3 year old child has 9 milk teeth removed because they're rotten due to too many lollipops and not cleaning teeth.

Mother says

I feel like it's my fault

er..you'd be right then, it is.

that 10st 5 year old! jees, from what i saw on that video he eats more than i do and i'm a growing 18 year old.

But I'm feeding my 10 stone 5 yr old healthy food so quantity isn't the problem!!!!!! WTF, I don't eat that much.

Reminds me of the tread a couple of days ago – why is the NHS costing so much – it's all the managers fault honest.

Frightening levels of stupidity on display. All the parents talk as if they have no influence over what happens at all. IT MAKES ME SO ANGRY!!!!! Do all the lollies and bottles appear out of thin air?

You need a license to have a dog….

Exactly. A 3 year old doesn't earn money, and generally don't go down the shops and buy the stuff themselves. It's tantamount to abuse. Stupidity isn't a defense imo.

You need a license to have a dog….

No you don't

My wife is a Health Visitor and some of the stories she tells about the clients she visits are unbelievable, babies been fed mashed up fish and chips and coke (drinking type not the Columbian snuff variety) in babies bottles.

I think if i was starting work again i would look at a career in child health specalising in diabetics and obesity, job for life unfortunately.

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Pauly – Member
You need a license to have a dog….

Not sure you do, but COMPLETELY agree with your point!

Swalsey – Member
+1

Pauly – Member
You need a license to have a dog….
Not sure you do, but COMPLETELY agree with your point!

You think people should have to have a license to have a child?

Yes was my immediate answer; many people have children who shouldn't.

But there again, No. Look what happens in China.

Do we want more abortions, or newborns left to die in a ditch somewhere.

Not that I have the answers though. Neither do our government it seems.

It is a very dangerous road to go down if someone is to decide who is and who isn't fit to have children. It is also completely unfeasible to do without sterilisation.

I teach in a large comp in the South Liverpool area featured in the doc…Can you imagine what parents' evening is like? 😯

"So Mrs Inadequate, little Jimmy isn't quite performing at his predicted level…"

I've been there so many times it's tragic! We can't educate these kids because their parents are so abusive negligent, inadequate or just thick! Their kids are products of their horrific environments and yet they are expected to perform as well at school as Harriette and Henry from leafy Berkshire?!? They need to learn how to look after themselves before we start suggesting Shakespeare and Physics are a good idea!

The father who refused to give up smoking indoors (after being told it was affecting his son's hearing problem) really peed me off. What a selfish bag of shit.

Perhaps all this points to the one simple, over riding fact: people should have a license to have children.

I got the over riding sense that the good people of Liverpool are just plain ignorant and unable to assimilate information, even when it’s clearly distressing for both the cjild & the parent.

Perhaps a targeted mass sterilisation programme should be embarked upon, not just for the UK’s sake, as I don’t think this is just the UK, but for Mankind as a species. Starting today in Liverpool!

Before this all gets out of hand, allow me to point out that this could have been shot in many socially deprived areas of the UK, and you'd have got more or less the same results. The folk on this programme were appaling, stupid and selfish, that goes without saying, but if you believe this problem is only limited to Liverpool, then perhaps eugenics isnt such a bad idea after all!
STW – it's like spending twenty minutes in a mental hospital.

What Mitch said. The fact is that you have people who are incapable of looking after themselves having kids. I think a curriculum with some proper home economics (cleaning as well as cooking), competitive sports in PE & a beefed up version of PSE (ie, budgeting, how the political system works, etc) could do wonders for the state of the country.

It is also the "largest and busiest childrens hospital in Europe" and is world renowned.
It is based in Liverpool but as Mitch says it is typical of many hospitals in the UK but polarised due to the fact that is specialises in the treatment of children.
A depressing barometer however.

Irrelevent of kids, these people also vote!

And TBH when anyone points out the stupidity of people I always remind them that The Sun is the countries' best selling newspaper…

Ti29er

I got the over riding sense that the good people of Liverpool are just plain ignorant and unable to assimilate information, even when it’s clearly distressing for both the cjild & the parent.

mitch

but if you believe this problem is only limited to Liverpool, then perhaps eugenics isnt such a bad idea after all!

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Do all the lollies and bottles appear out of thin air?

I have a friend who will quite happily give her children lollies for breakfast 'for an easy life' – and they often just help themselves anyway. She also sees it as a big victory if she gets them to eat any vegetables. 🙁 I hope I am never like that with our girls 🙁

She also sees it as a big victory if she gets them to eat any vegetables

Its easy to criticise looking in. My children were never going to play video games etc etc.
In reality it is a constant battle with children as they mix with others whose parents appear to have little concern for their childrens welfare.

I agree with all that, of course, but I get a little peed off when the health professionals blame smoking for just about everything – surely having a cig outside can't harm your child's ear (as stated in the programme)? I was once told that my back problems were caused by smoking (actually a scooter accident when I was 16)and that unless i gave up the 'specialist' couldn't help.

I see a STW lynch mob forming again. 😈

I have worked with "disaffected" 14 to 16-year-old people in the past. You can blame the parents/guardians for being stupid and thick or ignorant and "no wonder their kids turn out like that". My job was to look after my students, I tended to try to do this through parents/guardians, and it seemed to work. You work with the parents/guardians and even get them to help you. In order to do that though, you have to talk to them on an equal footing and not condescending and patronising like some of the posters above.

Its easy to criticise looking in.

Don't get me wrong – in a great many ways she is a great mum and they are pretty balanced kids, but in respect of food she just lets them get away with so much. For example, one of her children will not eat his food unless there is tomato ketchup on the plate. He doesn't like ketchup and will refuse to eat his food if any ketchup gets on it, but he insists on it being on his plate!

My children
were never going to play video games etc etc.

I have to admit I've never understood why this one is a big deal.

I've seen shows and articles where parents complain about their kids being "addicted to video games", when they are playing a couple of hours a night.

Fair enough if you'd rather they were outside getting exercise, but I often wonder if the same parents would be worried by "addiction" if the kids watched two hours of telly instead.

The nurse woman who said that smoking outside was no better than inside was just as thick as some of the people she was treating. Of course it's better, but it's not as good as not smoking at all.

I like the eugenics idea above, that will solve a lot of the problems.

I have to admit I've never understood why this one is a big deal.

Graham that was an example to make a point. In reality I have no problem with my son playing on his Xbox however as a parent I have to realise that the time on said Xbox needs to be limited and only part of the multitude of things he should focus on.
For example we always allow him to play on it at weekends for up to 90 minutes (if we are not out all day etc) it suits me for him to play on it early in the morning, he can then focus on other things without looking forward to playing on it later. This works for us then he is happy to ride his bike, go for a walk, play football etc.
The point of the story is that he uses Xbox live to gameplay with school friends and whenever that 90 minutes is scheduled through the day when he picks up his headset he always plays with the same small group of boys. If his playtime is 7am or 6pm the same boys are almost always online the whole time. It concerns me that many of them play upwards of 8hrs per day!

"Irrelevent of kids, these people also vote!"
Sadly (or luckily, depending on your viewpoint) they rarely do, and in my experience, they feel generally unaffected and disconnected from trivialities such as 'politics'. When working with patient's families, I am all too often left with a sinking feeling that we've got the wrong person in care, and I often hear comments from colleagues such as 'it was no surprise' or 'with a background like that, they never stood a chance'. One of the obvious answers would be earlier intervention, but then you get the idiots in the media ranting about 'interfering busybodies', etc. Screwed either way, really. 😐
PS, my 'eugenics' comment was supposed to be ironic.

Sounds like you have a pretty healthy balance there surfer.

Parenting is hard work, you need lots of will power to face down a demanding 3 year old believe me. When crap food is so available and money not an issue its not surprising that lazy ignorant parents will give in and let little Jimmy have a lolly for breakfast because at the end of the day it means a easy life…. its just lazyness.

Just because its hard to make a 3 year old eat something they don't want to, does not mean you give up and give then refined sugar instead.

Never has "Everything in moderation" been more true and more lacking.

Failedengineer:
Do we read into your comments that you're also for a low socio-economic group, with low education, low social status and clearly drug issues (tobacco & nicotine)?
Are you also from Liverpool? 😉

failedengineer – Member
I get a little peed off when the health professionals blame smoking for just about everything – surely having a cig outside can't harm your child's ear (as stated in the programme)?

Are you that male who was profiled in the programme, sitting in the corner of the room surrounded by his drugs, unable and unwilling to accept some home truths about his son's medical condition and your drug addiction?

Shame on you Sir.

surfer – Member
It is also the "largest and busiest childrens hospital in Europe" and is world renowned.
It is based in Liverpool but as Mitch says it is typical of many hospitals in the UK but polarised due to the fact that is specialises in the treatment of children

It's also a tertiary centre, so takes kids from outside the greater Liverpool area, largely based upon the business model that has pervaded the NHS in recent years. Long gone are the days where it served just Liverpool.

I'd say that programme could have been made in any of the specialist kids hospitals across the country with similar outcomes, considering that Type 2 diabetes risk is increased in obesity and that gentically this is more prevalent among asian populations I'm somewhat surprised that AHCH was chosen as the area doesn't have a significant population of minority ethinics, if we follow the US trend then in a few years time possibly 30% of kids diagnosed with diabetes will be diagnosed with obesity related T2DM vs the small 1-2% of kids diagnosed now. I know for a fact that AHCH have caucasian obsese T2DM kids on their populations, I think it was mentioned but skirted around somewhat in the programme last night.

No denying parenting is hard work, it is making the child in the first place that is the easy part, I used to work with a paediatrician whose suggestion was to have contraception in the water, prospective parents to take a test, then get the antidote!

As a spicies, in the developed world at least, we're making the gene pool so much weaker, our population is showing all manner of signs of fractures and weaknesses which are shot through our society, with no end in sight or any real solutions to these issues we're now facing.

I think I'll bury my head in the sand and will someone call me when it's OK to come out again!

I think one of the key issues these days is parents want to be friends with their children and any unpopular parenting decisions are viewed as a personal failure.

I am very strict with my two and it does make me the bad guy at times but bottom line for me is better that than I end up with idiots for children.

If the wont eat what they are given they don't eat, their resolve usually last all of about ten minutes. How many times I've heard "well if you don't want that what would you like?" Bollocks, that's what we've got – eat or don't eat but you're not having anything else.

I expect I'm old fashioned and a tyrant but I don't care, my boys both kissed me goodnight unbidden yesterday so I expect they aren't too damaged. As for linking money and good parenting, rubbish, I know many fantastic parents who are not at all well off. For me the key for parenting is to actually give a shit about your kids the ignorant shitbags on that programme patently didn't. This is one of the few things that gets me all Daily Mail..

Totally agree Jools.

I always come across as the evil ogre with other parents. I will come down on my kids if i see them doing wrong and tbh i am not backwards at telling other kids off if i see them doing wrong.

Only this morning i was waiting for my son to get on the school bus and 20 kids were fighting over themselves to be near the front of the queue to get on. Its unbelievably dangerous because the bus was still moving. I warned them to step back but they took not a moments notice ( decided not to push the issue). All except my own son who quietly took one step backwards. I winked, he smiled and got safely on the bus.

Agreed joolsburger.

many people have children who shouldn't

Clearly….

Absolutely agree joolsburger. The thing is just because you are strict on some things as a parent does not mean that your children don't love you or have fun with you in 10 mins time. If they throw a strop at not getting a treat then I say fine come and talk to me when you have calmed down and can be polite otherwise stay out of my sight. 10 mins later after a bit of a play / sulk in their room they re-appear and say sorry and its all smiles. You just have to set the tone from day 1 and stick to it.