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  • Packraft Build 2019
  • mikeyd
    Free Member

    I’ve been toying with the idea of making one of these for a few years, mainly due to the staggering cost (although I appreciate why).

    There are various DIY offerings out there, DIY packraft and iron raft are a good resource, however I couldn’t find anyone willing to send plans, which is fair enough really considering the amount of design development required and ease of copying, so I’ve developed my own plans.

    It took quite a bit of messing about with Autocad and paper models before coming up with a template that seems to work (at least on paper..)

    Progress so far:

    Development of various designs:
    Model

    1:5 scale model of final design enabling final tweaks:
    Model2
    Model3
    Model4
    Model5

    1:1 paper template
    Template
    Template transfer to material:
    Template2

    Will update as it progresses, probably slowly..

    kayak23
    Full Member

    Wow, cool! Looking forward to watching it progress.

    big_scot_nanny
    Full Member

    Top Work fella!

    I’ve had an Alpackaraft for a few years now, been some great expeditions on it, Bike-rafting and pack/fishing-rafting.

    Its awesome, but when on open water I do always get the fear that its deflating (it never is, just the colder water decreasing the air volume slightly).

    Not sure my stress levels could handle the thought of my own ham-fistedness having built the actual raft itself – so ‘chapeau!’

    db
    Full Member

    WOW

    That is fantastic – following!

    stayhigh
    Full Member

    Awesome, watching with interest 😀

    edhornby
    Full Member

    have you costed it and compared to the cost of the alpkit and PX ones??

    brant
    Free Member

    £200 off our packrafts because we’re too far ahead of the curve.

    https://www.planetx.co.uk/c/q/outdoor/packrafts?deal=toosoon200

    This looked interesting btw – https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/uncharted-rapid-raft-world-s-lightest-pack-raft#/

    but our supplier said:-

    If make similar type like uncharted rapid raft , very thin materail and no any equipments, But it is too weak and too high risk , we will have too many complaints to solve

    Greybeard
    Free Member

    the alpkit … ones

    What, Alpkit selling packrafts – that’s worth a look – sadly, I think that was an autocorrect for Alpaca?

    mikeyd
    Free Member

    Alpacka ~ £800+
    Planet X ~ £500 with discount
    Second hand ~ £400+
    DIY ~ £120 materials

    However, even though I said cost was a factor in making one, if they were cheaper I’d probably still try and make one… you either get it or you don’t when it comes to making stuff that probably costs as much and doesn’t perform as well in the end.

    mikeyd
    Free Member

    Progress Update:

    Shapes cut out:
    Packraft 1

    Temperature test – 180 degrees no good, 200 and 220 material is inseperable
    Packraft 2

    All shapes joined to centre, double layer bottom which will be inflatable on its own
    Packraft 3

    Sealing the curved parts to together, hardest part so far with each seam taking around 45mins (10 in total)
    Packraft 4

    8 curved seams complete so far, next step is to aquasure/glue them internally to ensure they are air tight
    Packraft 5

    Time taken so far: 2hrs tracing and cutting, 10hrs seam sealing

    mikeyd
    Free Member

    Getting there now:

    Valves for inflatable floor – armband valves, 1 c/w 1 way valve the other one has the 1 way valve removed for ease of deflation. Not really a critical part of the packraft so the extra failure point isn’t really an issue.
    pr1

    It works! jump test confirmed it’s airtight and not going to pop
    pr2

    95% complete, the Boston valve hasn’t arrived yet, fingers crossed it’ll arrive today. The last front and rear seams were very awkward and took ages, hopefully I’ve heat sealed them enough to get a good bond.
    pr3

    Time to start thinking about a paddle, tempted to cut an existing one into 4 at the moment but have seen some nice homemade carbon creations, however, material costs alone would be ~£50

    rOcKeTdOg
    Full Member

    STW members never fail to impress with their creativity. Awesome work

    Joe
    Full Member

    This is bonkers!

    damascus
    Free Member

    you either get it or you don’t when it comes to making stuff that probably costs as much and doesn’t perform as well in the end.

    I totally get this. I’ve made a fair bit of my own gear over the years. I enjoy making them, take pride using them and know how to fix them. That said, if they fail, I won’t sink!

    We’ll done, really impressed with this.

    How easy was it to use the seam sealer and how expensive was it? Would you be able to use it to make bags? How heavy is the material?

    Keep up the good work

    whitestone
    Free Member

    Impressed!

    I believe one of the “build your own” companies mentioned are basically an Alpacka clone (being careful with exact wording here!).

    Comparing costs Stateside with here for Alpacka rafts and you’ve the usual dollar-pound numerical equivalence though with the pound going the way it has that might not be any fiscal difference at all in the near future! Looking at Alpacka rafts there’s quite a few variations from “expedition” to “white water”, no idea what the design differences are but there’s obviously work gone into that which will be built into the pricing.

    Good timing as well – we are off on a packrafting “taster”/gettogether this weekend. I’ll try and get some shots and post a trip report next week.

    kayak23
    Full Member

    Brilliant. Can’t wait to see it float 🚣

    kittyr
    Free Member

    I am eagerly awaiting a photo of the raft on the water. Amazingly impressed by this build!

    hamishthecat
    Free Member

    I trust the children won’t miss their armbands the next time they go to the pool…

    mikeyd
    Free Member

    How easy was it to use the seam sealer and how expensive was it? Would you be able to use it to make bags? How heavy is the material?

    Seam sealer is a modified RC model film iron, was about £18 IIRC.
    Fabric is approx 265g per sqm, packraft weighs in at approx 1400g so far (without valve)
    Definitely suitable for bag or outdoor kit fabrication, I believe it’s used for life jackets and other safety gear.

    mikeyd
    Free Member

    I trust the children won’t miss their armbands the next time they go to the pool…

    It’s ok, I only used one arm band

    mikeyd
    Free Member

    She’s alive!

    Bow view
    pr1

    Stern view
    pr2

    Underside – notice the tubes being pulled “in” slightly, this is due to the inflatable floor.
    pr3

    pr4

    ben
    Free Member

    Great effort! Very impressed, looking forward to seeing photos of its maiden voyage.

    brant
    Free Member

    Planet X ~ £500 with discount

    Now £377

    Rik
    Free Member

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    Rik
    Free Member

    Awesome self build – inspirational!!!

    brant
    Free Member

    Brant – is that the best price you can do on the spray deck boat? Nearly £250 notes more than the open boat

    Pricing follows Fibonacci numbers so best I can do.

    Rik
    Free Member

    Brant – is that the best price you can do on the spray deck boat? Nearly £250 notes more than the open boat

    brant
    Free Member

    Wow. I know I reply quickly but how have I replied before your post 🤔

    Rik
    Free Member

    Mindreader 👍

    Shame, in cold UK water I think the spaydeck model is the only option but still out of my budget as I’d need 2

    brant
    Free Member

    Drop me a DM.

    whitestone
    Free Member

    The packrafting meetup at Llyn Tegid (Lake Bala) at the weekend had glorious sunshine on Saturday. There were a few packraft companies there – this lot of boats were from Anfibio

    boats

    There were various courses, we took the packrafting 101 having paddled kayaks a total of about half a dozen times over twenty years ago. This covered the basics of inflating & deflating the raft, ingress and egress along with basic safety practices.

    boat

    In the afternoon we’d booked on the “open water wizard” course which covered the effects of wind and terrain on the water, simple rescue techniques, maintaining position on the water (not as easy as it sounds), maintaining a course when there’s cross winds and currents.

    boat

    I tried a different raft for each session and even to a complete novice like myself it was obvious just how different they were to manoeuvre and having a raft that “fits” is pretty important to being able to paddle efficiently. We were using “generic” rafts not those aimed at white water.

    Interesting but it’s not something for me, I’m not a watersports person.

    mikeyd
    Free Member

    Wow, looks like this has turned into a marketing campaign for on-one 😉 DM me to arrange my commission – a paddle will do 🙂

    Looks great Whitestone, maybe I should have done something like that before starting my design.. I thought it would handle like a tractor inner tube compared to a traditional boat so just cracked on.

    I knew this stage would have to be done, but I was kinda hoping I had been thorough with the heat sealing and aqua-sealing: Leak finding: a couple of holes found by sound, but had to do the old water test to find the rest:
    pr1
    pr2

    rogermoore
    Full Member

    This thread is ace, top work mikeyd.
    When does the naming competition start? 😉
    RM.

    whitestone
    Free Member

    One thing I notice with your design that’s different to the commercial offerings is the floor – the commercial rafts have a simple fabric bottom not an inflatable one, it also seems to be a slightly heavier material. Presumably this is for protection as the rafts are single chamber so if you puncture the floor then everything starts to deflate.

    For “comfort” there was a separate inflatable seat and back rest.

    coppice
    Free Member

    Nice work OP, can I ask where you got the material?

    Rik
    Free Member

    Brant Brant Brant – STW instant messaged you last night.

    OP – still amazing work btw wish I had the talent and time

    brant
    Free Member

    Brant Brant Brant – STW instant messaged you last night.

    I’ve just gone through pricing and looking at cost, how few we have left, and what we have available, I can’t go any lower.

    T-Zip ones are same price as SprayDeck only ones, and paddles are v cheap.

    So no movement sorry. Certainly the best price for this quality anywhere.

    mikeyd
    Free Member

    Plans to make a paddle were scuppered by Planet-X’s bargain paddle – DIY materials were going to be around £40 and their Carbon/Nylon offering was £55. At just over 1kg, it’s lighter than a few of the big name 4-piece paddles and has been designed so each piece is the same length which is great.

    A bargain compared to something like this, similar weight, 6x the price and the pieces are different lengths.. http://wernerpaddles.com/paddles/packraft/pack-tour-m

    pd1

    Total weight of the setup including paddle and mini USB air pump 2925g.the commercial offerings come in around 3-4kg for the packraft alone.
    pd2

    Possible sea trials tomorrow as long as the weather isn’t too bad..

    damascus
    Free Member

    How much does the Life jacket weigh?

    rOcKeTdOg
    Full Member

    has anyone notified the coastguard?, last post was 3 days ago!

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