jimjam….haha nearly pissed myself…so funny but ‘case closed your honour’ MMA was started to settle BJJ is better than TKD, TKD is better than wester boxing, western boxing is better than Wrestling, Westling is better than Karate etc etc etc truth has turned out to be they all have a place and in order to beat any opponent you new to be able to perform all disappointed to a high level!

wanmankylung did you watch that documentary on Connor? The one where they measured certain attributes at a world sporting facility? He is a unique athlete, in tests performed on sporting elites from all sports he recorded the best ever time on a balance test (formally held by a top surfer)! The speed generated by his hips was faster than any other athlete tested.

His spinning kick in a reaction test was almost a fast as his jab but generated much more power…I’m not saying he is THE most elite kicker in the would but he has great kicking technique that can be applied effectively during unarmed combat at the most elite level on earth…plus he IS the best 145 pound fighter in the world period!

the best UFC fighter would easily beat the best TKD fighter. All the top 10 would do so fairly easily as they would just take them to ground.

TBH the best UFC fighter would beat the best a single style fighter [ some would be much more effective BJJ for example]

Early stuff was style v style then everyone realised you needed a mixture of ability and just one style wont cut it

TKD is amongst the worst as it is “sport” martial arts rather than an actual fighting martial arts
Please dont be fooled by our resident troll who has only been doing TKD fr afew years unlike his trolling.

I have not swallowed anything…any fighter from any background can move into the UFC once they’ve proved to be capable by despatching all comers. Granted Pride and Strikeforce were also great but neither are any longer in existence.

Where would you suggest the best testing ground to decide the best fighter in the world is?

At one point early on in this thread I had though that onewankybrain was trolling, but that doesn’t appear to be the case…astounding!

Where would you suggest the best testing ground to decide the best fighter in the world is?

Outside the kebab shop at about 1am on a sunday morning.

So to clarify….for someone that has zero knowledge of either……whom would win in a fight UFC dude or TKD Olympian?

UFC dude would win MMA fight, TKD dude would win TKD fight.

At one point early on in this thread I had though that onewankybrain was trolling, but that doesn’t appear to be the case…astounding!

People have been banned for less than that. But no – it’s not a troll, it’s just that people fail to pick up on the tiny little point that I’m making.

Where would you suggest the best testing ground to decide the best fighter in the world is?

Great question – it’s definitely not in any sort of ring or octagon.

Junkyard

the best UFC fighter would easily beat the best TKD fighter. All the top 10 would do so fairly easily as they would just take them to ground.

No Junkyard. Any woman in the UFC or Invicta would beat the best TKD player.

This “argument” was put beyond any reasonable doubt almost 25 years ago. But it’s amusing to see it play out again. There will always be stalwarts of traditional styles who claim that they are too fast or too deadly for competition, or they have a “street lethal” style that won’t work within the confines of a cage” some will even attract followers who buy into their BS. If they were even semi competent fighters they would seek to challenge themselves (even if it meant toning down their lethal style and maybe not using the dim mak 😆 ).

People have been banned for less than that.

Really? It’s a bit of leg-pulling, man up princess.

But no – it’s not a troll, it’s just that people fail to pick up on the tiny little point that I’m making.

Go on then, I’ll bite. What is the tiny point that you’re making?

You started by insinuating that the fight was a fix and that Aldo took a dive, but the slo-mo posted soon after showed that Aldo had taken an incredibly clean, well timed clout to the jaw and went down like a stone.

Then you had a pop at UFC/MMA in general, suggesting that your TKD club mates could ‘ave ’em no worries (I might be paraphrasing here – can’t be arsed to check!).

And in the post above you say “UFC dude would win MMA fight, TKD dude would win TKD fight.” which I don’t think anyone is disputing.

What IS your point?!

I’m not sure where we are at with all of this but if MMA was all about “brawling” then Don Frye wouldn’t have needed to hang up his star spangled shorts 😆

[video]https://youtu.be/PrwJQhCSLRo[/video]

The tiny little point that I’m making is that MMA and “superb martial arts” do not go hand in hand. To get “superb” martial arts you need to go into those individual arts to the them done superbly.

I can see both sides tbh.
I do karate (more a mix of kickboxing/boxing/tkd/karate). One of the instructors is a 6 times WAKO word champion and there is quite a few European/British champions also. Some students drift into MMA, some into K1, but it’s mostly the ones that want to fight aggressively, not competitively. A young lad I’ve trained with for a good few years has 2 British K1 titles.
But.. Put them back into club sparring (no takedowns or leg kicks) and they become average. I can out point the K1 fighter but would I **** get in a ring with him!

Horses for courses.

^^^^^DanW
Thanks as hadn’t seen that. Gotta be the best example of both fighters having the same tactic from the bell!

I know a bloke who fought in that PRIDE competition. He’s bonkers, but still very likeable. Effing HUGE when he’s in shape, and is more of a brawler (ex debt collector, bouncer etc) with a bit of technique.

Where is the honour, respect and pride in the art with respect to that PRIDE video? That’s just GBH with a licence.

So anyway, BruceWee Jr is two years old and his wee sister is due early next year so I think it’s important that I have their martial arts careers mapped out as soon as possible.

I’m thinking they should start out with either Judo or Jiu Jitsu (Brazilian or otherwise) as soon as possible so they can get their throws and groundwork out of the way early. Then I’ll introduce them to karate round about the age of twelve so that they can get some speed and precision in their striking.

When they hit 18 and their brain development is all finished I’ll throw them into a muay thai ring so that they can used to getting hit in the head and add some power to their striking.

At the moment he’s more of a biter than a striker but if everything goes according to plan he should be UFC champion by 2034.

I though this was the point you were making ?

(You even said it was)

The point that was originally made was that there are very few people in UFC who are superb at martial arts. They are mainly brawlers who would come undone very quickly if put up against someone who was focussed on a particular art.

So you were saying that being focused on a single art would make a better fighter that would quickly unstick most UFC guys/girls ?

You seem to have backed off that now.

Now your saying that UFC fighters will win at MMA fights, and horse riders will win at Three Day Eventing 🙄

I know a bloke who fought in that PRIDE competition. He’s bonkers, but still very likeable. Effing HUGE when he’s in shape, and is more of a brawler (ex debt collector, bouncer etc) with a bit of technique.

Not James Thompson by any chance Wrecker (guessing by the description and Brizzle connection). Seems like a heck of a funny guy who isn’t afraid to completely take the p1ss out of himself too!

Q. Did Aldo take a dive?

A. No

Q. Did he royally fudge up

A. Yes

UFC dude would win MMA fight, TKD dude would win TKD fight

As TKD has less moves than MMA so they need to limit the opponents fighting in order to win a TKD person can do all their moves in an MMA fight whilst losing.
Despite you now accepting this its still the superior fighting technique…sorry it looks prettier whilst you are getting the shit kicked out of you.

As noted this debate was decided decades ago when experts in one art kept getting battered – BJJ aside.

I though this was the point you were making ?

(You even said it was)

The point that was originally made was that there are very few people in UFC who are superb at martial arts. They are mainly brawlers who would come undone very quickly if put up against someone who was focussed on a particular art.
So you were saying that being focused on a single art would make a better fighter that would quickly unstick most UFC guys/girls ?

You seem to have backed off that now.

Now your saying that UFC fighters will win at MMA fights, and horse riders will win at Three Day Eventing

Yeah reading it back I missed out the context in which the UFC brawlers would come unstuck very quickly. Hey ho such is life.

Obvious troll is obvious etc

As TKD has less moves than MMA so they need to limit the opponents fighting in order to win a TKD person can do all their moves in an MMA fight whilst losing.

Technically there’s nothing in MMA that is not in the art of TKD. The competitive form if TKD and the art of TKD are radically different. If you look back through the thread you’ll see that I mentioned that a lot earlier.

Obvious troll is obvious etc

Yip you’re right there.

There’s grappling in TKD?

Not James Thompson by any chance Wrecker (guessing by the description and Brizzle connection). Seems like a heck of a funny guy who isn’t afraid to completely take the p1ss out of himself too!

That’s the chap. Used the same S&C coach for a while. Never a dull moment when he’s around. I enjoy his writing too, hell of a character.

Yeah reading it back I missed out the context in which the UFC brawlers would come unstuck very quickly

Other sports that they don’t train for ?

Just going to throw a couple of names out there to contradict your “very few people in UFC are superb at martial arts” comment…

Demian Maia

Main Achievements (BJJ/Grappling):

ADCC Champion (2007);
World Champion (2000 – Purple Belt);
ADCC Silver Medallist (2005);
3x Brazilian World Cup Champion (2002, 2003 Open Weight, 2005 – CBJJO)

Ronda Rousey

Main Achievements (Judo)

Olympic Bronze
World Champs Silver
Continental Champs 3 Golds 1Silver 1 Bronze
International Tournaments 16 Golds etc etc

Alistair Overeem & Mark Hunt

Both K1 Grand Prix Champions

Sage Northcutt

Sage has won a total of 77 world championships in karate. At the age of 9, Northcutt became the youngest person ever to be on the cover of Sport Karate Magazine. He is also an undefeated kickboxer, with his record standing at 15–0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aTjLgzff3U 17 Oct 2011

Is this not superb martial arts and his kicking all kinds of ass in the UFC

Wanmankylung

Pop along to the griphouse on a Friday night. That’s sparring night. Or along to Higher Level in Whitburn on a Sunday for the “super sunday” sparring session. A few UFC fighters there to test your theory out on. Let me know in advance so I can make sure I’m there (not a threat, I want to get in on the comedy)

Lyoto Machida

Say no more…

He did a Karate kid on Randy…

Ronaldo Souza

Grappling credentials Edit
ADCC Submission Wrestling World Championship:
ADCC 2011 Superfight Runner-up (against Braulio Estima)
ADCC 2009 Superfight Champion (against Robert Drysdale)
ADCC 2005 77 – 87 kg: 1st Place
ADCC 2005 Openweight: 2nd Place
ADCC 2003 77 – 87 kg: 2nd Place
ADCC 2003 Brazilian Qualifiers 77 – 87 kg: 1st Place
CBJJ World Championships:
2005 Black Belt Medium Heavy: 1st Place
2005 Black Belt Open Weight: 1st Place
2004 Black Belt Medium Heavy: 2nd Place
2004 Black Belt Open Weight: 1st Place
2003 Brown Belt Medium Heavy: 1st Place
2003 Brown Belt Open Weight: 1st Place
2002 Brown Belt Medium Heavy: 1st Place
2002 Brown Belt Open Weight: 2nd Place
2001 Purple Belt Middle: 1st Place
2001 Purple Belt Open Weight: 1st Place
CBJJ Pan American Championships:
2004 Black Belt Medium Heavy: 1st Place
2004 Black Belt Open Weight: 1st Place
CBJJ European Championships:
2005 Black Belt Medium Heavy: 1st Place
2005 Black Belt Open Weight: 2nd Place
CBJJ Brazilian Championships:
2004 Brown Belt Medium Heavy: 1st Place
BJJ World Cup:
2005 Black belt: 2nd place
2004 Black belt: 1st place

That’s the chap. Used the same S&C coach for a while. Never a dull moment when he’s around. I enjoy his writing too, hell of a character.

OT for a second, but he’s been in the ring with some of the huge names (as in famous) of MMA too. None of those guys would last long now but not many people can say they fought Butterbean, Frye, Kimbo, etc! His Youtube videos are hilarious too. The p1ss take of Pudzian is one I really like given all the crap that went on with those fights. If he’s anything like the same in real life then I imagine he’s one of those people you know can’t be totally stupid but they have you wondering sometimes (meant in a nice way if that makes sense?!) 😀 Kind of playing himself down a little and happy to take the p1ss out of himself as much as others 😀

Anyway, sorry to derail… back to pointless arguing 😆

nwill1 – Member

Just going to throw a couple of names out there to contradict your “very few people in UFC are superb at martial arts” comment…

There are dozens and dozens of names, probably hundreds. I already mentioned some of them, he doesn’t want to know and won’t address any of them since he has no idea who any of those people are and can’t understand their achievements, or doesn’t want to.

It’s also amazing how everyone knows someone that claims to be a world champion in a martial art. Either they run the world championships every fortnight or there are so many farcical governing bodies that a belt from primark carries more respect

I was karaoke World champ in 2003.
Whoop all yo asses.

Kinda makes the UCI look organised. Oh hang on a minute – UFC.

I can’t believe this is still running from the original ‘top dog got unexpectedly whacked WTF?’ post.