It means exactly what it says and makes no mention of collapse- it says it will cost more and even you accept this with the statement

it could go to NHS England for more money

It is a complete straw man and /or utter stupidity, to claim it states the NHS will collapse without scotlands money.

Let us get this back on track shall we. iScotland will not have the same access to healthcare in the UK that it does at the moment. Wan has provided figures that prove it will only cost the whole of the UK £8 million and that is not totally money down the drain because it means that services will not have been provided therefore less cost. iScotland will be able to get these services from the UK on a case by case basis or it can go anywhere else for them. What Scotland will lose is access to UK wide seamless healthcare.

Let us get this back on track shall we.

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What Scotland will lose is access to UK wide seamless healthcare.

What does that mean? Scots won’t get treatment when visiting England?

It seems reasonable that the UK NHS will take Scottish patients in return for payment. I suspect there be a bit more beaurocracy (ie delay) to get treatments approved but that should be about it.

iScotland will not have the same access to healthcare in the UK that it does at the moment.

Any evidence for this?

Wan has provided figures that prove it will only cost the whole of the UK £8 million and that is not totally money down the drain because it means that services will not have been provided therefore less cost.

It would not be a cost to the rUK of £8m, it would be a loss of £8m in custom for specialist departments in the rUK, which may be enough to not make them viable to continue running as they are.

iScotland will be able to get these services from the UK on a case by case basis or it can go anywhere else for them. What Scotland will lose is access to UK wide seamless healthcare.

Any evidence to support the idea that NHS Scotland gets seamless access to specialist departments in England at this moment in time?

Any evidence for this?

No. But can you name another country that does?

It would not be a cost to the rUK of £8m, it would be a loss of £8m in custom for specialist departments in the rUK, which may be enough to not make them viable to continue running as they are.

In your opinion.

Any evidence to support the idea that NHS Scotland gets seamless access to specialist departments in England at this moment in time?

I got the following from google.

NSD funds services provided in England through two distinct funding streams:
*a contribution to the NHS England for Scottish access to highly specialist services which are provided on a UK basis. Access is ensured through a service agreement.
* by managing a pool of funds (risk share scheme) on behalf of NHS Boards to pay for individual patient referrals for a “prescribed” list of specialised services in England which are not included in the service agreement with NHS England.

What does that mean? Scots won’t get treatment when visiting England?

Ben if you fall of your tricycle while visiting the superior trails south of the border I am sure we will patch you up and send you back. 😉

Just as with cost, you’re confusing “seamless to the patient” with “seamless to the NHS”.

I got the following from google.

I got it from your link on the previous page
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/osbourne-says-no-to-currency-union/page/144#post-6037997

Where is the dog chasing its tail GIF?

It seems reasonable that the UK NHS will take Scottish patients in return for payment. I suspect there be a bit more beaurocracy (ie delay) to get treatments approved but that should be about it.

THIS because the alternative costs rUK and adds costs for the reasons already stated
I doubt anyone will convince you and if they do you will just ask for us to get the debate back on track

Junkyard I don’t understand a word you say. Now take the following statement,

THIS because the alternative costs rUK and adds costs for the reasons already stated
I doubt anyone will convince you and if they do you will just ask for us to get the debate back on track

Just what on earth do you mean, no punctuation and poor English do not a proper sentence make?

It would appear most stuff is incomprehensible to you so why not just do what you normally do and just make up any old nonsense from the collection of words in front of you

no comment on forgetting you had linked to that before …shall we just get back on track again 😉

There is nowhere for this to go and it will just get even ruder

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/independent-scotland-would-need-to-apply-for-eu-says-danish-minister-1.1808535

Not exactly a detailed article. If anyone has a link to the broadcast post pls.

The Dane joins the list of distinguished members of the 3Bs club. Quite an impressive list of members now. Wonder why!?!?

Did you read it ? It is as close to an appeal to authority as it is to a fact and i am nit even sure it is accurate.
The only direct quite is him saying there are ” quite strict rules”- who would disagree?
He has only been the minister since Feb so it is unlikely he is an expert on this issue hence me claiming an appeal.
Like the poster I cannot find any proof or link re the accuracy of the article which is incredibly brief and not unbiased as it finishes with

Mr Lidegaard is correct that Scotland would formally have to pass such tests as a new candidate, rather than as a member state trying to renegotiate its membership under Article 49 of the European Union treaties, as the Scottish National Party has argued, even if Scotland would have no difficulty passing the tests.

I am not even sure it is true for him never mind the danes and he certainly does not speak for the EU.

Agree with the poster we need more info and given the partisan nature of the article and limited direct quote , which clealry doe snot say what they claim, I cannot see why anyone would take it on face value and neither would THM if it did not support his view

More info needed IMHO but i would lean towards media BS if i had to say for definite just now

I have e-mailed his press people for an answer

I doubt I will get a reply but if i do I will pass it on

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b044bckh

17 minutes in

He seemed pretty clear about it!

The Dane joins the list of distinguished members of the 3Bs club. Quite an impressive list of members now. Wonder why!?!?

Greenland?

I have always been impressed by your ability to find the obscurest of links – saddly they usually give me a kicking but no arguing with facts

17 34 – we do not have an official opinion on the issue – letting scotland in support or oppose

Absolutely clear as day that Denmarks position is to apply the coppehngaen criteria to Scotland as a new member state as they do to all

Cheers but i think you enjoyed it more than me 😉

The UK does not have any reciprocal healthcare agreements with other foreign countries

Will Scots be able to seek treatment at the specialist centre of excellence for head trauma after independence? Because all of this face palming is going to take its toll.

konabunny – Member
Will Scots be able to seek treatment at the specialist centre of excellence for head trauma after independence? Because all of this face palming is going to take its toll.

Especially after discovering we now have a UKIP MEP… 🙂

Will Scots be able to seek treatment at the specialist centre of excellence for head trauma after independence? Because all of this face palming is going to take its toll.

Not a problem for me – Glaswegian males are born with extra-thick foreheads, originally used for sparring over women.

Can’t you just airbrush the UKIP MEP? That’s the normal trick!

Looks a bit of a bruiser judging by the photo in the Scotsman this morning?

Can’t you just airbrush the UKIP MEP?

A bit racist of you to suggest the MEP’s skin colour should be changed artificially.

Besides, it would just wash off in the constant horizontal rain.

😀 kona

A rising UKIP vote is generally good for yS – (1) the contrast between Scotland and rUK and (2) proves people are happy to swallow unsubstantiated BS. The more UKIP are accused of being racist the higher the vote. The more the lies of yS are exposed, the higher the polls. One of the interesting dynamics of the current political world.

Well, it’s made me decide I don’t care any more. I don’t care if we get a currency union, I don’t care if we get kicked out of the EU and NATO, I don’t care if it costs me money. I want out.

That Euro election result showed me that those are all prices worth paying to get away from the toxic, xenophobic politics south of the border.

Did you say/mean “south” or “north” there Ben?!? 😉

A populiist anti-establishment/Europe vs a populist anti-establishment/Westminster/Tory

Hmmm……

Well, it’s made me decide

Yes it was hard to tell which way you were leaning before so I am glad you have got off the fence. 😉
now we just need to clear up how THM would vote, I would ask but I dont want to be accused of trolling.

Yes it was hard to tell which way you were leaning before so I am glad you have got off the fence.

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It’ll be interesting to see what it does to polling – I’m sure it’ll harden the Yes vote, but what it’ll do to undecided and No voters I don’t know, quite a few No people have been crowing about Scotland getting a UKIP MEP – maybe that’ll push more moderate No people away, one can only hope.

now we just need to clear up how THM would vote, I would ask but I dont want to be accused of trolling

UKIP, Watching Farage it is clear they share the same scriptwiter.

Still misrepresenting folk, Ducks? Any sign of me supporting UKIP/Farage in either style or content? Given the similarities with the DO, I doubt it somehow.

Nice edit. Well, based on what you post and seeing him on the news,the similarities are incredible. I was just waiting on him making up strange nicknames for politicians, you know,just like you do.

Still misrepresenting folk, Ducks

would you like to claim that your view of AS is balanced and not misrepresenting him?
Would you like to claim that saying that the SNP were worse than UKIP was not misrepresenting

It is not trolling to point out you do the very things you accuse others of – you even said DO in your post 🙄 You say troll as you know you can offer no credible defence of your behaviour on this thread.

FWIW I would never ever accuse you of being in the same camp as farage or UKIP. You are in no way shape or form a racist or a little englander and , this thread/issue aside, you are an entirely rational individual with factually based views that I rarely agree with.
you are not a fan of the EU but I cannot imagine you have ever considered voting UKIP either.

Thank you, glad you like it. Well 100% misrepresentation trend in tact ducks and without straining a muscle. If you can be bothered I would love to see any similarity – I am pro Europe, pro freedom of movement of people, pro immigration, pro the use of facts rather than lies. Granted I am anti a fixed exchange rate in Europe but that is for different reasons than Farage. Unlike the UK, Europe does not satisfy the criteria for an optimism currency area and for that reason the € will ultimately fail. It’s just a matter if timing.

Still if you would like to present an actual fact, that would be refreshing. Vladimir and I are still waiting BTW.

tell them it happens just after you answer mine/ernies question about how the SNP are worse than the EU

Sorry for getting the EU wrong i mistook dislike of the Euro for dislike of the EU- sincere whether taken or not but I think we both know the answer to that one.

konabunny – Member
A bit racist of you to suggest the MEP’s skin colour should be changed artificially.
Besides, it would just wash off in the constant horizontal rain.

The horizontal rain and midgies are why we Scots generally aren’t concerned about immigration… 🙂

I think from now on we can ignore any promises/threats made by LibDem ministers. They won’t exist after the next General Election.

Well, it’s made me decide I don’t care any more. I don’t care if we get a currency union, I don’t care if we get kicked out of the EU and NATO, I don’t care if it costs me money. I want out.

That Euro election result showed me that those are all prices worth paying to get away from the toxic, xenophobic politics south of the border.

If I could vote, that would be the stongest argument for me too. The Westminster bickering on the EU is beyond belief, and now UKIP have had some success, it’s going to get worse!

I wonder if UKIP’s success is because folk are getting fed up of parties that pander to large corporations and legislate for their interests in return for large election fund donations.

What I want to know is how much of UKIP’s success is down to the media – especially the BBC. Imagine what it would have been like if the Greens got as much airtime as UKIP.

What I’ve been noticing is that this is making people south of the border aware of what we’ve been saying for ages – the BBC is in no way impartial.

Of course it’s the fault of the BBC that UKIP won a seat in Scotland. It’s always the fault of the BBC. I read that somewhere.

BBC Scotland gave UKIP 4 times as much airtime as the SNP. You don’t think that might have had some effect?

Looks like there is a possibility that the elected UKIP Scottish member fudged his address for the election.

UKIP MEP dodgy address