[Closed] Salsa Fargo Owners

Tour Divide duties next summer

Do you keep a blog? I'm fascinated reading any TD stuff.

Good luck!

The new [url= http://m.specialized.com/gb/gb/bikes/fitness/awol/awol-deluxe ]Specialized AWOL[/url] looks pretty good - probably a fair bit cheaper than a Fargo too. Tour Divide looks like an amazing project - good luck!

moonter has a nice looking fargo. going touring with him on Friday....plenty of pics will be posted.

Use mine for everything from general off road to commuting with the wee one on the back to road bike action in Mallorca. A very versatile bike. Not superlight but built with load carrying in mind. The position is upright meaning it is comfy for multiple hours in the saddle. I run mine with Specialized Captain S works tyres which are good as a road / off road compromise. It feels stiff and slightly harsh when the tyres are pumped up so either run them a little soft or get a suspension seatpost. I love the Woodchipper bars for comfort and the feel great on the drops driving into corners on descents.

The new ones have a carbon fork and alternator drop outs so will be lighter overall and offer flexibility if you like single speeding.

I run a large and am 6 foot 1 and a bit!

Cheers

Sanny

I would also recommend the Vaya, I run mine with either conti touring tyres for road / fire road duties, and was pleasantly surprised to find I can run 29 x 1.75 / 1.8s for more off road biased adventures.

It's a really nicely finished frame...I .really rate Salsa. 🙂

Can't help on the test ride as I'm in Suffolk but I can say that if I could only keep one bike it'd be the Fargo. To quantify my fussiness I've chopped and changed through 6 MTBs & 2 Roadbikes since 2011.

As for getting an AWOL ugh. It's the Stumpy MK1 all over again. Let someone else get an idea popular and copy it. 😉

In all seriousness, isn't an AWOL more like a Vaya, has it room for full size MTB tyres?

Apparently you can run 2.2 x 29 tyres in it? I'm generally not a big fan of spesh but I do like the idea of these on road, off road, do it all bikes and I found the wearegoingawol blog really interesting.

surly lht is another candidate.

2 friends did the Tour d'Afrique on Salsa Vaya's. They're home now and still riding them, so must have been pretty happy with them.

XL Fargo here, plus I also have a Vaya

I've done 2 fully loaded tours (panniers etc) and numerous S24O's with frame bags etc with my Fargo, and as much as I like the Vaya I'd choose the Fargo if one of them had to go

as for the tour divide, I'm hoping to be able to do it next year as a tour over about 3 months, its the fargo that will be with me

The Gryphon is very similar in concept and Sam has a number of riders who have done quite well in the TD, sure he'd be able to put you in touch with them 🙂

I've had mine a few years now and they're fabulous bikes.

Never done any real touring on it as its been more of a commuter/winter bike. Super comfy, especially with the 2.35" big apples on it. Ploughs through everything in its stride and has been faultless over 4000+ miles.

Mines in Brum but its an XXL so not much good for test rides for others!

Lucky man. 🙂

Fargo will be the bike I swap my SIR.9 for. (Eventually).

I've a 56cm Vaya you're more than welcome to try for size?
I'm in Northwich, so only about 30mins from Manchester.

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Here's mine in "day out" mode. I also have Tubus racks and panniers and it handles well loaded up. Done a few multi day trips but nothing epic. It's an XL, I'm 6'2" and could equally well have gone for an L, but this is the frame that turned up in the classifieds first. Bell Lap bars on mine, mix of XT and 105 for a do anything gear range.

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fantastic looking bike that.
I love em....proper business like. surly are my faves tho

I loaned Chipps Fargo for a while.

I felt it was cumbersome, and though it may be great with a heavy load, if you're thinking of riding with any haste, I'd go for something else.

A couple of Fargo/Gryphon comparisons

dirtstories.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/first-ride-singular-gryphon.html?m=1

twentynineinches.com/2010/08/02/salsa-cycles-fargo-vs-singular-cycles-gryphon/

I've got a notion to ride the divide on my Fargo too, but as a tourer not a racer.

Boblo and I did a Trans Scotland on / off road ride earlier this year and the bike was great.
http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/mcandmilesgofromskyetomontrose

It is a heavy bike though. That surprised me until I rode it laden off road, it barely flexes under those conditions either. So its built that way for a purpose.

I'm using really heavy Schwalbe Marathon XR tyres, these blunt the speed a bit, but they are near indestructible. I've got Bell Lap bars on mine, I like them, but have not tried Woodchippers to compare. We rode some badass descents quite happily on the hoods.

It's a great all round off road tourer. I'm tempted by a Vaya too, but I already have a nice steel Roberts that carried me across America.

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I do want a Fargo...
And I need to get out and tour.

Mcmoonter...what size is yours...and how tall are you ??

I'm 6'2" and on a large, it suits me fine, equally I could have gone for a XL probably, I'd use the Salsa sizing guide but be aware of the amount of frame slope and the TT length.

I agree the frame is well finished, but so was my Singular Swift.

I'd say Salsa do spec a nice build with quality parts on their built bikes, of course buying a frame and building it up yourself is more fun, albeit more expensive. I like knowing there is not another built the same as mine.

In terms of anything as robust and versatile as a Fargo or Gryphon, designed for drop bars, probably not; not without going custom, in which case take a look at Shand.

Thanks for the replies folks 🙂 I've been picking brains a bit and dug out most of those articles in my searching. Hence trying to get bum time on a Fargo as I know the medium is just a teeny bit too small... or at least I think it is.

@duffer: there will be bloggage. Mostly just my normal ranting and whining though. Lead in will probably be much the same as the Highland Trail race...just...well more. Link in my profile.

@richpips: It'll be the Ti one...not the heavy metal one if I get one 🙂 As for fast.. sub 20days, not Mr. Hall fast, I am hopefully being realistic.

As for the AWOL...ehh no. It's not a Fargo in disguise, more like the Vaya in its aims, gravel racing and all that.

May just pop Sam an email over the Gryphon, see if anyone round these parts has one....it may be a little different to what I want though.

Mcmoonter...what size is yours...and how tall are you ??

I'm a bit over six foot tall, but I have shortish legs. The frame is a medium. I measured the stand over height against my Flux and it was similar, so went for the medium over a large. The top tube really slopes to make for a stiff main triangle, I used a 410mm seatpost. I think I could do with a 10 or 20mm longer stem though. As it is I have a fairly upright position which is fine off road but it feels a bit strange on road. It's a compromise.

I'm 5' 11" and find the large perfect.

Here fully laden for 3 days on the WRT

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Nice 🙂

How do you find it on technical or semi technical riding? Not that theres much on the Tour Divide, or so I am told.

Always has to be a haterz - and i hated mine, sorry and to be fair it is designed to be loaded up with a lot of kit while i used mine unladen mostly.

I rode mine unloaded and it was easily the most over rated bike i have bought - and the last bought on internet reports of a bike.
I found it heavy - too heavy compared to a road bike for err, road speed 🙂
And then far to ridged for offroad, it was awfull compared to the Karate Monkey frameset i sold to build it (the build is back on a KM and loving it) i was just sore after every ride, shaken to bits off road - i blame the straight fork.
When i sold the frameset and blogged about it a load of guys posted up the same views about the same opinion of it as i had - on said Fargo? go far away from me! which made me giggle a bit.
Sold it at a big loss too, was no interest in it for ages yet it was minted, went in private sale for under half price. No way was it worth £500 for the frameset. Very dissapointed in the end, be the last Salsa i buy.

Some Fargo owning friends (Steve M and others) mentioned the bars - i used Salsa Bell Laps, but some of those guys that also disliked it said they had tried all types including Woodchippers of and still found it an unforgiving brute.

So least i know i am not alone in not getting on with one - yet some friends swear by them.

Horses for Course 🙂

Doing a bit of Rough Stuff on my Big Brothers old 1987 Peugeot Triathlon which i stuffed some 32mm cx tyres on, nice and bendy frameset and fly`s on the road, a giggle to ride and i have relised why - i have no high expectations of this old road bike but i did for the Fargo. and as a free hand me down with a pair of £24 tyres i love it way more than the Fargo 🙂

Here is the blog post comments i had on other ex Fargo owners, but don`t be put off if you have your heart set on one
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I'm 5'10 ....with short-ish legs.....I'm having a look at a small this week ...but I can't help thinking it'll be too small ...we'll see...

Hi Greg

I've a 33 and a bit inside leg and am on the large. A medium would have been too small for me. On my first ride, I thought "Jeez, this is upright!" but the more I have ridden it, the more I really rate mine. The multiple bosses add to the versatility. I am genuinely surprised at how quick it is and love riding on the drops. It has spoiled me for riding my cross bike which barely gets a look in now. The Woodchipper bars have been a revelation in terms of comfort and for control on woodsy singletrack off road. On my local trails, mostly woodland singletrack and open fire roads, the Fargo copes with everything I throw at it.

I run it with a triple and 10 speed set up. I find that the Ultegra shifters work well with an older style top pull XTR front mech and 9 speed XT rear mech as you can place the front mech cable in the inside of the mech to get the right cable pull.

It's funny how a few folk find it cumbersome. I tend not to notice the weight of a bike when I ride it as for me it usually comes down to wheel weight. Having said that, I also ride a Beargrease which despite having wheels that must weight double that of the Fargo, bloody flies along! 😀

Have you also looked at a Steel Jones with the Unicrown fork? I test rode the steel space frame last week with the Truss fork then tried a mates big standard diamond with a fat front end. The former was nice but the latter was a bit of a revelation. About as comfy a rigid bike as I have ever ridden and the weird looking front end bar set up just felt right. I now want one......Have a look at Jeff Jones site for a report by someone who did the divide on his. I really like how the cheapest frame he does was my favourite. it makes a real change as I usually have expensive tastes! 😆

It's funny how some find it harsh, I find it really comfy, laden or otherwise. I'm not suggesting they're lying, just horses for courses I guess.

Descending or dropping into bombholes can be daunting at first but once you've got the hang of it you'll get past anything you could on a regular rigid mtb. The only bit that hasn't lived up to the hype is the brakes, I don't find the BB7s really compare to hydraulics.

Morning all,

@Sanny: The weight of the steel version was putting me off a bit, but I did a quick think about it and figured 'well my SS weighs a lot more than my XC bike and I never notice it'. I just figure that it may be something I'll notice after 20 or so days in a row. Have you had any issues with the fork giving any toe overlap or anything? Or flexing in not good ways?

@jonnystorm: Not the first person I've heard who've said it rides like a a pig when not loaded. Main duties will be loaded, also down the line a bit of touring I expect.

So anyone else out there with ideas??

have you seen the [url= http://www.co-motion.com/index.php/singles/divide ]co motion divide?[/url]

Hi Greg

The weight isn't an issue. If you are riding loaded up, a couple of extra pounds on the frame makes **** all difference. I actually like the fact it isn't super lightweight as I like reliability and strength! I run 719s on XTR hubs with Specialized S works tyres and reckon that is where you are more likely to experience a difference. They are still as true as the day I had them built despite being used for the nursery run with a kiddy seat on the back. The Ti one looks sweet but given how well my steel one rides, I'm in no rush to upgrade. I've had no toe overlap issues whatsoever. I run size ten MT91 boots in the winter with no issues at all while my mate Gary is a twelve and had no issues riding it.

Hope this helps?

Cheers

Sanny

I'm on a medium and no toe overlap without mudguards. I've just put some muckle Planet Bike Cascadia fenders on though, and set up on Mud Xs it's toe lap aplenty.

Should keep me dry though. 🙂

THanks for overlap answers folks. Will probably not have fenders on so major worry there, and I have feet that aren't flippers so should be ok.

Weight is only a worry as I want to have to haul as little bike over parts of the Divide, or to have that weight as food/water rather than frame. However, there is a lot to be said for steel and its ability to be welded if anything goes wrong I suppose :/

Had a peak at the Co-Motion as well....very nice, but I can get a price on the Fargo through work, or another friendly bike shop so it keeps things a little cheaper.

Any reason to post pictures of the best bike I've had
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P.S
Stick some Jones loops on it.

I decided to get the small ....it suites my needs ok .....but I did find I have some toe overlap ...not too much ...I hope it doesn't hamper the technical singletrack much ...

You can have a go on my large if you want, just outside stockport

@Basil - already have a set waiting for them .. well in the shop anyway. How did you find changing the position over on the stem to change to the new bars?

@Merchant-Banker - What beer do you like, and when are you free? 🙂 I'm out in Chorlton area and can spin out to you along the Mersey.

Wanted the most dutch riding position possible, so left the steerer uncut and use a 90mm stem.
Love looking at the scenery and have had too many miles riding head down over the bars.
Bars are wrapped in Spech Roubaix tape, gives lots of positions, the bars are plenty wide for leverage when getting all off road.
And you get real brakes!

Roger roger Basil. Are you on the wider Loops or the 'older' narrow ones?

Sanny - was yours parked up at the Glenmore FC visitor centre last weekend?
Sad as it may seem, I was ogling a Fargo and distinctly remembered the S-Works tyres on it (sad I know).
It was very nice, whosever it was 🙂

The older 660mm loops.Trying to resist the new 710mm bars and a swop to twist shifters

I'm planning on not resisting the new 710mm bars 🙂 I moved onto X0 Twisters a while ago...utter revelation in shifting, love them now. Thus want to keep them for Divide.

Liking the new Alternator dropouts for the 2014 model, looks like it will accomidate everything...bar Gatesdrives 🙂

Had the old XO 9 speed on a Yeti. The new 10 speed twist shifts look to have improved further.
As I have 3 x 9 maybe I don't clean my chain this winter.

Did a sharpish 50 on mine today, along the TPT to Warrington then out to Great Budworth, I think this would be the bike I'd save in a house fire, mines an XL Greg, gen 2 version, they come up quite short compared to a standard road bike, always takes 15 mins to readjust to the riding position

Hi Geoff

Good spot, mister! We're you the guy on the Orange On one or the dude who had the Rab jacket on? I actually assumed that you were looking at my wife's Maverick! Aye, I run it with S Works Captains which are remarkably good and cope will with carrying my daughter on the back. Impressed by your eye for detail. We were up for the week so I was riding that for family fun, my test Giant Trance X for the off road and got to demo a Jones courtesy of Dave at Bothy. Now that is a lovely bike but I reckon the diamond frame with the Unicrown forks is the better bike as it is more comfy and lighter....plus it is half the price!

Cheers

Sanny

Ps Small world eh?

[IMG] [/IMG]I toured across africa on a surly lht and can't praise it enough but for every day use its just too heavy and sluggish.

I looked at buying a Fargo and vaya as I ride a salsa horsethief and I love it but as I wanted it as a road bike, cyclocross bike etc I decided they were just too heavy.

In the end I went for a kinesis tripster and so far its been great. From memory my XL frame weighed 1800g with headset and seatpost clamp. Carbon forks around 700g.

The inboard rear disc mount means the rack and mudguards fit fine. Its not as good fully loaded but does ok. Its best as a cx but holds its own on the road with slicks. It takes upto a 1.5 inch tyre.

That Tripster is very nice! I'd be a bit hesitant for using it on the Divide though :/ Not quite a CX bike I'm looking for...have 2 of them, want bigger rubber up front. But, also want to be able to have the option of doing a bit of sneaky MTB riding on it as well as SS option if it falls to pieces half way round.

yes, If your looking for bombproof get the salsa Fargo.

So I got one of these then:

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Had it nearly two weeks now and done about 250km on it. Mixture of bridleways, trail centre rides, Peak District boulder chutes, and riding to work. Pretty much anything I could try it on as for the first week...I had it on demo.

Honestly, after about 30mins I knew it was right. Unreal. Those bars may look fugly but they work...they really do.

Just out of curiosity (not that I would like one to be my next +1 clearly) what drive train are the drop bar bikes using now as I gather shimano road and mtb no longer talk to each other.

Looks ace Greg!

Looks gorgeous, and great fun.

Drivetrain on mine (green mk1 on p1 of this thread) is 105 triple (3x10) shifters, 105 front triple mech, XT trekking triple chainset (48/36/26), 9 speed XT shadow rear mech, 10 speed 11-36 cassette. Road 10 speed shifters still play with 9 speed rear mechs.

Garage dweller: I've deore 9-speed using the Microshift bar-ends. Not sure what's on the 2014 but I think they've gone to brifters. The SRAM speccd bikes were to begin with.

Anyone had issues with toe overlap on a small 16" Salsa fargo?. I'm thinking about buying one, but none of the bike shops have small ones to try.Any other comments on sizing for a small one ( I'm 5'8").I currently ride a 17" kona 26" mountain bike with midge bars which does road sections, fire road and Lakedistrict singletrack.
Would appreciate any comments!

Yes ..I've a small ...and get some toe overlap ..not too much ....at first it was a bit of a pain ...but you kind of get used to moving your feet to a different position ...not really a problem now ....if your in the south west come and try it ...I'm 5'10. [url= http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2807/9730437657_f13aaed35c_z.jp g" target="_blank">http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2807/9730437657_f13aaed35c_z.jp g"/> [/img][/url]
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Thanks for the offer of a try out, I'm in the Lakes though. Looking at your set up I would be spot on for a small, and with size seven feet might just miss the toe overlap? Like you say, could get used to it. Do you like the bike?.

Love the bike ...but must stop trying to use it as a mountain bike .........I've size 10 feet ...so you could be ok

Why stop using it as a MTB? They are awesome for riding trails on!

Because it realty isn't built for what I'm putting it through ......most trails yes it's ok ...but not too much of the gnar stuff ......