contamination?

    You do have to wonder why certain big pharma are against the benefits of cannabis based products yet working on synthetic cannabis alternatives…..

    No you don’t, pharmaceutical companies are marketing CBD oil that is manufactured under license – just not in the UK yet. Did you ever notice how many pharmaceutical drugs are actually derived from natural occurring compounds?

    a good quad lity cbd oil or spray a try.

    What defines good quality?

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