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  • What big diesel estate, 2nd hand?
  • hillsplease
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    Gents

    As above – any ideas – under £10k. Circa 20,000 miles per year.

    Many thanks

    Paul

    CountZero
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    Skoda Octavia/Superb, Volvo V70.

    loddrik
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    Subaru outback legacy whatever.

    Bmw 520d

    Northwind
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    Mondeo obviously. Worth looking for the bigger engines, if you like driving, the 2.0 is fine and dandy but there’s very little drawback to the bigger ones- I pay a few buttons extra in tax and something like an extra £7 per year in insurance for the 2.2, but fuel economy is basically the same and it has about 50% more feels.

    parkesie
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    Basically any big 2ltr estate i went for a cotroen c5exclusive because im a bit daft.

    jekkyl
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    VW passat

    john_drummer
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    Merc E Class

    hillsplease
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    Is the Vectra option a woeful one?

    mcmoonter
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    Parkesie + 1

    I drove a newish C5 Exclusive Tourer recently, it’s what I’ll replace the mothership with next.

    andy8442
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    I’ve done 11k since new in my V70, no complaints. 50mpg+ and getting better. You obviously won’t get a new one for £10k but probably an early mk3.

    A slight tangent, but my wife is on to her second VW Touran. Dull as dishwater, but in 2.0TDI form an excellent motor with a massive boot.

    LoCo
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    Passat, have B5.5 which is ace.
    or
    E class or V70 which I’ll look at when the Passat needs replacing.

    br
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    Is the Vectra option a woeful one?

    Not in the least, estate is huge and you could easily get an 2008 for half what you want to spend. The post 55-plate cars are totally under-valued and nothing like the ones Top Gear castigated.

    tonyg2003
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    A6, Mazda6?

    I like the E class but each to their own.

    PePPeR
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    How about a Hyundai I40? Just about in Budget with a little haggling.

    Massive cars with huge amounts of space and loads of kit, will still have 3 or 4 years warranty and are really well built.

    Vectras aren’t bad, I’m not a Vauxhall guy, (have never liked the driving position in them).

    I bought my wife a Renault Laguna for commuting in, cheap as chips and I don’t care what everyone says, Renaults are all built with the same components that everyone else use. Car manufacturers just assemble vehicles from set pieces these days!
    We bought it ex lease, I prefer Ex lease vehicles as they are serviced well and you aren’t generally buying someone elses trouble (second hand cars generally get swapped in when people get fed up with the problems they are having with them)

    We’ve done 15,000 miles in twelve months and its been brilliant, and a Mondeo would have been £10k at the same age, the laguna was £6.5k

    Northwind
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    The vectras are perfectly decent, and the boot is really, really long- well shaped too. (probably better use of space than the mondeo, though I think the actual space is slightly smaller, just going by how it feels to squeeze bikes into them both). Not that nice a car overall imo- feels like it was stamped out of beer cans, quite noisy too. But drives alright, does the job, perfectly sensible option.

    captain-slow
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    Mazda 6 really does take some beating in my opinion…

    bigdean
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    Basically any big 2ltr estate i went for a cotroen c5exclusive because im a bit daft

    Thats poitivly sane, i bought a 159 2.4jtdm sport wagon. Drinks deisel and everthing is £200 to replace (wheel bearing dealer only anyone) looks nice though.

    Oh and to top it off the rear seats dont fold full flat. Brill car.

    Eyepic
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    Mazda 6 really does take some beating in my opinion..

    +1

    spidersexual
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    Audi A7 all road 60000 service intervals, beast the 2.7 one.

    molgrips
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    Heard bad things about Mazda diesels, relating to the way they design their DPF. Same engines as Ford where it’s a service replacement item I think..? Do your research.

    Inbred456
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    As long as you get rid at 80k you’ll be all right. Wouldn’t keep a newish diesel past that. Big bills looming after that. People on here will say mines done 150k with no probs but its probably pre DPF and probably a pre common rail VAG ie 1.9 TDI PD. As said above do your research and choose carefully.

    muzz
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    2000 vectra dti cdx estate: full cream leather, heated seats, full electrics, cd multichanger, cruise control , roof rails, 50mpg, 120k miles, cost me, £510, job done

    muzz
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    Did I say its a timing chain engine ?

    P20
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    I’d happily buy another Octavia estate or possibly upgrade to the superb. Mines now on 130k, I’ve done 70k of that and it’s been brilliant.

    toys19
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    I love my honda accord, 2.2ctdi. Mega reliable, economical, fast.

    Harry_the_Spider
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    I had a Vectra for years and it was a big, comfy, fuel efficient load lugger. However, at 95,000 it fell apart. Can’t grumble as it didn’t owe me anything.

    Got an S-Max now and that too is a big comfy load lugger. Fuel efficiency isn’t that great compared to the Vectra but it is quite a lot bigger.

    toys19
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    rented an smax this summer, liked it. Would buy one in the future.

    boblo
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    @andy8442 is that the D5 and if sumo, how many horses? What mpg do you get from it please?

    hora
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    New shape Mondeo estate.

    molgrips
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    As long as you get rid at 80k you’ll be all right. Wouldn’t keep a newish diesel past that. Big bills looming after that.

    If you keep replacing them at 80k you’ll probably have even bigger bills. False economy I reckon.

    andy8442
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    Boblo- Mine is the D3 136 bhp auto. Overall average 45 mpg but on a motorway run 52-54mpg (and increasing). Lovely to drive,and a huge usable boot. I looked at the A6 and BMW 5 series (new models) and they quote comparable boot capacity but its just nonsense. The shape of the backs of these cars sweep down and you loose so much in the boot. The Volvo is just a big square box in the back, just what I want.

    If load capacity is what you really are looking for, the the Mpvs are the way forward, but they just aren’t nearly economical enough. The V70 was the best compromise IMO.

    mrmonkfinger
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    pug 407 in 2.7HDi flavour – abysmal residual value, so nice and cheap now (same motor as fitted to Jaguars) – bit thirsty for a diesel (45 on motorways IIRC)

    mondy 2.0 160ps (or the bigger 2.5? L)
    mazda 6 (same chassis/engine as mondy)
    volvo v70 (as above)

    it’ll be the mondy or pug for me in a year or two.

    johndoh
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    If you keep replacing them at 80k you’ll probably have even bigger bills. False economy I reckon.

    Hmm, possibly, but you also have the benefit of driving a newer car for longer.

    You could keep a car until it dies and have the occasional big bill but you get diminishing returns driving it.

    FWIW, I have a brand new car (change every two or three years) but our second car is now coming up 8 years old – owned from new, still only has 38k on the clock, hasn’t had many nasty surprises with bills, but it is already feeling old and less pleasant to drive.

    molgrips
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    Cars don’t actually get worse as you own them, provided you maintain them of course. If you go around dealers a lot and read What Car, then you’ll realise what you’re missing out on. But if you don’t, then your car really is still just as good as it was when you bought it.

    I suspect your second car is feeling old because you’re changing your first car 🙂

    johndoh
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    Well no it’s not, after all, it’s still on original suspension and that’s had 1 tonne of car sat on it for 8 years so if nothing else, the suspension is wearing out.

    And it gets properly maintained to manufacturer specification at the correct intervals. But it simply doesn’t feel anything like new anymore – just lots of little things. Not that it could have helped being within a wafer of being an economical write off when 6 weeks old thanks to a dozy delivery driver piling into the back of it…

    crispy
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    E-Class.

    EDIT: Having said that, Autoexpress makes an interesting case for an Insignia tourer:

    If you’re after maximum car for your money, look no further than the Insignia. Thanks to the fleet sector’s hunger for spacious, comfortable and cheap-to-run family cars, the market is flooded with nearly new examples of the big Vauxhall. We found a one-year-old car for £14,056 less than its
    original list price – it’s the sporty SRi, too, so you get 18-inch alloys, parking sensors and an upgraded sound system. While the 2.0 CDTi diesel will suit high-mileage drivers, the 138bhp 1.8 petrol has enough power for most.

    Read more: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/vauxhall/insignia/84691/best-used-car-2013-vauxhall-insignia

    HoratioHufnagel
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    Speaking from prior experience, go absolutely nowhere near a Vectra if its got 1.9 cdti engine in it.

    DaveyBoyWonder
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    I’m in a similar’ish situation at the moment but don’t need anything as massive and I’d be doing less than half as many miles a year.

    Estates (I do love a wagon) I’ve looked at:
    – another Octavia vRS. Ticks a LOT of boxes but we want an auto next ideally and DSGs on sub-£10k cars are rare unless the car has high’ish mileage. Don’t really want to sell our car, shove thousands on top and end up with basically the same thing on same mileage but with a different gearbox! But they are good cars and if you don’t want an auto I’d reccommend one. Seems almost wrong to have such good inside space for a relatively small car.
    – mk4 Mondeo. Loads of kit as standard on the Titanium X things I was looking at but they aren’t the best looking things in the world (the post-2010 FL ones look much nicer). Loved my old ST TDCI soo much I had to look at a mk4 but they’re just too dull for what I want. Ace motorway munchers though.
    – A6 estate (2007/2008’ish). S-Line spec packs a hell of a lot of kit but doubts over the reliability of the Multitronic gearbox is kinda putting me off and thinking it might just be a bit too big! Manuals are out there though (rarer than the autos) and its possibly the comfiest car I’ve ever sat in. Its like driving a sofa.
    – 5-series estate (similar vintage to the A6). Lovely looking things but living on a hill + RWD + wife NEEDING to get into work virtually no matter what the weather (I’m ok, I can just work from home) kinda rules them out. Nice though… Still tempting.
    – Mazda 6 Sport. Kinda tempting this. Cheap and nice looking things but I’m not keen on the interior/dash. May be worth a closer look.
    – Passat. Insanely boring but massive and well built.
    – Superb. Bonkers massive but there are a few estates knocking around in approved Skoda dealers for under £10k. Tempting but I suspect there’ll be zero pleasure derived from driving it I suspect.
    – Insignia. Surprisingly nice! Comfy, loads of toys, seemed well built and lots of options to look at for sub £10k. I might have a closer look at one of these (it’d ‘just’ be a car as well in the eyes of the wife would would mean my mk2 Golf plans would have a better chance of being approved).

    Most of the cars above though are bordering on being too big for us really (despite having two kids, we’d prefer a slightly smaller car + have a roof box for holidays etc).

    At the moment we’re thinking either a BMW 330 Touring or A6 saloon but any of the above I’d take a closer look at (except maybe the Passat).

    If you wanted to spend less and get loads of toys, I’d reccommend a mk3 Mondeo ST TDCI. Theres a couple of low (50k’ish) mileage 2007 plate cars on Autotrader at the moment but they’re hatchbacks. Massive boots though. I was doing 20k+ a year in mine and it was an excellent car to the point we’ve seriously thought about getting another. Auto everything, heated leather, 50+mpg etc.

    molgrips
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    Well no it’s not, after all, it’s still on original suspension and that’s had 1 tonne of car sat on it for 8 years so if nothing else, the suspension is wearing out.

    I did say properly maintained. Lots of things are not on the regular service schedule but are service items. Shocks are one, but suspension bushings and even springs need to be looked at too.

    I put a lot of effort into trying to make my old Passat nice again, and it went from a bit of a banger to a fairly decent car. There were some things that wore and were difficult to fix, I suspect the seats were a bit firmer when new, but then I never had the car when new so I didn’t know.

    Both my cars are now 6 years old, and whilst the interiors hve picked up scuffs and dirt, there’s not much difference between the way they are now and when they were new. The Prius interior has a rattle in it, and it’s not that tight, but it was like that after 2 years and hasn’t got any worse.

    The Passat’s paid off soon, and I think I’m going to keep putting the loan payment in a savings account so in 5 years time I’ll have a boat load of cash AND a car 🙂

    Passat. Insanely boring

    See, I don’t get why people say this. Wtf are you expecting out of a large diesel estate? It handles well enough, and those other cars aren’t exactly sporty. And not everyone wants sportiness.

    I’d check out a Toyota Avensis. They’re cheap cos of this ridiculous ‘boring’ epithet, but are capable cars.

    trail_rat
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    “5-series estate (similar vintage to the A6). Lovely looking things but living on a hill + RWD + wife NEEDING to get into work virtually no matter what the weather (I’m ok, I can just work from home) kinda rules them out. Nice though… Still tempting.”

    not really – they are pretty capible cars with winter tires on.

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