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After a recent incident with a car driver I'm wondering what the safest way to deal with a driver who has decided to get out of his car to 'sort you out'. In my case there was probably a bit of blame on both sides to cause the problem but I don't really want to get into a big description about what led to him stopping and getting out of his car.
What I'm really wondering is what the best way to keep yourself safe is. Most of the time the opportunity to just ride away is there but what I'm worried about is that he could get back in his car, catch you up, and just drive into you. Or if he finds a brick or something else to throw at the back of your head as you ride away.
My feeling is that it's best to just wait for him to come at you and deal with whatever it is he's going to do, whether it's to rant and rave or attack you. In my case the guy came up shouting and tried to push me. I just stood my ground, locked my arm, and leant forward pushing my palm into his chest while shouting "Back the **** off!" IME this will stop most people who are trying to push you using their arms. As it was, he looked like this took him by surprise a bit so he did back off and just carried on shouting for a while. Then he got back in his car and drove off.
My thinking is that once a driver is out of his car he doesn't have a 2 ton weapon to use but then he could have a knife, bat, or even a gun. Or there could be more than one of them. In my case there were two of them in the car but the passenger was his daughter who looked like she was maybe 4 or 5 🙄
Leg it - every time. I do / have got into arguments with car drivers but if they look like stopping and getting out of the car I am out of there - preferably where they cannot follow. Onto pavements, down one way streets or whatever
Don't get into the argument in the first place? Accept that some drivers are cocks, do cockish things, and get on with it.
Get your retaliation in first...either a sucker punch or my preferred option of a swift kick in the balls. Best not take amy chances I say :0)
as with most things, prevention is better than cure so ride sensibly and don't do anything that could antagonise potential nutters. if it's completely unprovoked then you have a confirmed nutter so fleeing ASAP would be the favourite option!
njee20 - Member
Don't get into the argument in the first place? Accept that some drivers are cocks, do cockish things, and get on with it.
^^This^^
I suspect your answer is hidden in there somewhere.BruceWee - Member
I don't really want to get into a big description about what led to him stopping and getting out of his car.
A Zefal frame-fit pump with an iron bar secreted inside is helpful.
Otherwise, my best advice would be to remember to shift onto the lower chainring, then pick your bike up by the saddle and the bars and jab him just beneath the nostrils with your big chainring.
If you were on a bike then this is different.
It is funny, the vast majority of people think they can get away with being extremely rude from the saftey of their metal box on wheels. As soon as someone steps out the car then this all goes out the window.
The answer is to not be rude or argue with people in cars or if you do, be prepared to get out and speak to them face to face (and risk physical confrontation)
Being in a car does not give you the right to act like a prick, but then again being on a bike does not give you the right either.
Sometimes I find it hard to follow my own advice.
Get off bike and give him a slap - don't take that crap. If he's prepared to get out of his car, then he's obviously in the mood.
Unless he's a big bloke and looks a bit mental - then leg it. 😀
Kind of agree with prezet - however, it all totally depends on the circumstances.
If it's my fault (ha!) I'd apologise, just as I'd expect a driver to do. It always completely defuses a situation.
If it's their fault, they've put me in danger, I'll probably fly at them, I get pretty wound up about people trying to kill me, strangely.
I had a weird bloke stop and get out of his car once - he'd cut me up on a corner and almost knocked me off - he stopped and got out cos I shouted "C0CK!". As we fronted eachother a copper drove out of the jnctn right next to us, asked me if all was ok and told the driver to go! Pretty funny. (edit) yeah, he was weird cos he couldn't look me in the eye was saying stuff and looking at the ground, anywhere but at me. I think he'd expected me to scarper in fear when he stopped, not ride up to him.
it depends on how confindent you are. myself personally would square up back and never back down. i no thats probaly wrong, but i belive in an eye for an eye. usually most "bullys" think most people will cower and not react, but reacting maybe the surprise which defuses the situation, but if its not, you have to be prepared to cross the line, which comes down to how confindent you are....
[i]If you were on a bike then this is different.
It is funny, the vast majority of people think they can get away with being extremely rude from the saftey of their metal box on wheels. As soon as someone steps out the car then this all goes out the window.
The answer is to not be rude or argue with people in cars or if you do, be prepared to get out and speak to them face to face (and risk physical confrontation)
Being in a car does not give you the right to act like a prick, but then again being on a bike does not give you the right either.
Sometimes I find it hard to follow my own advice.[/i]
This is pretty much exactly the way I feel.
From near miss to him getting out the car took between 5 and 10 seconds. I was just having one of those rides where I'd had two near misses already (both times drivers seemingly doing the 'look but not see' thing when pulling out so my adrenaline was up and my temper got the better of me. Try not to let it happen but sometimes it does. As it was a loud "HEY!" from me was what kicked it off.
I had a weird bloke stop and get out of his car once - he'd cut me up on a corner and almost knocked me off - he stopped and got out cos I shouted "C0CK!"
Doesn't sound weird. If you'd not called him a cock he'd have not stopped. Life's too short. People seem to expect to be able to sink to the drivers level with no retaliation.
unleash your penis, men find it very difficult to keep shouting at you and get close enough to physically assault you if you're spinning your cock around like a helicopter. screaming "BUUUUDGIEEEEEE THE LITTLE HELICOPTERRRRRRRRRRRR!" adds the the effect.
it depends on how confindent you are. myself personally would square up back and never back down. i no thats probaly wrong, but i belive in an eye for an eye. usually most "bullys" think most people will cower and not react, but reacting maybe the surprise which defuses the situation, but if its not, you have to be prepared to cross the line, which comes down to how confindent you are....
In that case I hope you fight better than you spell.
I'm 6' 3", 15.5 stone and played rugby for the best part of 20 years so I'm used to getting knocked about and taking the odd punch. Regardless, if they're way smaller they know something I don't so I leg it. If they're bigger I try to make alot of noise (works with bears apparently) and then leg it...
...basically it's not really worth the risk, there's no ref on a roadside.
Luckily it doesn't happen often.
Doesn't sound weird. If you'd not called him a cock he'd have not stopped. Life's too short. People seem to expect to be able to sink to the drivers level with no retaliation.
I've shouted much worse - only because these people drive like idiots. If they want to stop and get out, then so be it.
Had a taxi driver do it a few months ago, pulled out on me at a roundabout because he was to impatient for me to go past. Once I he him know how I 'felt' he came after me, pulled in front and got out. Immediately I got off, and fronted up - in the end he ended up getting back in his car and almost apologising.
No way will I take that from other road users. Be it car, motorbike or bicycle. Drive like a c*nt, expect to be treated like one.
[i]unleash your penis, men find it very difficult to keep shouting at you and get close enough to physically assault you if you're spinning your cock around like a helicopter. screaming "BUUUUDGIEEEEEE THE LITTLE HELICOPTERRRRRRRRRRRR!" adds the the effect.[/i]
You know what, I'm defiantly doing that next time. Seriously
I think if a driver cuts you up / puts your life in danger than you have to let them know - forcefully if needed. But don't ever stop / get off your bike - leg it if they come out of the car
i hope that no ovulating females read this, such unbridled manliness can only result in unwnated pregnancy.
In that case I hope you fight better than you spell.
Generally I find that as an indicator of fighting prowess, ability to spell is not big factor.
I've shouted much worse - only because these people drive like idiots. If they want to stop and get out, then so be it.Had a taxi driver do it a few months ago, pulled out on me at a roundabout because he was to impatient for me to go past. Once I he him know how I 'felt' he came after me, pulled in front and got out. Immediately I got off, and fronted up - in the end he ended up getting back in his car and almost apologising.
No way will I take that from other road users. Be it car, motorbike or bicycle. Drive like a c*nt, expect to be treated like one.
The internet hardmen are here already! That's a great mentality, but what do you do when the driver doesn't get out, he just mows you down? All because you had to look hard and insult him. Calling them names doesn't tell them they've done wrong, you could just shout "you cut me up, that's terrible driving", but I'll bet people don't.
Tandemjeremy: Leg it - every time. I do / have got into arguments
really!!?
Very occasionally when I am so wound up I no longer am my usual reasonable and placid self 🙂
In that case I hope you fight better than you spell.
sorry, did'nt realise it was a spelling test !!
The internet hardmen are here already
And I see the PC people have arrived too.
Living in a land where fear of every driver 'mowing' you down - it's fine, if you want to let drivers cut in too close to you, cut you up, or knock you off - and your only response will be once of "oh dear chap, please don't do that again". That may be the fluffy little world you want to live in - but I'd rather let them know they're idiots - because with your response, they really won't give a sh*t.
This kind of behaviour is another reason why we should be increasing Police numbers out and about, as well as stopping burgling scrotes walking around neighbourhoods. Speed cameras don't do anything to stop [non speed related] bad driving and road rage.
tbh I'd pull my seat post out of the frame and beat them round the head with the saddle. While I have my penis out to distract them! 😀
[i]Doesn't sound weird. If you'd not called him a cock he'd have not stopped. Life's too short. People seem to expect to be able to sink to the drivers level with no retaliation.[/i]
"Sink to the drivers level"? What? Did I ignore the fact that he was another road user and put him in danger? No. Hardly the same thing shouting something. Its instinctive you know - I think drivers should know they are being cocks so I tell them. Why should they just get away with it?
[i]"you cut me up, that's terrible driving"[/i] 😆 do you do much road riding? They hear "You cu..!" 😆
Cameraphone is always useful in such situations.
[url= http://road.cc/content/news/39588-bexley-video-attacker-sentenced ]That nob end was prosecuted and paid £600 for his attack.[/url]
In that case I hope you fight better than you spell.
sorry, did'nt realise it was a spelling test !!
**didn't 😉
Kiss and make up.
I recommend the Glasgae Kiss
😈
Living in a land where fear of every driver 'mowing' you down - it's fine, if you want to let drivers cut in too close to you, cut you up, or knock you off
I don't live in fear in the least, I suspect I do more road miles than many on here (including riding into central London), but I'm not naive enough to think that screaming obscenities at them will stop them doing it again.
If someone cuts me up I can take evasive action and get on with my ride, or I can shout obscenities and risk a confrontation I can't be arsed to have (only to run away scared as most are advising), which will just serve to make me angry. What's the point?
People are advocating abusing car drivers, but then running away when they retaliate. If you want to make a difference get video of them doing it and do something with it.
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Sounds like you all live a horrible life commuting and you should move to the countryside
What I do is shout at them as they cut me up - in the hope that they will give me more room. I will sometimes remonstrate with them afterwards if they have failed to notice me as is common. However thats the he end of it.
A loud "OI!!" as they cut me up. If they continue with the manoeuvre then if I get the opportunity a " leave me some frikking room" then cycle off. if they get angry or attempt to remonstrate further laugh in their face and ride off. Occasionally the impatient overtaker that you pass again in traffic a bit down the road I give them a wave and a smile as I ride past them again
Make sure it doesn't spoil your day by getting angry, make sure they know that they have been stupid.
Sounds like you all live a horrible life commuting and you should move to the countryside
+1
12 mile commute into the city centre of Newcastle/Gateshead of which only the last 1/2 mile is on the road.
I've yelled obscenities at idiot drivers quite a few times - but has it ever made them think about their actions? I suspect not. The trouble is, that we can't be expected to react calmly and rationally when we've just had our lives endangered.
that video is shocking....
What ransos said. I also use a video camera on my bike.
[i]If someone cuts me up I can take evasive action and get on with my ride, or I can shout obscenities[/i]
Is there really a [i]choice[/i] between the two? Sorry bud, but your posts just don't hold up in the real world! 😉
Water bottle filled with nitromorse would be my weapon of choice if i was needlessly agro like most of you.. I cant really work out the commuters problem.. Its not as if you dont know idiots exist and that a lot of people cant drive and yet you get annoyed when this is prooved? Id have taken myself out of the horrid situation in the first place as the last thing id want is getting found dea in lycra on the side of a shit city road at 8am
Basically that. I see more examples of bad cycling while commuting than bad driving. I'd rather stay chilled and calm than get myself worked up - or cause someone else to get worked up and perhaps precipitate an accident.I'm pretty sure I've only once ever had words with a driver and that was of a bus that kept using the ASL.njee20 - Member
I don't live in fear in the least, I suspect I do more road miles than many on here (including riding into central London), but I'm not naive enough to think that screaming obscenities at them will stop them doing it again.If someone cuts me up I can take evasive action and get on with my ride, or I can shout obscenities and risk a confrontation I can't be arsed to have (only to run away scared as most are advising), which will just serve to make me angry. What's the point?
People are advocating abusing car drivers, but then running away when they retaliate. If you want to make a difference get video of them doing it and do something with it.
that video is shocking....
Yep, the driver punches like a girl. 🙂
What I find amusing about that is apparently the "CID investigation" got nowhere - despite a video, numberplate and a handful of eye witnesses.
Only when it gained a bit more publicity did they catch the guy.
i posted about a incident on here in the past.
a driver cut me up turning left, which caused me to jump onto the pavement.
i gave him the finger, he then reversed back to where i was stood.
he jumped out of the car and came running round to where i was stood, screaming that he was gonna ****I*g kill me.
when he was right in my face, i headbutted him square in the face.
he collapsed into a heap on the floor, crying like a baby.
if you invade someones space in a very threatening manner, be prepared to carry through your threat.
I see more examples of bad cycling while commuting than bad driving
Perhaps you should think about the consequences of bad cycling vs the consequences of bad driving.
druidhBasically that. I see more examples of bad cycling while commuting than bad driving
I suspect that is because you don't notice the bad car driving. I see more than every second car in the same city breaking traffic law, ignoring the highway code and generally driving badly. Breaking speed limits, illegally parking, not using indicators, coming too close to bikes, on their phones, not leaving safe stopping distances, stopping in the ASLs etc etc.
I think this is the difference between a car driver who cycles and a cyclist. the former is far more tolerant of bad driving
I do agree with you about not getting wound up by it all.
I think one thing that video shows is that if you do stop rather than cycle away then the first thing to do is get rid of the bike or at least have it between you and the attacker. That guy was straddling his bike and so was pretty much helpless when the mouth breather started swinging. If you do decide that you're standing your ground make sure you're ready to be attacked.
Another thing to think about is what you're wearing on your feet. A lot of cycling shoes have almost no grip while standing on tarmac so that will put you at a massive disadvantage. Luckily for me I was standing on grass when the guy came at me so that actually gave me an advantage since my shoes had deep treads and studs on the front.
[i]I'd rather stay chilled and calm[/i]
Oh, me too.. and I do when I'm not being endangered.
I'm always amazed by how invincible people seem to feel just because they are in a car.
I have a mate who makes me cringe everytime I get in the car with him driving- he's aggressive, angry, staring people out etc- basically acts like a bit of a tosser. He doesn't seem to realise that once he's stopped someone could just walk over, open his door and pound his face in. Or just put their fist through his side window. I think quite a few people are like this though, like normal rules somehow don't apply.
If I'm on my bike I tend not to get angry if someone drives badly but is just a sh*t driver. Rightly or wrongly I just see this as a fact of riding on roads.
It makes me seeth with anger if I feel someone has done it deliberately though- cutting in front with cm's to spare just for the sake of it or whatever. Luckily it hasn't happened very often though.
If one of the consequences of bad cycling is that it winds up other road users to an extent that they're encouraged to engage in fisticuffs on the Queens Highway, then it's hardly trivial.ransos - Member
> I see more examples of bad cycling while commuting than bad driving
Perhaps you should think about the consequences of bad cycling vs the consequences of bad driving.
Agreed Druidh - but then if car drivers don't realise they have put you in danger they will do it again.
Hence I will point out the error but not get involved in confrontations.
a significant amount of the incidents I see are not deliberate but the result of not considering the bike
If one of the consequences of bad cycling is that it winds up other road users to an extent that they're encouraged to engage in fisticuffs on the Queens Highway, then it's hardly trivial.
No-one is forcing the other road user to "engage in fisticuffs".
We're talking about how car drivers react when their idiocy is (forcefully) pointed out to them - so let's stick to the topic, eh?
It's a lose-lose situation. If the driver is more of a nutter than you, you're going to get hurt and minimal recompense if they're prosecuted. If you're more of a nutter than them, you'll get prosecuted.
The best thing is to stay calm but assertive. I've had discussions with drivers before, the last one ended with a cheery apology from the van driver in question after a tense standoff when he realised that a) he was in the wrong and b) I wasn't about to thump him.
If someone hits you, the goal is to ensure that any damage to your bike is made good and that the driver is prosecuted. If it's a near miss, then the goal is to ensure that it doesn't happen again.
I've had a habitual problem with one guy in a Honda 4x4 who drives far too close to me and has nearly swiped me by pulling in too soon after overtaking. A couple of weeks back he did this again, but after turning the next bend he discovered a set of roadworks were in place and he had to stop. I rode alongside and tapped on his window, politely - but very firmly - asking him to wind down his window for a chat. He gripped the wheel and stared ahead, refusing to make eye contact and hasn't made a nuisance of himself since.
I find thanking people for their 'advice' or 'courteous behaviour' is the best and most fun. It's non aggressive, can be very insulting and generally leads to smug self satisfaction.
If they get out and are massively aggressive, just be submissive and apologetic and make up some story about being confused as their driving actions and it was a mistake on your part. This makes them feel guilty as hell and they tend to apologise. Which is essentially what you want Result.
If you can catch them up, opening the passenger side rear door before riding off really pisses them off....
I find thanking people for their 'advice' or 'courteous behaviour' is the best and most fun. It's non aggressive, can be very insulting and generally leads to smug self satisfaction.
Tried that one last week, when an idiot nearly side-swiped me, doing 30+mph in a 20mph zone. Driver extended his middle digit in return. That's when I told him he was a ****. I did make sure I had an escape route first...
If you're more of a nutter than them, you'll get prosecuted.
I'm not sure about this. If a driver leaves the safety of his car and invades your personal space aggressively then even if he doesn't try to hit you this should be a fairly clear cut case of self defense. Even if there are no witnesses at all he'll have a hard time proving that you pulled him out of his car to deliver the beating he so rightly deserved.
Just ignore it, don't provoke them and move on. We all blow up, we are human. Unfortunately it happens and whilst bitterly frustrating, you'll feel better in yourself for not letting them ruin your day!
I've done a lit of martial arts including street self defence so can probably speak with some justification behind what I'm writing.
1)try to avoid getting into the situation
2) run away if you can (and you normally can)
3) if the above 2 don't work, hands up, palms out in a 'stop' type stance, shout at them
4) if they come close enough to touch, hurt, and I mean really hurt them. Make sure you do enough to be able to get away.
5) report to the police FIRST that you were attacked, you don't want to be defending!
6) await prosecution for not taking a beating
Generally I'm with TJ on this. Have a good old sout and disappear if it gets ugly (Although it never has for me. I reckon I can get scarier and swearier than most, and definately uglier!)
That said, I have kicked a car, from a motorbike.
My crime was to filter slowly nearly to the front of a queue up the middle of two stationary lanes, then becasue there was a transit in my way I couldn't get right to the front, so as we all turned right from the lights the bloke in the Passat behind me decided to not give me any room. And I mean NO ROOM. I was on Mrs PPs scabby old DT125 trallie, with L plates on, so I assume he thought I was a 17 year old who needed to be taught a lesson.... What lesson I really don't know!
I do admit to giving him the finger when he started to force me into the kerb, after we'd completed the turn, but my right hand was over his bonnet and my left over the pavement. I reckon I had 18in of road, and he was too close to the van for me to pull in front. Seriously. So I slowed down a tad and stamped on the top of his wing, as hard as I could. I left a footprint. Visably shocked, he then gave me enough room to slow right down and pull in behind him, and I turned off left and went on my way. The look on his missuses face in the passenger seat was priceless.
Agreed Druidh - but then [s]if car [/s] bad drivers [s]don't realise they have put you in danger they[/s] will do it again even if you shout obscenities at them.
FTFY.
There really is no need to be aggressive IMO, maybe I'm just a more chilled out person than most on here!
Dez you can say that my philosophy doesn't hold true in the real world, but I can assure you that it does. I've been in one (verbal) altercation this year when a friend thumped a car who was driving like a moron. Had he not done so the car would've continued up the road, our ride wouldn't have been interupted and we'd have not had death threats, and he'd not have had a full coke can thrown at him. He will still drive like a cock, it achieved absolutely nothing other than to antagonise the driver, who now has an even dimmer view of cyclists.
Calling them names doesn't tell them they've done wrong, you could just shout "you cut me up, that's terrible driving", but I'll bet people don't
Mine thend to be more sarcastic than that, such as: "don't mind me i will magically get out of your way" or i just shake my head. I try not to let any incident wind me up and it only happens in the mile or so arounfd work rather than anywhere in the other 14.
Just ignore it, don't provoke them and move on. We all blow up, we are human. Unfortunately it happens and whilst bitterly frustrating, you'll feel better in yourself for not letting them ruin your day!
The question is what to do when the driver is out of the car and coming at you. Do you try to find an escape route and risk the driver getting back in his car and chasing you down or throwing something at the back of your head? Or do you stand firm and try to stop the conflict turning violent or defend yourself of the driver is only interested in attacking you?
druidh - Member
> BruceWee - Member
> I don't really want to get into a big description about
> what led to him stopping and getting out of his car.
I suspect your answer is hidden in there somewhere.
Have been knocked off my bike twice in the last 12 months. " sorry mate, didn't see you " was the reply on both counts. Now have my 900 lumun light on full strobe even during the day. Filtering through some traffic at some lights the other day one of the drivers wound his window down and started complaining how bright my light was. " you saw me then?" I asked. " couldn't help not seeing you" he said. " mission accomplished" came my reply with a smile. With that he nodded in agreement, as in ok fare kop.
The question is what to do when the driver is out of the car and coming at you. Do you try to find an escape route and risk the driver getting back in his car and chasing you down or throwing something at the back of your head?
Leg it - u turn / on the pavement / thru the traffic / downva pedestrian bit / whatever it takes.
njee20 perfectly put.
TandemJeremy - Member
Leg it - every time. I do / have got into arguments with car drivers but if they look like stopping and getting out of the car I am out of there - preferably where they cannot follow. Onto pavements, down one way streets or whatever
So, what do you do with the car your'e driving?
Leave it there?
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It's a lose-lose situation
Not always. (in the car) I had someone acting like a knob behind me earlier this year. I watched him pull up next to me at the lights and decided to see what he could do..... So I gave it the beans on amber and he lurched about a bit and I shot off to the next set of lights, giggling. He came flying past and cut in front of me, so I slowed right down and pulled in next to him again. This time he REALLY gave it the beans, and I just let him go (He was in a lot faster car, so I knew it was pointless) satisfied at his earlier stupidity, only to have a front row seat of him being totally unable to turn left round the next roundabout, and go spinning into the central reserve in a shower of smoke and turf!! I slowed, saw he was OK, then tooted, waved out the window and drove off. I was absolutely peeing myself laughing! Pillock.
I don't drive a car 🙄
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Bruce wee - if they are getting out the car, then they are obviously going to try and abuse you. Keep moving and ignore them. If you stand your ground, you are going from a bad situation into a worse one. Simply ignore them and keep moving. I don't see how its going to escalate other than standing there waiting for some aggro?
The question is what to do when the driver is out of the car and coming at you
And the answer is to not get into that situation, as explained. Or if you've already done the stupid thing and got yourself into that situation; run away.
Leg it - u turn / on the pavement / thru the traffic / downva pedestrian bit / whatever it takes.
In my case I could have done this and it [i]probably[/i] would have been fine but it was a very open area and the road was big enough and quiet enough that if he really wanted to chase me down he could have. Even with pavements there's nothing to stop a driver mounting the pavement if he's crazy enough and if he's crazy enough to try to attack someone while his 4 year old daughter is in the back seat then you can't really tell what he's going to do.
Try not to be wearing road shoes when you get into an altercation as they can be quite slippy and you may like a bit silly when you slip whilst trying to throw a punch.
No matter how good you are at toe-to-toe I'd say diffuse the situation.
If its at the top point where the driver is climbing out then its fairly well escalated.
Who cares if you have to back down to diffuse? What if you punched him and he fell backwards and landed on the back of his skull? What if you came off better and witnesses came forward to say you assaulted the driver after he got out to tell you off?
Its just not worth it.
As for you the 50:50 aspect. I'd say you are riding possibly combatively as your feeling abit angry/grumpy? Calm down otherwise whats the point in riding to work for fitness- its stress that affects your heart ultimately.
Its seriously uncool when you see two blokes arguing over a motoring incident. No one comes out looking good. I remember seeing two blokes punching each other out on the hardshoulder of the M60 once and I thought 'what a couple of losers'.
Who cares? Calm down.
if they are getting out the car, then they are obviously going to try and abuse you. Keep moving and ignore them. If you stand your ground you are going from a bad situation into a worse one. If you ignore them and keep moving I don't see how its going to escalate other than standing there waiting for some aggro?
My thinking is that in some cases you can't runaway depending on the road you're on. They're faster than you and they have a 2 ton weapon to hit you with. If they are voluntarily going to give up that weapon then I think that levels the playing field.
And the answer is to not get into that situation, as explained
I did say that I try to do this all the time. Sometimes though I have a rush of blood to the head. Maybe it's because of my upbringing or genetics but the simple fact is that I'm human and sometimes make mistakes.
TandemJeremy - Member
I don't drive a car
Oh right, I could have sworn you where in a hire car the last time we met at Als' meet up..
🙂
Just to add - there will also be someone who can uppercut quicker than you can.
In addition some people don't stop the fight just because you might be on the floor. Why have a fractured-cheek bone, concussion etc just because of a stupid disagreement on the road escelatated?
This goes to everyone on here- If you genuinely feel alarmed about a drivers conduct consider a Section 59. Any member of the public can bring one of these and boy its going be more effective than slugging out isn't it?
http://www.fastcar.co.uk/04570735437292594850/what-is-a-section-59.html
In addition some people don't stop the fight just because you might be on the floor. Why have a fractured-cheek bone, concussion etc just because of a stupid disagreement on the road escelatated?
Absolutely, I like to think I can handle myself fairly well. I've done martial arts all my life and have been in a few scrapes when I was young and stupid. I'm not stupid enough now to think that I can win every fight or even the majority of fights I get into especially since I'm 5'6" and weigh 65kg.
I agree that the best thing to do is defuse the situation which is what I did by being on the aggressive side of assertive. the guy was about 5'10" and probably weighed about 100kg so the fact that I didn't back down at all seemed to take him by surprise and I think that's what defused the situation. Had I reacted as he expected and tried to apologise while he was trying to push me then I think he would have continued attacking me.
The fact that he had deliberately driven in such a way that if I hadn't jammed my brakes on he would have driven straight into the side of me told me that he wasn't afraid of using his car to injure me.
Edit: Just to add, I have a friend who had a taxi driver deliberately run him over. Luckily he was able to jump out of the way so it was just his bike but that's something that has always been in the back of my mind when it comes to dealing with drivers.
as i cannot fight/defend myself i will ride away as fast as my little legs can carry me.although luckily i have never had to face a situation like that (and hope i never have to)