Singletrack Decide Not To Cover the Danny MacAskill Playboy Video

What rider are you watching here?

Dunno, is it not a screen shot from a Herbal Essences advert?

Hypothetically, any video that shows it for what it really is: a fun, challenging and rewarding sport that all genders can enjoy?

Show me one… show me a vid that doesn’t move the bias towards MTB’s being a blokes sport (other than a womans dhill WC event)

Hey, be offended and outraged all you want guys, but look at your own lives before judging others.

Hey, thanks for the invite, but I, along with everyone else here, am not outraged or offended.

Hey, be offended and outraged all you want guys, but look at your own lives before judging others.

Sexist. 😐

Weeksy theres been a few recent pinkbike articles and videos about womens riding and wasn’t there that film with only women riding in it a while back? Can’t remember what it was called.

this thread reminds me why I need to stop reading this forum so much, all the hand wringers and pc bollocks is boring at best.

Show me one… show me a vid that doesn’t move the bias towards MTB’s being a blokes sport (other than a womans dhill WC event)

Any video that shows women as active participants rather than giggling spectators in bikinis would be a start, but here are two pretty decent examples after a two-minute YouTube search:

here are two pretty decent examples after a two-minute YouTube search

took me far less time than that 🙂

this thread reminds me why I need to stop reading this forum so much, all the hand wringers and pc bollocks is boring at best.

Get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich then.

Or this one from the latest Mid Week Mini Movies[/url] on this very site:

And just for good measure, here’s a hoppity trials one too:

(Oddly lacking in giggly men cavorting in their budgie-smugglers).

Any video that shows women as active participants rather than giggling spectators in bikinis would be a start, but here are two pretty decent examples after a two-minute YouTube search:

I’d say that 99% of non-biking females would be terrified by these vids and never in a million years would it encourage them to start riding.

Wow! Nice one weeksy 😆

this thread reminds me why I need to stop reading this forum so much, all the hand wringers and pc bollocks is boring at best.

Your negative chi has put me right off my quinoa.

Here’s one to get the birds into riding bikes eh?

I’d say that 99% of non-biking females would be terrified by these vids and never in a million years would it encourage them to start riding.

See there you go, using your view of how women are and saying they’re like this or like that. Exactly the same argument was used by men about women going into the workforce.

I’m sexist, I’m racist, it’s a natural thing to try and pigeonhole people in order to categorize the world. But I try not to be. We as a sport can do better than this. And part of that is looking at the Danny Mac video and calling it out for the sexist that is amateurish and unhelpful.

I’d say that 99% of non-biking females would be terrified by these vids and never in a million years would it encourage them to start riding.

Personally I think you greatly under-estimate “99% of non-biking females”, but if you want something that actually talks about more pedestrian every day utility cycling then:

(Incidentally a video that was originally shown to me by our local cycle campaign, which was founded and headed by women)

Maybe women don’t mountain bike because the average woman doesn’t really like it? Does there have to be an even gender distribution in every sport?

My wife doesn’t like it, she cycles wherever possible on her town bike and she’ll happily come out with me on the road bike or go for a run but has very little interest in mountain biking in much the same way that I have very little interest in piloxing or horse riding. I think a large proportion of our female friends are ‘sporty’, most compete in one sport or another and only one of them that I know of regularly rides a MTB.

FWIW the main reasons they don’t ride offroad is the safety concerns of being isolated in the middle of nowhere and a worry of crashing, nothing to do with girls in bikinis or wearing lycra or being compared to calendar pictures of Niki Gudex.

http://www.redbull.com/uk/en/bike/events/1331652981544/red-bull-foxhunt-rachel-atherton-bike-2014

Red Bull at it again, referring to a female mtber as a fox. First the bunnies and now this, how sexist can one energy drink/marketing house be?

FWIW the main reasons they don’t ride offroad is the safety concerns of being isolated in the middle of nowhere and a worry of crashing

Sorry but this makes me so mad. If you really really want to do something you’ll do it!

Jeez, I broke my collar bone when cycling on my own and I just had to deal with it. I’ve had mechanicals too.

Actually I’ll shut up now. 😀

I can’t even have a packet of crisps without oppressing women 🙁

Hmm. Maybe I would be better off having a chocolate bar instead….

Noooooooooooooooo!

At least you can have a Yorkie bar

Sorry but this makes me so mad. If you really really want to do something you’ll do it!

That’s the general gist of my ‘argument’ though, they don’t really want to do it. There are other sports that they enjoy which don’t expose them to those perceived risks.

First, I agree with the stance taken by singletrack and their decision to be vocal (albeit in a very limited way) about it, so credit to them for that.

Secondly, threads like this are an excellent way of exposing just how pervasive and unthinking everyday sexism and misogyny continue to be (and by-the-by allowing monumental bellends and the sadly feebleminded to out themselves) so long may it continue.

The problem I have with the video is mainly the role of the women in the video, what they are doing. They do nothing and contribute nothing to the content of the video. They are (literally) a backdrop, incidental to the action. As such they are reduced to the level of scenography, of objects. Conceivably then they could be replaced by anyone (or anything) and the video could be shot exactly the same and remain of more-or-less the same interest, value, or meaning. That they are there, appearing as they appear, and doing what they do is therefore telling . Even more so when (AFAIK) they are the only women to appear in any of Macaskill’s many videos* – suggesting that that the version of womanhood represented here is the only one that is valued.

The video, as many others have said above, implies that biking is something that men do, and if there are girls around then their role is to watch (and ideally look pretty). It constitutes a narrow vision of how women ought to appear and behave, and offers an image of cycling that I don’t want to be associated with.

*apart from his mam’s voice in Imaginate (?)

bajsyckel – Member

The video, as many others have said above, implies that biking is something that men do, and if there are girls around then their role is to watch (and ideally look pretty). It constitutes a narrow vision of how women ought to appear and behave, and offers an image of cycling that I want to be associated with.

Can’t help but think there’s a “don’t” missing from that paragraph?

😉 Ninja editing there Jamie

Maybe women don’t mountain bike because the average woman doesn’t really like it?

The average man doesn’t like it either, so I’m not sure what your point is?

Red Bull at it again, referring to a female mtber as a fox. First the bunnies and now this, how sexist can one energy drink/marketing house be?

I think you’ll find Rachel, being the chaser, is a hound.

doh!

stumpy01 – Member

Can’t help but think there’s a “don’t” missing from that paragraph?

Thanks. Adds stealthy edit to try and look less of a monumental bellend. 😆

The foxhunt was done first with Gee…

Secondly, threads like this are an excellent way of exposing just how pervasive and unthinking everyday sexism and misogyny continue to be (and by-the-by allowing monumental bellends and the sadly feebleminded to out themselves) so long may it continue.

exactly.

on another note, are you in Sweden bajscykel?

@ howsyourdad – no.

I think you’ll find Rachel, being the chaser, is a hound.

doh!

Ahem … “riders will set off on a head start before Rachel Atherton chases them down with the aim of passing as many of them as possible to knock them out of the race. The only race where the hunters become the hunted!”

Double doh! to you!

…it was first done with Gee…

but here are two pretty decent examples after a two-minute YouTube search:

watching the second was weird to see someone so small/slim throwing a bike around, guess it’s coz 99.9% of vids are blokes riding. 1st vid they had DH pyjamas on (not sure if they had pads on underneath aswell) so wasn’t as obvious.

I quite like Red Bull mind. I’s very refreshing early in the morning on a long drive.
The guy who owns red bull is an Austrian called Dietrich Mateschitz who comes from a little village in Styria. He has invested heavily in the area and given many millions towards local charities, schools, helping entrepreneurs and many other things.
He also owns a tv channel and has a magazine, both of which have nothing to do with extreme sports

http://www.servustv.com/at/

It’s not a drinks company.
I’s many companies that happen to have a drink for sale.

I’d say that 99% of non-biking females would be terrified by these vids

My gast is truly flabbered by that statement. I would say more but simply cannot come up with the words.

iolo – Member

I quite like Red Bull mind. I’s very refreshing early in the morning on a long drive.
The guy who owns red bull is an Austrian called Dietrich Mateschitz who comes from a little village in Styria. He has invested heavily in the area and given many millions towards local charities, schools, helping entrepreneurs and many other things.
He also owns a tv channel and has a magazine, both of which have nothing to do with extreme sports

http://www.servustv.com/at/

It’s not a drinks company.
I’s many companies that happen to have a drink for sale.

Did someone order the inconsequential?

Big steaming plate of inconsequential for someone here

Anyone?

The average man doesn’t like it either, so I’m not sure what your point is?

My point is that the apparent majority of people criticising the video are doing so because they perceive sexism within the MTB community is putting women off mountain biking. In my experience this is not the case and women chose other sports for a variety of other reasons.

FWIW I don’t particularly like the video, it’s a bit rubbish.

Did someone order the inconsequential?

Big steaming plate of inconsequential for someone here

Anyone?

99 percent of this thread is inconsequential so I thought I’d add to it.
With the hope that this bloody thread might come to an end

Maybe women don’t mountain bike because the average woman doesn’t really like it?

Or maybe most girls/women are not drawn to it and never even try it because they are consistently told that it is a sport for boys and they have no positive images of women enjoying it?

If you want to see the same thing in reverse then just think of netball. A sport that many men would probably enjoy but they never take part in because it is seen as a girl’s sport.

These stereotypes can and do change if they are properly challenged. The rise of women’s rugby is a good example.

Does there have to be an even gender distribution in every sport?

Of course not, but sports should be accessible and welcoming for all genders.