[Closed] What to do if a driver gets out of the car to 'sort out' an argument?

Open the rear left passenger door
Leg it to somewhere cars can't go.

Once had someone chase me when I was riding a BMX. He was swinging a steering wheel lock around his head shouting "I'm going to f-in kill you" after I flipped the bird when he pulled out on a [url= http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=425518&Y=565497&A=Y&Z=120 ]roundabout[/url] in front of me.

He first tried to run me over, luckily I got on the pavement and passed a street sign just in time. Then he was out and running. I shot off down a back alley that luckily wasn't a dead-end and hid round the corner.

amazingly, he had wife and child in the car at the time.

unleash your penis, men find it very difficult to keep shouting at you and get close enough to physically assault you if you're spinning your cock around like a helicopter. screaming "BUUUUDGIEEEEEE THE LITTLE HELICOPTERRRRRRRRRRRR!" adds the the effect.

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You're not a very well little boy, are you Phil?

unleash your penis, men find it very difficult to keep shouting at you and get close enough to physically assault you if you're spinning your cock around like a helicopter. screaming "BUUUUDGIEEEEEE THE LITTLE HELICOPTERRRRRRRRRRRR!" adds the the effect.

I'm going to start cycling in stripper trousers, this is the best suggestion so far.

i gave him the finger, he then reversed back to where i was stood.
he jumped out of the car and came running round to where i was stood, screaming that he was gonna ****I*g kill me.

He was swinging a steering wheel lock around his head shouting "I'm going to f-in kill you" after I flipped the bird

Indeed. Has anyone actually ever got involved in such a situation without inciting it?

I don't really understand why people are so keen to insult the drivers, but not deal with the concequences, and no one's yet managed to give a coherent answer. It all comes across as cowardly bravado to me I must say.

The answer to this is quite simple. Grow a beard. I have a beard and no drivers have ever started trouble me. Here is why.

Men with beards.

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Men without beards.

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I rest my case

Depends what you mean by incite. To me a driver is inciting a situation if he has seen you and drives in such a way that you're given the choice of giving way or being run over. Anything you do after that is escalating the situation IMO and that's something completely different.

It seems to me that most of these situations could be avoided by the cyclist simply keeping calm and not escalating the situation in the first place

Grow a beard

I'm 34.
And I can't 🙁

i had an incodent witha car driver recently - i singnaled and over took a parked bus, as i was halfway around the bus i heard the 'big revs' of the car behind who then cut me up forcing me into teh parked bus - and i did the international w#anker gesture.
The driver then stopped 50yrds up and got out blocking me and started having a go, so i hopped onto the pavement to avoid him, he propmtly got back into his car and pulled out very quickly in front of the bus causing which caved in the side of his car!

The bus driver had seen what had happened earlier and the car driver got done on two counts of dangerous driving.

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Don't think. FEEL. It's like a finger pointing at the moon. Do not concentrate on the finger or you will miss all of the heavenly glory!

he propmtly got back into his car and pulled out very quickly in front of the bus causing which caved in the side of his car!

Ooooh I love rough justice stories like that. I hoped you stopped and gave witness details to the bus driver 😀

amazingly, he had wife and child in the car at the time.

Only once have I almost risen to an idiot in a car. We were side by side at lights. I think he thought we were racing (I was on the outside of the dual carriageway). Anyway he undertook me, slammed on, set off, slammed on - all the time nodding (and probably) smirking.

If I didn't have hora junior in the back I think I'd have jumped out and asked him what the bloody ell he was playing at. That is the only time Ive actually done this. At times like this you need some sort of relaxed and witty banter to put them down with.

I've calmed down a bit now and tend to restrict myself to a sad shake of the head or a half-hearted middle digit salute (just so the driver can realise I was unimpressed with them).

I used to be a lot more volatile and had several confrontations. Mostly because I think the car drivers tended to stereotype cyclists as kids so they expected to be able to give a stern talking to. Only to discover I was not a kid and knew the highway code, in detail.

But if it got violent the plan was always this - get off bike, grasp frame pump in my right hand and with my left arm use bike as a shield, having dropped the chain to the smallest ring.
Of course the only time I got close to a violent encounter was when I angrily flipped the bird, the battered car stopped and 4 burly builders got out. At which time sense kicked in and I hopped off-road and sprinted away.

"It seems to me that most of these situations could be avoided by the cyclist simply keeping calm and not escalating the situation in the first place. "

How calm do you feel when you've just been put in mortal danger through a reckless act by a motorist?

TandemJeremy: Leg it - every time. [s]I do / have got into arguments with car drivers but[/s] if they look like stopping and getting out of the car I am out of there - preferably where they cannot follow. Onto pavements, down one way streets or whatever

+1

Far better to pull alongside and say something like 'one day you'll pass your test' or 'in a hurry'?

If someone pulled alongside and said 'you ****ing dickhead' to you (almost anyone would raise to it) even if you are in the wrong.

TandemJeremy: Leg it - every time. I do / have got into arguments with car drivers but if they look like stopping and getting out of the car I am out of there - preferably where they cannot follow. Onto pavements, down one way streets or whatever

but then in the drivers head you've confirmed (to them, not me) that you're either in the wrong or a coward on a bike.

(Lets think how the knucklehead thinks)- someone in the wrong doesnt run off. He fights/stands his corner- so your reaffirming to him that he is a self-righteous prick of a driver who can do no wrong.

It's unwise to get involved with anyone who is sufficiently pissed off to leave their car and start a fight. I was cut up badly once while driving in Bracknell without thinking I gave the guy the finger. He blocked my way, got out of his car and came over. I got out and suggested that we go round the corner and settle things like men. We both got back in our cars and drove round the corner, he stopped, I didn't by the time he got his wits about him I was long gone.

Always best to run away as there is always someone bigger, stronger or simply with less to lose than me. My view is that fighting is the absolute last resort only to be used when cornered and without any other way out.

I've had the red mist descend a few times when someone has cut me up on the bike. I've never had anyone actually get out a car to confront me though. It is hard to be rational sometimeswhen people are endangering you.

Afterwards I always reflect that a more measured response would have been better. After all "Hey you ****ing ****er" is going to escalate the situation more then "Hey check your mirrors" or "Try looking next time"

peterpoddy, your two accounts make you out to be a massive nobber and just the kind of road user thats is more than likely going to put a cyclist at risk. No need to get out and threaten them if youve already flattened them in your race for the lights huh?

slowrider - Member
peterpoddy, [b]your two accounts[/b] make you out to be a massive nobber and just the kind of road user thats is more than likely going to put a cyclist at risk. No need to get out and threaten them if youve already flattened them in your race for the lights huh?

peterpoddy, your two accounts make you out to be a massive nobber and just the kind of road user thats is more than likely going to put a cyclist at risk. No need to get out and threaten them if youve already flattened them in your race for the lights huh?

Well, I admit to beating a faster car off the lights, but then backing off and letting him go. It was hilarious!
But what would YOU do if you were being forced off the road? Smile and wave?

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LOL @ Druidh, that took a few seconds to sink in though! 🙂

A company van pulled out on me a few years ago, early morning, semi dark, i screamed the usual abuse at the driver, the driver pulled out behind me, and stopped a bit further up in front of me, he jumped out of the van and handed me a brand new hi viz jacket.

wow druidh, thats like double entendre only boring.

a number of years back whilst commuting in London, a motorist overtook me and suddenly turned left in front of me

I managed to skid / stop just before hitting the side of his car, and started screaming abuse at him, he drove off down the side street

I continued my journey, but then turned into Brick Lane to get some bagels for breakfast, about 1/2 way up Brick Lane there was a loud engine noise / roar behind me, and the same motorist was driving straight at me!!

I hopped onto the pavement he tried to follow, skidded hard and then hit a metal bollard further along the pavement edge, bending his bumper

I was about 100 yds up the pavement, he got out, walked round to the boot

I remember hearing 2 loud clicks like catches being released and he pulled a long black metal tube out of the boot and pumped it with a 'chink-chink' noise

I realised he had a shotgun (!!)

I f*cked off straight up the road before he could come any closer and called 999 from a phone box and then hid until the Police turned up, he was long gone by then

Police got vehicle number plate from 2 German tourists who had witnessed the incident and it was a stolen vehicle that had been used in armed robbery in Manchester!

never swore at any motorists again after that

not worth it, you don't know what something is carrying in their car and how deranged they might be??

jeezus! ^^^prize for scariest motorist there!

the weirdest thing is the motorist looked just like one of the 2 scousers from movie "Lock Stock and 2 smoking barrels" - the one with the big permed curly hair!

😆 Reminds me of when we were younger. Lad backed out of the local off licence with a shotgun...my mates older brother shouted 'OI!!!!' for the armed robber to turn round and point it at us!

We later found out their getaway car had been found abandoned in Manchester.

A company van pulled out on me a few years ago, early morning, semi dark, i screamed the usual abuse at the driver, the driver pulled out behind me, and stopped a bit further up in front of me, he jumped out of the van and handed me a brand new hi viz jacket.

Defended yourself? obviously once he stops and gets out of the car he is going to attack you or at least that is a reasonably belief on your part (I am thinking court procedings). IE hit him first before he hits you which is reasonble thing to assume. Recently cycle home on a wide but completely unlit back road a car got to close I shouted at him he reversed back drove alongside me i gave as much as I got verbally he speeded up swerved in front of me and slamed the brakes on I went down well over the handle bars he was out of the car and at me before i could get up (bad gash on the knee). Etiher way he decided quickly he didn't want any of it I tried to get him out of the car but dam centrel locking. As it happens there was witness who came back but as she didn't get his registration number and neither did I . I told her not to bother to call police (she had the phone out ready). Daft, as at the end of the day he may have been picked up just by being in a small red car........I know sounds unlikely but at night little trafic and it is very rural area. And he would have got done for at least leaving the scene of an accident??????? Am I right on the latter

I had a taxi cut me up at 5am the other morning at a cross roads. He immediately started shouting and screaming at me and got out of the car, which he left in the middle of the junction as I rode past. I stopped and he pulled out a tyre iron from the passenger seat screaming about me getting some lights. I pointed to the light on my handlebar, 2 lights on my seatpost and the joystick on my lid. He carried on screaming and came towards me with the iron bar raised above his head. At this point I pointed out my warrant card, informing him I was a police officer and that he would be spending the rest of his day in custody.

However, the best thing to do would be to loudly call the fuzz giving the best description that you can and walk/ride away.

These kinds of things tend not to be a one off. People like that need to see there are consequences to that kind of behaviour.

Indeed. Has anyone actually ever got involved in such a situation without inciting it?

I don't really understand why people are so keen to insult the drivers, but not deal with the concequences, and no one's yet managed to give a coherent answer. It all comes across as cowardly bravado to me I must say.

Who knows? The point is, do you want to have to deal with a potentially violent situation or do you just want to get on with your day? Almost all of the anecdotes in this thread have the motorist getting out of his car [i]after[/i] the wronged cyclist swears or gestures or whatever. Why not just keep your cool and avoid the situation entirely?

Why not just keep your cool and avoid the situation entirely?

Easier said than done. Quite reasonably, most people get a bit worked up when someone puts your life in danger. Let's not forget who's in the wrong here.

because I am not a pussy like you 😉

Great quote from a short, greed dude with pointed big ears:

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering."

So don't fear the car or driver and if driver gets out of car stay calm and make sure you pack a light saber, (LED touch should do, but you will need make the noise yourself)that should scare them!

It's a zen thing. Not responding makes the accuser look pathetic.

Junkyard - Member

Indeed. Has anyone actually ever got involved in such a situation without inciting it?

I don't really understand why people are so keen to insult the drivers, but not deal with the concequences, and no one's yet managed to give a coherent answer. It all comes across as cowardly bravado to me I must say.

Nonsense

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joao3v16 - Member
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I think responding is, in law considered a poor show. If you have a choice to walk away and you don't then this might not reflect well in a legal situation. Always best to walk away. It takes a bigger man to walk away from a fight than to face and fight (that's what my uncle told me after I ran off when some kids tried to beat me up and I was gutted with myself for being chicken.)

toys19 - Member
I think responding is, in law considered a poor show. If you have a choice to walk away and you don't then this might not reflect well in a legal situation. Always best to walk away. It takes a bigger man to walk away from a fight than to face and fight (that's what my uncle told me after I ran off when some kids tried to beat me up and I was gutted with myself for being chicken.)

eah thinking your uncle was talking bollocks there it definatly does not take a bigger man to walk away than face the fight. It is much harder to stand and fight what your uncle should said is you had no chance against that many so you didn't run away you beat a hasty retreat.

Well despite him trying to make me feel better he was actually completely right.. The point is that despite me being terrified and not manning up to the fight it is better to get over your own pathetic need to validate yourself through violence or confrontation as there can be no winners. Life isn't a Clint movie you know. I think a real man knows that this -

At the end of the day they would have always looked at that as a victory and you stopped them doing so.

In fact the hardest bloke I know, a 7th dan aikido sensei claims to have never been in a fight, he always walks away. How do I know he is hard? I have been involved in 10 man attacks on him. After he has won he will find the person who was holding back in the attack the most and make you pay, so next time you know to go in as hard as possible. We all try to mash him up and he is untouchable. Number 1 rule of aikido? Man up and walk away.

I'm a very placid person who despite being 6'3" and 15st normally avoids confrontation at all cost. That is until someone try to kill me in their car when the switch just flips and I lose it. I forget that the motorist surrounded by 2 tonnes of metal so probably luckily for me they have all got away before I've caught up.

read all this post.......and all i can say is that if someone is in your face screaming that they are gonna kill you, well they are gonna get it.
it may be seen as wrong or thuggish by the soft leftie types on here.
we all come from differant backgrounds with and have all been brought up in differant ways.
and it takes all sorts dont it........... 😉

Unless someones punching me then I'll take ALOT of abuse. Not so long ago in Hebden I had someone physically pushing me and I didnt react or rise.

I calmed him down without backing down.

Like I said its seriously uncool seeing a road rage incident - NO ONE looks good regardless of who is right/wrong- it soon disapears to others and they are the ones who are the witnesses.

Peace.

it may be seen as wrong or thuggish by the soft leftie types on here.

it is a personal choice, I think if someone threatens anyone they should be prepared to face the consequences. I just feel personally that after I have beaten the crap out of them and then been imprisoned for assault, that whatever petty thing they said or screamed would be insignificant to the damage to my life and family due to my incarceration. AVOID.

Is it time to post this vid again? The bloke hangs on as long as possible, despite mateys threats he never gets into it unless he vitally has to.

the police man above meets the definiition of not inciting the situation? Am I or anyone else inciting the sitaution when a car driver pulls out in front of you? Yes I suppose we are if you take the side of the car driver all the time which cyclist would not....do you own a bike? thats not one that hangs in the garage except for the odd day in the summer? Cowardly? Well saying things like that on the internet and knowing you will never have to back it up says all you need to know about you. How do you write a chicken noise?

Your unitelligable ramblings confuse me, I assume you're either 10, or have an IQ of 10, but I think that was aimed at me, as you quoted my post, although you actually quoted Junkyard quoting my quote. Very odd. You ought to learn to punctuate things too, makes your drivel even harder to read.

Anyway... yes, I do own several bikes, and they get used a lot, year round, as I said previously on the road a fair bit as well. More than 500 road miles in the last month, a good proportion of those in Central London, and I've managed not to shout anything at any of the many car drivers (or cyclists) who've nearly had me off.

I'm not quite sure how this makes me a coward, I've not said anything I won't 'back up in real life', I don't even know what you mean. You sound like a particular species of moron, I will happily say this to you face to face, I'm not saying you are one, but your online persona certainly indicates that. I imagine you'll now say you want to fight me. Which really confirms what I thought.

Much love xx

toys19 - Member
If someone threatens you with violence the only way to win is to get away from that violence.

[i]Is it time to post this vid again? The bloke hangs on as long as possible, despite mateys threats he never gets into it unless he vitally has to.[/i]

Extreme example. But he doesn't run away either. Although it's totally irrelevant as neither of them are in a car or on a bike.

The more I think about it the more I'm happy with the way I handled things. The guy first tried to bully me with his car. Then he tried to bully me by using his size to push me around. He got a shock when a small skinny guy in lycra stopped him dead. The fact that I was ready to go for him if he tried to invade my personal space again stopped him from doing anything else. He then got back in his car and probably boasted to his daughter all the way home about how he taught a cyclist a lesson.

Maybe he'll think twice about trying to confront people physically or maybe he won't. Maybe he'll start intentionally driving people off the road, I don't know. I'd do the exact same thing again anyway.

Again.

I've just deliberately cut a cyclist up and given him grief then driven off.

Would I....

A). Prefer he does the ****er sign to me
or
B). I get a knock on the door from a Traffic Officer investigating a possible Section59?

Which one do you think would alter my driving more?

extreme example. But he doesn't run away either. Although it's totally irrelevant as neither of them are in a car or on a bike.

Yeah I know, good vid though. But I don't think he had anywhere to run, he needed to protect his family/property, he kept his cool hoping the aggressor would just back off, in the end he was left with little choice but to wallop him. If it was me I would have gone inside locked the doors and armed myself and the wife with cameras/video and recorded the lot whilst calling the police.

The below is a load of bollocks, I cannot believe you have read the daily mail today and still find time to post here, did someone read it to you?

Sorry but have to disagree with you. You are merely encouraging them. They think they can do it to anyone and that everyone will back down. Hell you just have to listen to Muslim extremist who constantly say that UK is weak and they will force sharia law hear first. The attack on the twin towers was based on osama bin laden belief that the US was a "paper tiger".......mistake?? If you read no-nonsense the policeman above he says the same thing in roundabout way??

UK gets threatened all the time, they mostly ignore it.

Are you telling me I should have lain on the floor taking a kicking from driver who swerved in front of me and slammed the brakes on?? That would have encouraged him do it again because he knows he can get away with it........surely you can see that?

No but if you could have you should have buggered off.
Do you think getting into a fight with a bloke is going to teach him anything? After you have "won" do you think he will go home and reappraise his views on driving and agree with your view of his driving? He will just go and feel more bitter and probably run over more cyclists, in fact I imagine his behaviour with you happened because of previous altercations. Make peace, walk away.

toys19 - Member

hardest bloke I know, a 7th dan aikido sensei claims to have never been in a fight, he always walks away. How do I know he is hard? I have been involved in 10 man attacks on him. After he has won he will find the person who was holding back in the attack the most and make you pay, so next time you know to go in as hard as possible. We all try to mash him up and he is untouchable. Number 1 rule of aikido? Man up and walk away.

what this thread needs is a good group hug....

I have never heard so much shite in all my life 10 men attck him all at the same time and he can fight them all off?????? You have been watching to many Bruce Lee films. NO ONE NO ONE what so ever can do that you would simply be on him and pinning his arms to his sides immediatly. That remark is an insult to peoples intelligence. Maybe if they came at him one at a time then it is possible but if you are saying all at once then you are lieing end of.

If you had ever seen it you would know it relies on the fact that 10 people can not physically access 1 person, at most about 5 can get close enough at any moment. But I have been there and I am not lying. It might well be an insult to your intelligence as that would seem pretty easy.

I have never heard so much shite in all my life 10 men attck him all at the same time and he can fight them all off??????

you can't beat the angry pyjamas patiently queueing up to have a half assed pop at a sensei.

put him in a cage with a proper fighter and he'd get proper mashed up...

Anyone can learn Kata's and get belts. Its taking it in and ability/another level when you really can put it into practice.

Personally I'd back a boxer/street-fighter over a 'Sensai' any day of the week.

put him in a cage with a proper fighter and he'd get proper mashed up...

I said he was the hardest bloke I know. I don't know any cage fighters, and I am sure there are people that can have him, so what? The point is he is nails and could win in most situations but chooses not to. Mostly i should imagine because:
1) He might not win
2) If he did he might win later in court or revenge attack
3) He isn't a small minded moron who validates himself by turning petty arguments into life changing conflict.

Anyone can learn Kata's and get belts. Its taking it in and ability/another level when you really can put it into practice.

Personally I'd back a boxer/street-fighter over a 'Sensai' any day of the week.

toys19
The below is a load of bollocks, I cannot believe you have read the daily mail today and still find time to post here, did someone read it to you?

UK gets threatened all the time, they mostly ignore it.

Are you telling me I should have lain on the floor taking a kicking from driver who swerved in front of me and slammed the brakes on?? That would have encouraged him do it again because he knows he can get away with it........surely you can see that?

No but if you could have you should have buggered off.
Do you think getting into a fight with a bloke is going to teach him anything? After you have "won" do you think he will go home and reappraise his views on driving and agree with your view of his driving? He will just go and feel more bitter and probably run over more cyclists, in fact I imagine his behaviour with you happened because of previous altercations. Make peace, walk away.

toys19-

Is it time to post this vid again? The bloke hangs on as long as possible, despite mateys threats he never gets into it unless he vitally has to.

"Silent biker" - No. This video has nothing to do with bikes. It's just some chav that gets his arse handed to him.

however i am now a changed man and have seen the error of my ways.
i would now laugh at someone screaming in my face, but how should i react if he then hit me?
i dont know, anyone have a answer?

mstrb - Member
"Silent biker" - No. This video has nothing to do with bikes. It's just some chav that gets his arse handed to him.

Read my response to the same comment. It is good though isn't it?

Yeah I know, good vid though. But I don't think he had anywhere to run, he needed to protect his family/property, he kept his cool hoping the aggressor would just back off, in the end he was left with little choice but to wallop him. If it was me I would have gone inside locked the doors and armed myself and the wife with cameras/video and recorded the lot whilst calling the police.

Ton said

however i am now a changed man and have seen the error of my ways.
i would now laugh at someone screaming in my face, but how should i react if he then hit me?
i dont know, anyone have a answer?

Isn't this hypothetical as in most situations you would just get away before the face screaming begins?

ton - Member
however i am now a changed man and have seen the error of my ways.
i would now laugh at someone screaming in my face, but how should i react if he then hit me?
i dont know, anyone have a answer?

ou in essence are saying no different from there should be no consequence for your astions............I believe thats called anarchy?? And it is difficult when on the floor to "run away" and trying to would have encouarged him to continue attacking me.

From you report above, you went further than defending yourself, you then went on the attack and were beaten by the

dam centrel locking

The consequences of his actions should have been a call from the cops, but you took the wrong decision on that too.

no doubt toys19 would still support the car driver??

[i]It might well be an insult to your intelligence as that would seem pretty easy.[/i]

Takes time to admire the above line 🙂

I don't think that video is "good" at all. I think its ****ing disgusting that a bloke had to resort to violence to get rid of some chav that was trying to impress his phone-camera wielding scum friends. There's nothing good or relevant about it.

It is entirely possible to be a victim of violent conduct without inviting it or inciting it. However swearing at people isn't going to reflect terribly well on you either. I was the victim of threats of violence without any negative behaviour on my part. But I would always recommend calling police and make it clear that you are being physically threatened. I deal with conflict and violence a daily basis but it's always better to call the police and explain what's happened in a calm manner. I wasn't suggesting squaring up to someone and using physical violence if you can avoid it. Hoewever the law does allow for a pre-emptive strike if you are genuinely in fear of your own or another's safety. The obvious caveat is that it's for a jury to decide if the force was reasonable in the circumstances.

Takes time to admire the above line

I don't think that video is "good" at all. I think its **** disgusting that a bloke had to resort to violence to get rid of some chav that was trying to impress his phone-camera wielding scum friends. There's nothing good or relevant about it.

OK fair enough. It is actually awful. When I first saw it it made me sick to my stomach (until the conclusion) as I have been in similar situations - [b]but[/b] my 'good' comment is from the relief that his smart actions brought things to a swift and mostly painless conclusion. I admire that bloke for dealing with it the way he did.

toys19 - Member

If you had ever seen it you would know it relies on the fact that 10 people can not physically access 1 person, at most about 5 can get close enough at any moment. But I have been there and I am not lying. It might well be an insult to your intelligence as that would seem pretty easy.

chuckles at njee20

Personally I'd back a boxer/street-fighter over a 'Sensai' any day of the week.

NO ONE NO ONE what so ever can do that you would simply be on him and pinning his arms to his sides immediatly.

You are so informed you cant even see how it can be done.. I see little point debating it with you but trust me it can and with speed, movement and power.

You are so informed you cant even see how it can be done..

I expect sd-253 is just using his 'common sense'.

surfmatt could take you all on.

i've seen someone take out 4 people with one punch that somehow merged into a headbut at the end.

Nonsense - Member
It is entirely possible to be a victim of violent conduct without inviting it or inciting it. However swearing at people isn't going to reflect terribly well on you either. I was the victim of threats of violence without any negative behaviour on my part. But I would always recommend calling police and make it clear that you are being physically threatened. I deal with conflict and violence a daily basis but it's always better to call the police and explain what's happened in a calm manner. I wasn't suggesting squaring up to someone and using physical violence if you can avoid it. Hoewever the law does allow for a pre-emptive strike if you are genuinely in fear of your own or another's safety. The obvious caveat is that it's for a jury to decide if the force was reasonable in the circumstances.

Mike Godwin rule?

Anyone care to take a bet, how long?

😉

Well we have had muslims and osama it won't be long now..

pre-emptive strike? sounds like something the nazis would do

pre-emptive strike? sounds like something the[s] nazis[/s] [b]USA[/b] would do

FTFY you thread ruiner..

toys19 - Member

ou in essence are saying no different from there should be no consequence for your astions............I believe thats called anarchy?? And it is difficult when on the floor to "run away" and trying to would have encouarged him to continue attacking me.

From you report above, you went further than defending yourself, you then went on the attack and were beaten by the

dam centrel locking

The consequences of his actions should have been a call from the cops, but you took the wrong decision on that too.

no doubt toys19 would still support the car driver??

That is crazy that you would think I have any empathy with or sympathy for people that threaten other people.

I think you will find I am supporting you. But I don't know if you are open minded enough to realise that.

What I want to know is can a plane take off on a conveyor belt?