Strangely ( well not that strange actually ) the only successful papers are those of the centre and the right of centre – those to the left only stay alive with a trust fund/rich Russian sugar daddy. Where people have a choice, they choose The Times, Telegraph, Mail – which is why the left hate a free press.

There are no more left-leaning papers in circulation. The Independent is a bizarre mix of clickbait, propped up by the occasional penetrating insight from the Middle East by their only remaining credible “real” journalists (Fisk and Cockburn). The Guardian has been centrist / liberal for a number of years now.

The real reason why the UK’s most popular papers are right / centre right is that the people who still buy newspapers tent to be older and thus more right-leaning.

Ah, good….must be election time.

The only occasion it’s fine and dandy to take the mickey and wish ill of the old…..because you know, they vote Tory and so don’t matter or some such bitter nonsense spouted by people who would seem to want the vote restricted to only 16-50 yr olds…..and then only if their views are deemed ‘correct’ by some unbeknownst arbiter that decides these things.

Weird, heaven forbid these oldies should work and pay tax all their lives only to have some bellend on STW decide their vote shouldn’t matter.

FWIW I think the simple answer is that, if the intention is to “stop the Tories” (or at least limit their majority), then just vote Labour.

No.

Not true. For me voting libdem is more likely to reduce the number of Tories by one than voting labour would.

Quite. My position too.

The point of that spreadsheet is to show what is the sensible vote for a given constituency if your aim is to defeat the Tories.

Not true. For me voting libdem is more likely to reduce the number of Tories by one than voting labour would.

Me too, although LibDems went down in 2015 they were way higher than Labour in 2010 so I am feeling they will go back to their 2010 position while Labour fall.
Although I am wasting my time with any vote as the Tory has been there for 20 years and gets around 60% of the vote every time but that’s democracy…

Interesting that the Mail’s headline is a quote from Lenin.

Although I am wasting my time with any vote as the Tory has been there for 20 years and gets around 60% of the vote every time but that’s democracy…

So needs a swing but not unreasonable if somebody can give people reasons.

So needs a swing but not unreasonable if somebody can give people reasons.

You haven’t talked to people in the New Forest much have you.

And that would be quite a swing as second in 2015 was UKIP with 16%. Labour and LibDems are hovering around 10%. Still I will be voting.

deviant – Member
Ah, good….must be election time.

The only occasion it’s fine and dandy to take the mickey and wish ill of the old…..because you know, they vote Tory and so don’t matter or some such bitter nonsense spouted by people who would seem to want the vote restricted to only 16-50 yr olds…..and then only if their views are deemed ‘correct’ by some unbeknownst arbiter that decides these things.

Weird, heaven forbid these oldies should work and pay tax all their lives only to have some bellend on STW decide their vote shouldn’t matter.

Actually deviant, you bring up a good point. The old folk did a lot in the past, but they have less to do with the future simply because of their remaining life expectancy.

Therefore a system should be instituted where by a vote is weighted based on remaining life expectancy – anyone predicted to die within one parliamentary term gets no vote.

Seems fair.

Yes they paid taxes, but now they are the country’s biggest drain on benefits – so that evens out.

Strangely ( well not that strange actually ) the only successful papers are those of the centre and the right of centre – those to the left only stay alive with a trust fund/rich Russian sugar daddy. Where people have a choice, they choose The Times, Telegraph, Mail – which is why the left hate a free press

so the left are essentially cheapskates who won’t pay for the news?

The real reason why the UK’s most popular papers are right / centre right is that the people who still buy newspapers tent to be older and thus more right-leaning

so why aren’t the freebie newspapers left wing? all that pent up left wing target market for the advertisers…..

So anyone fancy a sweepstake on who will promise £350 million for the NHS?

so the left are essentially cheapskates who won’t pay for the news?

Sound economic sense if you ask me.

So anyone fancy a sweepstake on who will promise £350 million for the NHS?

I’m waiting to see who paints it on the side of a bus*.

*paid for out of central campaign expenses but spending most of its time in a small number of constituencies

so why aren’t the freebie newspapers left wing? all that pent up left wing target market for the advertisers…..

In physical form, local rags generally don’t report anything worthwhile, and those that do cater for the older population. The Metro is just another mouthpiece for the nazi sympathisers.

Online however, the Indy, I, and Guardian remain free. The only way the Mail’s website is profitable is its endless click bait and sidebar of shame.

igm….beautiful thread, first the left screeching against a free press and now decision making on whether someone has the vote based on weighing up one life against another.
Truly lovely stuff, and yet it’s the Tories who are the ‘nasty’ party?!
Sticking a finger in and choosing who is and isn’t entitled to vote borders on rigging and a small elite (again appointed by who?) deciding on outcomes instead of proper democracy where everyone gets to vote….if you don’t like that life expectancy has increased in recent decades and may continue to do so (leading to the assumption of Tory bias in the electorate) then move somewhere with a younger population and higher birthrate…..otherwise try to understand that a government is there to represent the electorate and if the electorate happens to be older Tory voters then that’s the government you’ll get.

You don’t have to like it but proposing restrictions like some would seem to wish lends validity to taking back the vote from other groups too….maybe the unemployed for starters, after all they’re a drain on society as you so nicely put retired people’s contribution earlier on?….how about stay at home parents?….maybe people who weren’t born in the UK?, as they’ve spent some of their productive years abroad so can’t contribute as much to the UK and once you weigh one vote against another based on this fact it becomes easy….in fact I reckon if the spiteful left really tried they could come up for a rational argument that ends in dictatorship based on weighing one life against another, an individual’s contribution to society, life expectancy etc..who needs an annoying electorate anyway?!

which is why the left hate a free press

No, they don’t.

You have to remember there’s more than one kind of left. The tolerant, rational, open-minded compassionate liberal type of leftie hates what the right wing gutter press publishes, not that they are allowed to publish it.

Reading what you want to see deviant?

It is not for the Prime Minister, or anyone else to dictate what the press should write. That is the point of the free press.

Who said she should be dictating the press?
If she can find time to condemn the national trust (for doing something her party has been pushing eg partnerships with commercial organisations) I would have thought she could have found time to say she disagreed with the Mail for headlines such as todays or, the far worse, enemies of the people one.

Reading what you want to see deviant?

Must be quite hard to see anything with the amount of straw being piled up.

The right (MPs, press, internet heroes etc) just like stoking the politics of fear and hate

sadly it seems to work well

people do become more right wing as they age, so as our demographics shift I suppose we will see more of Mail’s style of intolerant, nationalistic – actually lets call a spade a spade – fascist ‘journailism’ like that lovely headline up there

I suppose for some its something to celebrate

It is not for the Prime Minister, or anyone else to dictate what the press should write. That is the point of the free press.

She doesn’t have to dictate, but she can condemn things where she disagress with them. Like she did for the national trust easter non-issue.

No GBP chart today kimbers ? I was expecting daily updates.

She doesn’t have to dictate, but she can condemn things where she disagress with them. Like she did for the national trust easter non-issue.

Given the list of things that she hasn’t condemned, it’s unsurprising that she didn’t condemn the newspaper coverage.

Worse than the “crush the saboteurs” headline was the Sun’s “Blue Murder”. Do they not remember the murder of Jo Cox? A guy in Durham has just been arrested for compiling a hit list of Councillors to kill…

Wow. This twunt will get oldtalents vote…

https://www.facebook.com/bheardmedia/videos/1294632823985879/

allthepies – Member
No GBP chart today kimbers ? I was expecting daily updates.

I havent checked

Im guessing that Mays predicted landslide giving her a chance for the softest of brexits has done the £ good though, her comments on the today programme will have helped back that up too

The Norway model was always my 2nd choice!

Every election our local Tory scumbag comes to my shop with the man from the evening standard for some “man of the people” photos.
This year they will be able to take pictures of him being thrown out of my shop. ****.

screeching against a free press

No-one is asking her to censor them, just to censure them.

At a time when she claims she is calling an election because she wants to repair the divisions in Westminster and bring Parliament together for the purposes of delivering Brexit – in the same way that the country is already coming together – is the request to condemn a call to crush opposing opinion rather than accommodate or win it round too much to reasonably expect?

people do become more right wing as they age,

From what I can remember the evidence for this is unclear.
Think it is more that people become more “conservative” in the sense of entrenched in their views as opposed to more right wing.

people do become more right wing as they age

From what I can remember the evidence for this is unclear.[/quote]

It’s not one of the seven signs of aging that Olay protects against…

theotherjonv – Member

No-one is asking her to censor them, just to censure them.

At a time when she claims she is calling an election because she wants to repair the divisions in Westminster and bring Parliament together for the purposes of delivering Brexit – in the same way that the country is already coming together – is the request to condemn a call to crush opposing opinion rather than accommodate or win it round too much to reasonably expect?

Well said.

allthepies – Member

No GBP chart today kimbers ? I was expecting daily updates.

Still incredibly awful compared to the day before the referendum, and right at the bottom of the 10 year average? You don’t need an update from Kimber tbh, you know how the pound’s doing.

And £46bn off the FTSE- the worst day since the referendum. Hurrah! Still, I’m sure the brexiteers will be delighted to know that it also damaged the DAX and CAC.

It is not for the Prime Minister, or anyone else to dictate what the press should write. That is the point of the free press.
…which is why the left hate a free press.

Did the Prime Minister actually “vow to crush the saboteurs”?
Were those her words?

If they were then fair enough, press is doing its bit reporting the news.

If not then the press is just making up its own quotes to suit its agenda.
What’s to stop them publishing: “Corbyn vows to kill kittens” next?

Im guessing that Mays predicted landslide giving her a chance for the softest of brexits has done the £ good though, her comments on the today programme will have helped back that up too

The Norway model was always my 2nd choice!

Kimbers for May!

We live in strange times indeed.

( and the pound has been bobbing along quite nicely since around 11am yesterday, if you are interested )

Kimbers for May!

indeed interesting times
Im happy for her to mittigate the harm of brexshit as best as possible, maybe thats what Davis was hinting at , could we Keep the EMA, EBA, EIB, etc after all if we dont leave the ECJ?

on the other hand, decimating the NHS, sending education back to the stone age, punishing the poor and humiliating the disabled are aspects of May with an increased majority that im not so happy about.

Wow. This twunt will get oldtalents vote…

https://www.facebook.com/bheardmedia/videos/1294632823985879/

Its clearly a sin. Anyway I’m voting tory.
Shame they dont call it tomorrow, everyone knows who they are going to vote for anyway I expect.
I am enjoying the tears from the lefties/remoaners/commies/socialists though, most entertaining.

everyone knows who they are going to vote for anyway

I actually don’t for the first time ever.

Still incredibly awful compared to the day before the referendum, and right at the bottom of the 10 year average? You don’t need an update from Kimber tbh, you know how the pound’s doing.

And £46bn off the FTSE- the worst day since the referendum. Hurrah! Still, I’m sure the brexiteers will be delighted to know that it also damaged the DAX and CAC.

FTSE goes down when pound goes up and vice versa. Most members are exporters so weak £ boosts profits. However FTSE net up more than £ down since referendum.

I am enjoying the tears from the lefties/remoaners/commies/socialists though, most entertaining.

I think that nicely sums up the rightwingers for you!

Wow. This twunt will get oldtalents vote…

https://www.facebook.com/bheardmedia/videos/1294632823985879/

Blimey – I hadn’t clocked that previously. Not sure I can vote LD now unless he clears that up or is hoofed out. That makes it tough. Will have to have a look at the local Green again.

I am enjoying the tears from the lefties/remoaners/commies/socialists though, most entertaining.

OLDtalent – is that ironic or factual? If it’s so I guess that means your one step closer to god’s waiting room than I so I think it’s great you are getting some joy in your last years.

Theresa May at the TV debates……

Well it is happening – vote through Commons – and I learn another lesson about how political reality trumps the law.

oh I missed this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39643347

the architect of austerity has decided that the evening standard is a better shout