Why have bonuses?

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So, you haven’t actually read the thread then TJ? Shame as you try so hard to be intelligent.

Just makes me laugh jealous – teachers and nurses “think yourselves lucky you have a job” Never mind the cuts in take home and deferred benefits. Apparently thats all the motivation they need to give of their best

Banker – “here – have this large sack of cash to motivate you as you will not do your job properly without it”

FTFY

Jealous? Nope – not my style.

It just amuses me the complete lack of any rational reason why bonuses are the right way for one group but not another.

Now the personal attacks start as the paucity of the argument for bonuses is shown up

It just amuses me the complete lack of any rational reason why bonuses are the right way for one group but not another.

And their lies your problem. But, probably not worth discussing any further as I get the impression that you don’t want to understand.

Yes LHS – thats your problem.

No one has made any sort of rational case for bonuses being needed for one group but not for another.

Now the personal attacks start as the paucity of the argument for bonuses is shown up

where are these attacks TJ?

No one has made any sort of rational case for bonuses being needed for one group but not for another.

You are aware that people respond to different motivations, aren’t you?

Unfortunately, motivating people is far from an exact science. There’s no secret formula, no set calculation, no work sheet to fill out. In fact, motivation can be as individual as the employees who work for you. One employee may be motivated only by money. Another may appreciate personal recognition for a job well done. Still another may work harder if she has equity in the business.

No one has made any sort of rational case for bonuses being needed for one group but not for another.

Plenty of people have explained this to you but you are unwilling to listen, and I generally think you will always be unwilling to listen as you are pre-dispositioned to loath anything related to the private sector. No criticism, we are just all wired up differently.

No criticism, we are just all wired up differently.

And please don’t behave like a spoilt child by trying to call any criticism any form of personal attack, it’s a bit of an insult to our collective intelligences, or follow your convictions and report the offending posts.

Really LHS – where – cos there is no rational explanation this thread.

Go on – just for my amusement explain it again.

Teh question is in two parts:

Why do teachers not need bonuses to motivate them to do their best at work whereas bankers need bonuses to motivate then to do their best?

Why is it acceptable for bankers to not perform at their best for their basic salary but for teachers it is not?

If you are for introducing performance driven pay across the public sector I am all for it.

Are you?

TandemJeremy, from what I can see in the link above – different people have different motivatons. I understand that teachers are not just motivated by money. There are other people who are motivated by money.Some people are motivated by power others by fame.
I think it has been explained quite clearly and simply so even a thick git like me can understand.

And why do unions reject performance related pay awards for teachers so they can’t be incentivised like bankers?

Why do teachers not need bonuses to motivate them to do their best at work whereas bankers need bonuses to motivate then to do their best?

Why is it acceptable for bankers to not perform at their best for their basic salary but for teachers it is not?

You’re taking the pi55 now, aren’t you TJ, even you aren’t that obtuse.

Don – care to make an attempt at answering the questions or do you simply make the personal attacks?

Why are you always banging on about personal attacks TJ? Argue your point or dont. You were shouting racism at me last week which was utter garbage as well.

Be a grown up for goodness sake.

Don – care to make an attempt at answering the questions or do you simply make the personal attacks?

When you answer my question, what personal attacks? Laughing because you choose to ignore stuff that doesn’t fit with your ideas. Re read the thread, you’ll find the answers in there. Turn of the killfile first as maybe you will have missed something.
Bless you sweetheart.

Mcboo -Is that intentional irony?

TJ – I’ve already pointed out that there has been clear efforts to try and introduce a bonus scheme for teachers.

The headmasters are for it
The Government is for it
I’d be happy to put money that the parents are for it
Even the Teachers are for it

Who’s against it?

Your mates in the union, thats who!

Wonder why 🙄

Don simon.

don simon – Shame as you try so hard to be intelligent.

LHS – Member

Just makes me laugh jealous

don simon – Member

even you aren’t that obtuse.

don simon – Bless you sweetheart.

mcboo

Be a grown up for goodness sake.

don simon

Some people don’t have the ability to see it like that though.

and so on – and still no answer to the question.

Mcboo -Is that intentional irony?

You have now reached to point where you can not add anything positive to the thread except trying to wind people up. Please re-read and try to learn something, you’d be surprised.
You have simply sat there trolling and asking questions without proposing solutions, dismiss anything constructive said by anyone else and when you run out of destructive argument cry the I’m being bullied card. Grow up hombre if you want people to respect you. If you think that those are personal attacks, best you stop calling people fool then and learn to MTFU.
Out.

Because the unions object to performance related pay.

i’m not gunna read the thread, but its got enough pages for me to assume this will apply somehow:

Don Simon – I have read the thread. No one has proposed a rational answer to the questions I have posed. If they have please quote them

I amm not crying I am being bullied – I am laughing at they way people like yo resort to insults when they have no argument left.

A brief synopsis philc.

It just goes round in circles, sometimes a different circle but nonetheless always in circles that will never end.

don simon best you stop calling people fool then

Please post a quote where I called someone “fool” the name calling is all from you

I take it you are unable to answer the questions I asked?

Because the unions object to performance related pay

Wonder Why?

I mean, TJ’s here telling us that it so just so unfair that heachers and nurses don’t get a bonus, but when the unionista’s get offered one, they turn it down… Maybe because they realise that the ones that are likely to get the bonus, are the ones who knuckle down and do their work, rather than the work shy union reps and barrack room lawyers like TJ 😉

Zulu-Eleven
I mean, TJ’s here telling us that it so just so unfair that heachers and nurses don’t get a bonus,

Really? where have I said that? Could you please post a quote?

This is the question I have asked that no one has answered

Why do teachers not need bonuses to motivate them to do their best at work whereas bankers need bonuses to motivate then to do their best?

Why is it acceptable for bankers to not perform at their best for their basic salary but for teachers it is not?

No one has proposed a rational answer to the questions I have posed. If they have please quote them

Where is your answer to the point that different people have different motivations?
Where is you answer to privatising the health service so you can run under the same conditions as banks?
Where is your answer to privatising schools for the above?
Where is you answer to changing the structure to giving Hestor a 2 million GBP fixed salary?
Where is your answer to the suggestion that teachers and health workers are put under time and motion studies?
Where is your answer to the fact that the unions block these studies?
Where are your suggestions for solutions?
Simply not asking the questions then crying that people don’t answer you questions is quite pathetic, isn’t it? (Pathetic isn’t an attack because I’ve seen TJ use it).

Please post a quote where I called someone “fool” the name calling is all from you

Previous threads. 🙄

Don – is that supposed to be an answer to the questions I have asked?

Is that supposed to be an answer to his questions?

TJ,

Within most organisations you will have set pay-grades, where most likely, in general on those pay grades people will be paid within about 5% of each other.

Now before you jump to conclusions this could be in pretty much any industry.

1. Common across all industries is that inevitably you get people who will do the bare minimum but get paid the same amount of money as some of their peers who are out to go above any beyond. This is proven to be very demotivating to those high performers. So what is the incentive to work harder? Why should the high performers continue to put that extra work in when they aren’t getting any more?

2. Alongside all this, a company will have financial and strategic objectives each year to meet, whether its growth, cost savings, acquisitions, profit margin, health, safety….. you get the picture. The success of the company meeting these objectives is down to the employees and in turn would usually mean that those employees need to meet their own personal objectives in order to perform at the level that is required by the company. But what incentive is their for the employee to change their behaviours and how they work? They get paid the same either way so why not just do the bare minimum? Also, why should improve their performance for the company to earn more money when they won’t see any of it themselves?

3. Alongside this, in many industries you will have specialists, outstanding performers who can turn around a companys fortunes whether it is with unique designs, new technology, outstanding financial acumen, incredible inter-personal skills, wealth of knowledge… you get the point. So how do you attract them to your company? Large salary? Maybe, but how do you guarantee that they will perform if you pay them up front? How do you guarantee that they will provide the benefits you require?

Answer to all 3 are measurable objectives / goals / milestones / results, with an incentive attached to them.

What an unusual thread 😀 😀 😀 !!!!

Why is it acceptable for bankers to not perform at their best for their basic salary but for teachers it is not?

Nobody is claiming that it is – I’ll go further and say that its not acceptable – In fact I think that opinion on the thread is pretty unanimous that Teachers and Bankers and a whole myriad of other workers should have access to a performance related bonus scheme, in addition to their basic pay, to reward exceptional performance 😀

The only person arguing against this, is you TJ!

Tell me, is that because you’re worried that if they introduced it for nurses, it would be the others getting the bonus, and TJ would lose out 😉

LHS I understand that However that does not explain why this motivation by bonus does not work with such people as teachers nor why its acceptable for these people ( the bonus receivers) not to do their best work for their basic salary

LHS I understand that

I don’t think you do.

LHS – thats the argument for using bonuses and I understand and accept that.

It does however not answer the questions posed above.

Why do teachers not need bonuses to motivate them to do their best at work whereas bankers need bonuses to motivate then to do their best?

Why is it acceptable for bankers to not perform at their best for their basic salary but for teachers it is not?

Why do teachers not need bonuses to motivate them to do their best at work whereas bankers need bonuses to motivate then to do their best?

How does different people needing different motivations NOT answer the question?

Why do teachers not need bonuses to motivate them to do their best at work whereas bankers need bonuses to motivate then to do their best?

You’re arguing a straw man TJ

Teachers Bonuses, great idea! Nurses Bonuses, great idea!

Teachers need bonuses to motivate them to do their best work

There, we’ve said it!

Bring it on, everyone’s happy with the concept – us evil right wingers are more than happy for the best teachers to be rewarded accordingly.

We’re all for it!

Offered and ignored on page 4, Z-11, twice infact as he’s just re-read the thread.

Teachers should not have bonuses when put on bonuses pupil results go down . Bankers should not have bonuses as they make poorer investment decisions when they factor their own short term gains into their equations. Bonuses are a recipe for failure.

Employee participation and sharing in profit does work in small to medium companies.