Jeremy Corbyn

Macdonell the Marxist 😉 today acknowledging that being in the EU wouldn't prohibit their nationalisation plans.

Sensing the wind is changing re brexshit, I like it!

The Tory campaign was shite for sure, but Labour faced a much bigger hill to climb and they surprised us all (even us 6th form socialists) with an an impressively disciplined campaign (when Abbott was kept out of the spotlight) .
The Tories have continued on in the same shambolic vein ever since.

IF the next election comes along corbs will finish the job he started.
Sadly the Tories know this and no matter how bad the **** themselves and the country they'll keep May there until their bonkers Brexit is thru

Cos as far as I am concerned neoliberalism is a rotten cancer.

Absolutely.

MacDonnell might identify as a Marxist, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's an idealogue who's going to zealously force his personal plan on the country - like Tories do. He's intelligent enough to be pragmatic.

However he's trusting that the public are intelligent enough to understand that, rather than just using the Marxist comment as ammo for their mudslinging.

if your own MP's have little faith in you then that's a problem, regardless of the views of the membership & visa versa.

MrLeb a free vote on Fox hunting was in the 2010 Tory manifesto (I believe) and it was in 3 Labour/Blair manifestos before they finally had one.

Constituency Labour Party Chairman not impressed with the Corbynistas job’s for the boys

I hereby resign from being Chair of my CLP, resign from the CLP and resign from the Labour Party. Morecambe and Lunesdale have just had the most set up, one sided and biased selection that has sidelined all 3 excellent, loyal and dedicated local candidates…

“I feel this entire process has been a total set up to impose one particular candidate onto the CLP.

“One candidate felt so bullied and degraded by the harassment she felt subjected to that she withdrew from the selection…

“The Labour Party… is still a corrupt old boys club where people in power get to dictate who stands for Parliament…

“I know that I will be far from the only member to feel this way and withdraw their support from the local and/or national party. I would urge anyone doing so to state their reason in writing to the powers that be. I for one will not be party to this corruption.”

SO jamby is not a fan of the labour party and he is still quoting from Quido

Later tonight will be news about bears in the woods and the Popes religious beliefs

Right, so the right wing are still confusing history.

Lets put it another way. One month before the last election was called would you have thought it possible the result of an election a few weeks in to he future would result in a hung parliament? Would you have thought, at that time that if the result was a hung parliament then Corbyn would have had a superb result?

Think back to the polls, think back to how the press saw things(Printed and broadcast, including the BBC), think back to how smug and self assured the Tories were and give an honest answer.

I believe they were 150 % certain of the outcome till it happened 😉

As i said there wont ever be a result where the losers are happier than the winners

Polls have a huge amount of “adjustment” in them, the make up of the electorate changed with many mkre students registering for example so the “adjustment” was wrong. Exit polls are much more reliable as how they jist voted and how they voted last time.

No doubt Corbyn felt like it was a win not least as he got to stay on as leader and carry on with the “transformation of the Labour Party in his image” vs getting the boot pronto.

Not the question Jamba, forget the polls.

Remember grinning, self satisfied, strong and stable May? Remember the message that Labour were going to be wiped out, that UKIP could become the second party? Remember the press portraying Corbyn as a bumbling idiot who had no support even in his own party outside the left wing head bangers?

Would you thought it possible just before the election was called and would you have said such a result would be remarkable? Would you have even entertained the idea?

Anyone just hear Chris Grayling’s interview on Newsnight on their “review” of the Tory year? I think he’s been reading our Forum RWNJs’ posts. 😆

No ,he’s just a ****.

Remember ............Would you have even entertained the idea?

All you need to remember is the numerous statements made predicting the tories 100 majority to know whether he would have entertained the idea.

Corbyn was great, the tories were piss poor. Was he great enough, clearly not. I also think it would have been even closer if the campaign went on for another month or so as it was building by the week.

No doubt Corbyn felt like it was a win not least because tories predicting a 150 win saw them lose their majority

IT was so strange, the losers won more than the winners.

She called an election to strengthen her hand and it was weakened as his support grew. It was not a great day to be a Tory

Cos as far as I am concerned neoliberalism is a rotten cancer

so why so much support for the EU ?

MacDonnell might identify as a Marxist, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's an idealogue who's going to zealously force his personal plan on the country - like Tories do. He's intelligent enough to be pragmatic.

However he's trusting that the public are intelligent enough to understand that, rather than just using the Marxist comment as ammo for their mudslinging.

his view of democracy seems to be whoever fights hardest on the streets :

celebrates spitting in someones tea, what a loser he is :

Interesting expectations

One side was crap but ended up with higher share of vote than before and in government. Disaster, total disaster

Other side was less crap, ends up in Opposition. Success. Brilliant and awesome leader.

Probably sums up the difference between those who need to be tied to either bunch. Such an odd concept

However he's trusting that the public are intelligent enough to understand that

That is always a dangerous approach, proven in this thread just 2 minutes ago

I guess THM it really depends if you are able to look at the position from an independent position, perhaps observing from the outside. Try imagining it was somewhere like canada or New Zealand.

I guess THM it really depends if you are able to look at the position from an independent position

I see what you did there. Even if you don’t see it, I do. 😀

Other side was less crap, ends up in Opposition. Success. Brilliant and awesome leader.

You really want to only deal in black and white?

If you were a football pundit, you'd just go 'well, they lost, they won - goodnight' at the end of the match 🙂

And for all your claims to be independent - you might not be party affiliated but you might as well be because you sure as hell are politically aligned to the right.

teamhurtmore - Member

Interesting expectations

One side was crap but ended up with higher share of vote than before and in government. Disaster, total disaster

Other side was less crap, ends up in Opposition. Success. Brilliant and awesome leader.

Probably sums up the difference between those who need to be tied to either bunch. Such an odd concept

LOL you dont have to be Derrida to find where your loyalties lie. Its hidden in the text...

Brilliant and awesome leader.

i think THM must have started on the Xmas sherry!

😆

Sober as a judge thx

Not at all mol. According to the 4x4 matrix I sit slightly to the left of centre on the political axis but comfortably on the libertarian side of the other, more relevant axis. Hence the constant error of those who are limited to one dimensional thinking and a need to label people according to their own limited perspectives. Makes me smile anyway!

Must be so difficult for you at the voting booth thm. 😆

It's is, but there is always a least worst candidate. Normally choose on local issues.

Normally choose on local issues.

How topical

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Hence the constant error of those who are limited to one dimensional thinking and a need to label people according to their own limited perspectives.

This.

Plus between 1997 & 2015 (inclusive) a vast number of people (me included) could cheerfully have voted for any of the three main parties. (Or not voted and been equally happy whoever won.)

Since then the Labour party have walked off the pitch, and the LibDems have been sent off the pitch.

So even people who never had any party affiliation and still don't can be abused as being evil Tories for the foreseeable future. (Ironically, by people who have cheefully voted for near identical policy for decades!)

Hence the constant error of those who are limited to one dimensional thinking and a need to label people according to their own limited perspectives. Makes me smile anyway!

Not everyone does that you know.

so why so much support for the EU ?

Because membership of the EU, for all its faults, is better than the alternative.

Cos as far as I am concerned neoliberalism is a rotten cancer

so why so much support for the EU ?

Because membership of the EU, for all its faults, is better than the alternative.

Or to put it another way "Because neoliberalism, for all its faults, is better than the alternative."

Or to put it another way "Because neoliberalism, for all its faults, is better than the alternative."

Yes, if you were to twist my words so that they completely misrepresent what I said and believe.

Or to put it another way "Because neoliberalism, for all its faults, is better than the alternative."

Yes, if you were to twist my words so that they completely misrepresent what I said and believe.

I thought you were saying you detest neoliberalism, but you are happy to run the economy on a neoliberal basis so we can stay in a neoliberal trade group because you think that's better than not doing so. I guess you weren't. 😀

[b]I thought[/b] you were saying you detest neoliberalism, but you are happy to run the economy on a neoliberal basis so we can stay in a neoliberal trade group because you think that's better than not doing so. I guess you weren't.

Vanishingly unlikely.

Not everyone does that you know.

Not even when someone tickles you?

@chest I would certainly agree the result was remarkable

As @outofbreath says I too would have and indeed did vote for each of the 3 major parties between 1997 and 2015. As he says Lib Dems now stand for nothi g at all thanks to Clegg and Labour are totally out of the question with Jeremy “safe space for anti-Semites” Corbyn and John “The Marxist” McDonnell. As I said on the EU thread out of principal I will ensure I contribute zero (or as little as humanly possible) to a Corbyn Government by retiring (55 nearly anyway) and / or leaving the country. I will of course keep voting for the next 15 yeats at least (easy to pop back for a while to restart the clock)

As I said on the EU thread out of principal I will ensure I contribute zero (or as little as humanly possible) to a Corbyn Government by retiring (55 nearly anyway) [b]and / or leaving the country[/b].

Don't let the door slam etc.

out of principal I will ensure I contribute zero (or as little as humanly possible) to a Corbyn Government by retiring

You're not serious?

You know that your tax money doesn't go to the people in government personally, don't you?

I've stuck up for you in the past Jam on principle but god damn you are making it hard to do.

Shake off your inverted snobbery and all hail the Mogg

A religious zealot? Awesome choice there.
As for this terrorist supporting. Thought even the rabid right would have given up on that after the maybot got into bed with the DUP.

One of the funniest jamba posts since “150”. 😀

ransos - Member
I thought you were saying you detest neoliberalism, but you are happy to run the economy on a neoliberal basis so we can stay in a neoliberal trade group because you think that's better than not doing so. I guess you weren't.
Vanishingly unlikely.

Not very nice, is it?

Edit for double post.

Not very nice, is it?

Having opinions and statements attributed to me that I do not hold and have not expressed?

He questioned a possible contradiction in your loyalties. You called him stupid. One is debate, the other is abuse.

He questioned a possible contradiction in your loyalties. You called him stupid. One is debate, the other is abuse.

No, he chose to misrepresent what I said. If he wanted clarity, he could've asked for it, instead of deciding for me what I think. Given his form on this thread, I do not believe that he is acting in good faith, which is why I highlighted "I thought", because I don't believe he thinks that for a minute. If you consider that to be abuse, I expect that you spend a lot of time feeling offended.

Though I'm sure he's relieved that you're here to stick up for him.

Anyway, if you have a problem with anything I've said, you know where the report button is.