[Closed] Hope Headset Help, Something Aint Right! Pics Inside

[i]but please tell me what the hell im missing [/i]

Can't see you pics but if there is no crown race, start there.

The black thing is the adapter that makes the 1 1/8 steerer 1.5. There should 100% be a 1.5 crown race that sits on top of it.

mosey 😆 hoped you'd pop up! ha!

how the hell do i post pics??

Upload to photobucket or yfrog and click the IMG link.

It will copy and you paste that straight onto here.

Is it this ?
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Are you missing the silver bit?

pics are now on!

the black thing is the reducer then? and i should have a crown race ontop of that and also some form of seal?

So the adapter looks like this (yours may be black): this sits direct on your 1 1/8 fork making the diameter 1.5.
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Then you should have the crown race that looks like this: it sits I too of the adapter above and interacts directly with your bearings as normal:
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Together they look like this (but at the bottom of the fork steerer):
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Separately they look like this:
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Does that help?

There seems to be different types for if you have an external 1.5 lower cup or 1.5 integrated lower cup so yours might be different to the one I posted,
Now I'm confused as well...

The race in your pic is not a Hope Crown race. It looks like its doing the conversion to a 1.5 race. Are you sure the lower cup is Hope?

Edit. Mosey's pics clarify how it should be.

I'd be inclined to go with what trevorb says. Doesn't look like a hope crown race. Neither does that look like a hope bottom cup.

It does look a bit like the Hope 1.5 internal bottom cup.

It is, it's for a 1.5 integrated lower cup.. Like this but for 1.18th forks
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Take it off and clean and grease it, not sure about the gap, it might be a o'ring or something that's missing..

mosey cheers for the pics, hmmmm yeh it does look different!

i can absolutly assure you the top cup is a hope one as its written all over it, the lower cup should be hope (as i ordered a hope headset!) and all i can tell you is the bearing was defintely a hope one as it had the codes on and the replacement one i got was exactly the same

so the bearing is defo hope, and the top cup is too

the reducer you are right doesnt look the same hmmmmm (although it probably does the same job?)

how can i tell if its a hope bottom cup then? has anyone else got on they can check to compare too?

By the way the pics on my response are all Hope bits.

It looks like a Hope 1.5 internal cup to be honest, I think you just have the crown race missing.

Although it looks like they might have use a different company reducer crown race on your steerer rather than the adapter.

TBH i cant imagine its NOT a full hope headset, they had the headset there in front of me when i bought it, cant see why they would put a different one in? perhaps when they fitted my new forks they just picked up the nearest reducer rather than put the old one on?

so am i missing the crown race and outer seal or not then? 😆

i never used to have gaps on my old five frame with a 1 1/8th headset and the bearings lasted 4 years on that! the bottom one was goosed after 4 months from new with this setup, pics could explain why.....

Looking at it the black thing on your steerer is a 1.5 - 1 1-8 crown race not an adapter.

It is most likely another companies. If it was Hope it would be split and silver.

It's deffo not a Hope part.

This:

Although it looks like they might have use a different company reducer crown race on your steerer rather than the adapter.

so no external seal.

cheers mosey you legend!

but regardless of what the brand is of the reducer, i should definitely no matter what have a crown race and seal (like your pics) that sit on top of it?

what im trying to say is, as this other branded reducer/adaptor thing ive got is not some form of magical piece that means i dont need the crown/seal (like your pics)

again many thanks mosey!

Looks fine to me, in that it's doing what it's meant to be doing. No crown race needed as it IS the crown race!

and also to confirm now if i get some tapered forks, all i actually need is the crown race and a seal?

i wouldnt need anything else im guessing now we've established ive got a 1.5lower headset cup/bearing installed?

haha walleater - still confused now!

so is this a all in one, crown race/reducer type thing then? thus doesnt need the seal?

Yes, although I am a bit surprised that there's no seal. A 1.5" lower seal would fit on that OK.

Really not sure what's going on there. Hope's 1.5 crown race for an internal lower cup didn't look like that when I fitted one a few weeks back - looked like MoseyMTB's i think ( edit - but of course that was for a tapered fork d'oh)

Nor does that looks like a 1.5/1 1/8th reducer as it has an angled face so a crown race wouldn't sit on top of it very well.

To be honest it looks as if the fork has a crown race from a different headset. The way it has worn suggests it's not mating with the lower bearing properly, which also suggests this is the case.

You could imagine how someone might go to put a bike together, realise they didn't have the right parts, and use a crown race from a different headset? I'd go back to the shop, tell them the problems you're having and ask them to sort it.

ok cheers - so its not technically causing any issues per se then as it is just to clarify

so as im getting a new set of tapered forks next week, what exactly do i need then?

will i need a new tapered 1.5 crown race and a lower tapered seal from hope to go on the forks and it should then all just fit neatly together? and thats it?

^Probably an FSA one, not as it matters as long as the angles are the same:

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You need the hope 1.5 split race as pictured in my second picture. It fits directly on your steerer and then fits your bearing perfectly.

That is all. Give Hope a call.

simons_nicolai-uk - Member
Really not sure what's going on there. Hope's 1.5 crown race for an internal lower cup didn't look like that when I fitted one a few weeks back - looked like MoseyMTB's i think.

Nor does that looks like a 1.5/1 1/8th reducer as it has an angled face so a crown race wouldn't sit on top of it very well.

To be honest it looks as if the fork has a crown race from a different headset. The way it has worn suggests it's not mating with the lower bearing properly, which also suggests this is the case.

You could imagine how someone might go to put a bike together, realise they didn't have the right parts, and use a crown race from a different headset? I'd go back to the shop, tell them the problems you're having and ask them to sort it.

im still 100% sure its a lower bottom hope cup, it does look similar on the pics ive seen of tapered hope ones

like you say for some odd reason they decided to ditch the lower seal and crown race/reducer (maybe just didnt have the reducer in stock) and put another branded one on that acts as a reducer/crown race

still a bit naughty as there is a gap there at present, and as you say its clearly not fitting to well as its goosed the lower bearing in just 4 months

but im going to get a new set of tapered forks i think next week, so as long as i can rectify it then its ok

I reckon that is it, they didn't have the silver adapter like in my first pic so use another headsets crown race.

Looks fine to me, in that it's doing what it's meant to be doing. No crown race needed as it IS the crown race!

But it's [url=
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/hope-tapered-1-5-reducer-crown/rp-prod71609 ]not the hope part[/url] is it? Someone else could conceivably make an aftermarket adaptor that fitted a Hope lower cup but why would they bother.

cheers guys/mosey - does the hope split race include the lower seal too? or shall i ask for one of them as well

The split race comes exactly like my second pic. That is the actual part mate for a tapered steerer and 1.5 lower headset cup.

Your lower cup is 1.5 and your steerer is tapered so perfect.

MoseyMTB - Member
I reckon that is it, they didn't have the silver adapter like in my first pic so use another headsets crown race.

to be fair they always sort me out super quick so i can get out riding again so i expect thats exactly what it is

but what the hell ever happened to my lower seal and crown race though, as now i dont have either if i want to fix it properly 🙁

also i wont have the seal for my new forks, and neither do i have a crown race for my new forks

(although i guess the crown race id need a new one anyways as the crown race on my current forks would be 1.1/8th right?)

so confused right now ha!

Yeah the crown race on your fork now won't fit the Pike.

If you ring Hope they will sort you out with crown race.

Some crown race don't have seals like the FSA above.

Like I say if worst comes to worst mate, buy the Hope bottom cup new and it will come with cup, new bearing and crown race for £28.

🙂

ahh cheers mosey so i need to ask for a 1.5 split race and that includes the crown race and seal all as one (although you can seperate them)

i may as well just leave my current forks like this now, as they still work i guess

and when i get my new forks next week ill just need to get a split race (crown race and seal) and all will be dandy!

one final question, is there absolutlely any reason what so ever why the steerer tube will need to be a different length? given the current setup and when i get my new forks? (due to the parts missing/used?)

Shouldn't be as the adapter wasn't used so won't need accounting for.

Just pop the crown race (split 1.5) on the Pike, put it in the headtube and see.

If it's a new fork it will need cutting down whatever.

thanks a million for the input guys, and especially you mosey, owe you a beer!

i reckon ill ask the shop to sort me out a new hope split race, after all id have the seal already if they had done it properly (so to speak, not slagging them mind!) so would only need a new crown race

thanks again for the help, got there in the end and it wasnt as straight forward as we first thought ha!

ive fitted dozens of hope headsets and that doesnt look like any hope adaptor or crown race ive seen. get the correct adaptor and race as pictured above and all will be well

Just to agree with Dipper above but one point to stop confusion, DONT USE AN ADAPTER with the new Pikes, you don't need one 🙂

Ha

ha! ive got it sorted in my head now, i was getting it confused in my head etc so im 100% clear now whats happened!

nope, dont need an adaptor for the new forks, literally just this 1.5 split race thingy!

will be getting a proper hope one too this time, even if i buy it myself!

ps, can you not buy just the split race seperately??? my terrible google skills havent found anything?

Can't resist

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haha, ive only managed to find the crown race for 1.5 i cant find the seal bit that goes over the top of it?

i may as well just leave my current forks like this now, as they still work i guess

and when i get my new forks next week ill just need to get a split race (crown race and seal) and all will be dandy!

Yep.

Re. your current set up, the info on this link pretty well explains it:

http://www.enduroforkseals.com/id341.html

thankyou walleater - it seems like that is pretty much identical to my current setup, and does the job of reducer/crown race all in one.... i didnt think to be honest it would be a bodge job with my lbs (or i would have been pretty shocked if it was), so im satisfied that its actually ok to leave that for the time being now

ill get a 1.5 split race for the new ones though and a hope one at that!

again guys, this forum can be full of shite sometimes, but then you ask a genuine techy type question and with 20 mins you have sorted the whole thing out!

cheers guys!

The seal is on that crown race from hope matey.

You don't need a separate seal.

http://www.stif.co.uk/mtb/product/hope-tapered-fork-crown-race/11002

mosey just to check if i order that i dont need a seperate seal then? its all built in is what your saying? even better if so!

Yep the black bit is the seal.

Out of stock there mate, get it from the google link (crc) below:

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/mobile/hope-tapered-fork-crown-race/rp-prod71610

mosey on the hope tech, it says crown race outer seal, and then crown race like they are two seperate things

if you look at the diagram

the crc one sort of all looks built into one or is it just the digram has seperated them, or is the tapered version different than the pic?

i will get it from there, ill try hope first see if they can help if not ill order it from CRC!

thanks again, i promise that last question above is the final one on the matter ha!

The pic I put on my bit earlier was the same as above, I promise you the seal and the crown race are one and the same part.

The hope tech sheet is an exploded version showing each and every part.

🙂 I wouldn't bother with Hope mate, just buy one. Technically it's the bike shop who has yours not hope.

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mosey you are a legend! serisouly thank you so much for the help, i will get one from the shop no sweat, thinking about the diagram hope always do exploded diagrams so makes sense!

and whats more i dont need a new bottom cup either, so its been very much worth posting the pics to you, ive gone from being confused to knowing exactly what mine has currently, and what i now need for my new forks (a simple split race for £~5!)

thanks again mosey, for patience, help and pics!

sorted!

I've had so much help from this site so it's nice I can help back.

Plus I only know because I was in the same confused state a few months back 😉