So is that why Aldi (german supermarket) has nice Argentinian wine for super bargain prices?

Very likely imo.

Porsche Argentina Will Trade Carreras and Cayennes for Cabernet Franc

Argentina may well have huge reserves of hydrocarbons but to get at them requires billions of dollars of investment year after year, money the Argentine state just doesnt have and can’t borrow. Quite apart from being illegal, grabbing a private asset is utter madness. Singapore has been a success because foreign investors in Asia know that if they set themselves up there they will enjoy the full protection of an efficient and impartial legal system. Kirchner is making Argentina look like a place to avoid and it is the population that will suffer.

……it is the population that will suffer.

It’s an interesting fact that opposition to the Kirchners has always focused almost solely on predictions. Ever since Nestor and Cristina Kirchner dramatically changed the economic policies of Argentina their opponents, at home and abroad, have predicted dire consequences.

You would think that after 10 years of Kirchner presidency their opponents, who incidentally totally screwed the Argentine economy, would start focusing on criticising the Kirchner’s record as presidents, after all, ten years is a very long time – specially in politics.

It is this Kirchner presidency record which the Argentine electorate focuses on, and not least in reference to previous presidencies which followed very different economic policies. And it is this past record which explains why Cristina Kirchner was the first choice of the majority of voters less than 6 months ago. A quite remarkable feat in a crises-ridden world where economic turmoil has led to incumbent rulers being comprehensively rejected by their electorates, and so few people have any faith in their governments.

In the case of Argentina it’s not a discredited economic model – that’s already been rejected, but one which after 10 years now receives substantial credit from ordinary Argentines. So those who despise Cristina Kirchner for changing the economic balances are reduced to simply predicting dire consequences – as they always have.

a realistic and pragmatic commitment to the greater good

Has Argentina not seen the introduction of radical policies that stressed the importance of the greater good before Ernie?

Eh ? What are you on about Zulu-Eleven ?

Why have you posted a collage of aging passport photos after asking me a completely pointless and inane question ?

Or is this as I suspect yet another example of you not really knowing why you posted something ?

Seriously fella, you can be really bizarre sometimes when you can’t think of anything constructive to say 😕

Don’t really know anything about this, but the obvious questions to me seems to be; what exactly do the argentine people get from Repsol owning the resourses? And will nationalising these assets bring more wealth to the people?

Why have you posted a collage of aging passport photos

Maybe you don’t know your Argentinian political history quite as well as you thought, Eh Ernie 🙄

Is that an Argentina where’s wally?

Maybe you don’t know your Argentinian political history quite as well as you thought, Eh Ernie 🙄

I have never thought that I knew Argentine political history particularly well, why would I think that ?

I do know a little bit about it though. But no, I can’t recognise a single face in any of those photos – presumably you think I should recognise a few faces ?

Since they are rather small and of poor quality why don’t you spit it out and say who they are and what your point is ?

Or are you still struggling to remember/figure out the point which you were trying to make ?

Why would you recognise any of them Ernie, Nobody recognises them any more, nobody knows what they look like or where they are, its as if they disappeared

and if you don’t know the significance of that word, and what happened to those people and their families in the name of the greater good then I’d suggest you go and read up a little before pontificating on popularist politics in South America…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War#The_Disappeared_held_under_PEN

I wonder how many of the Falkland Islanders would have conveniently “disappeared” if we hadn’t defended them. Thank god we did.

Why would you recognise any of them Ernie, Nobody recognises them any more, nobody knows what they look like or where they are, its as if they disappeared

So they are the Disappeared then. Why didn’t you say that – did you think I knew some of them personally and would recognise them from their photos ?

I suspected that it might be the Disappeared but since I didn’t know any of them personally I couldn’t be sure. Plus as the Disappeared has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the topic being discussed, I thought it would be too idiotic for you post a picture of them – obviously not.

I now see that you are holding Cristina Kirchner responsible for the Disappeared – the victims of an extreme right-wing government which was backed by Washington. Or at least suggesting that she is no better.

I can’t think of a polite way of saying this Zulu-Eleven but you really are a complete idiot mate.

I wonder how many of the Falkland Islanders would have conveniently “disappeared” if we hadn’t defended them. Thank god we did.

Probably fewer than the English have “disappeared” during their invasions conquests. 😆

what exactly do the argentine people get from Repsol owning the resourses?

jobs, international expertise, taxes

And will nationalising these assets bring more wealth to the people?

hmmmm, it’s South America, I imagine it will bring more wealth to some of the people

I now see that you are holding Cristina Kirchner responsible for the Disappeared – the victims of an extreme right-wing government which was backed by Washington. Or at least suggesting that she is no better.

based on the way the Kirchner regimes have treated the indigenous peoples, yep she is no better

Sorry Ernie – you were telling us about how wonderful the radical politics of ‘the greater good’ was

Thought it might be worth reminding you just where ‘the greater good’ took Argentina a few years ago.

Funny that the Kirchner dynasty has brought so few of those responsible to justice, how former members of the FFAA who committed crimes against humanity during the 1970s remain free, and how Julio Lopez went missing after giving evidence against the former director of police…

But, go on, keep telling us how Kirchners economic miracle has transformed the country, some of us read wider than the pages of Socialist Worker, and instead see the words of the Archbishop of Buenos Aires

“there are many people all around us who are forced to live as though during Lent all year, without the possibility of a glimpse of Easter. It is now part of the everyday scenery to see children and adults going through the garbage in search of something to alleviate their hunger or the cold. Selfishness, dishonesty, and indifference condemn many to a life of involuntary fasting and obligatory penance throughout the whole year… new faces of the poor… the new excluded: displaced… disappeared… victims of exclusion… large groups of unemployed people… the people that live in the streets of the large metropolises… campesinos without land.”

based on the way the Kirchner regimes have treated the indigenous peoples, yep she is no better

Nestor and Cristina Kirchner have massacred the indigenous peoples on par with what the right-wing military junta did ?

This is a very serious allegation and it doesn’t appear to be making the news. Where do you get your information from big and daft ?

Zulu-Eleven – Member

Sorry Ernie – you were telling us about how wonderful the radical politics of ‘the greater good’ was

Thought it might be worth reminding you just where ‘the greater good’ took Argentina a few years ago.

Funny that the Kirchner dynasty has brought so few of those responsible to justice, how former members of the FFAA who committed crimes against humanity during the 1970s remain free, and how Julio Lopez went missing after giving evidence against the former director of police…

But, go on, keep telling us how Kirchners economic miracle has transformed the country, some of us read wider than the pages of Socialist Worker, and instead see the words of the Archbishop of Buenos Aires

“there are many people all around us who are forced to live as though during Lent all year, without the possibility of a glimpse of Easter. It is now part of the everyday scenery to see children and adults going through the garbage in search of something to alleviate their hunger or the cold. Selfishness, dishonesty, and indifference condemn many to a life of involuntary fasting and obligatory penance throughout the whole year… new faces of the poor… the new excluded: displaced… disappeared… victims of exclusion… large groups of unemployed people… the people that live in the streets of the large metropolises… campesinos without land.”

Don’t you ever get embarrassed coming out with such bollox ? Do you have no shame ?

don simon, I’m sure the rest of the UK was involved in those invasions, conquests and LIBERATIONS too not just us English 🙂

Only after they too had been incorporated into the UK. 😉

Was the military junta voted in?

Love the way you cast things as Bollox Ernie

exactly which of the points I made do you dispute?

former members of the FFAA being free – is that bollox?

Has Jorge Julio López been found?

Did the Archbishop of BA not say that? I’d suggest that the Archbishop knows whats happening in his country better than a London dwelling faux-revolutionary 😉

C’mon – which bit of my comment was bollox – or are you just dismissing it as such because it was a little too close to the bone ?

I see Kirchners still refusing to accept the Rincón Bomba massacre as taking place – and the history taught in the local schools overlooks half the aboriginal race being wiped out… One would have thought that she’d be all for the truth.

Pwned !

Well Ernie it was pretty obvious to me that was a picture of The Disappeared. Sort of an infamous image.

Argentina certainly has an odd goverment at the moment although in no way like the 1970s.

It’s real difficult country for external companies to do business with/in you can see why they have so many economic woes.

Nestor and Cristina Kirchner have massacred the indigenous peoples on par with what the right-wing military junta did ?

how do you grade them? do you base it on numbers? 10’s, 100’s, 1000’s, 10,000’s etc? Or do you have another scale?

Zulu-Eleven – Member

Love the way you cast things as Bollox Ernie

exactly which of the points I made do you dispute?

former members of the FFAA being free – is that bollox?

Has Jorge Julio López been found?

Did the Archbishop of BA not say that? I’d suggest that the Archbishop knows whats happening in his country better than a London dwelling faux-revolutionary

C’mon – which bit of my comment was bollox – or are you just dismissing it as such because it was a little too close to the bone ?

Pwned !

A can’t be bothered to argue with a lying idiot who makes nasty and highly offensive comparisons between a presidency which has slashed poverty and unemployment, scrapped immunity from prosecution for former members of the military, and overwhelmingly won elections, with a right-wing Washington backed military dictatorship which tortured and murdered thousands of its own citizens – most of whom were members of the current president’s peronist movement.

Sorry, I thought you’d claimed what I said was Bollox – now you’re claiming that its nasty and offensive instead?

So, I’ll ask again

Which bit of what I said was Bollox?

Because you sort of seem to be avoiding the issue and relying on personal insults instead 🙄

Keep on thread girls and stop hurling insults. 🙄

Because you sort of seem to be avoiding the issue and relying on personal insults instead

Listen mate, you might think it’s just “amusing” banter to tell offensive lies, but the comedic value of that is lost on me.

Can someone just ban Zulu-Eleven for being a Troll?

OK Ernie – I’ve asked you repeatedly to tell me specifically which of the comments I’ve made you’re challenging as bollox, you’ve not done so.

Now you’re calling them offensive lies – which comments specifically are offensive lies please?

Less of the throwing insults and calling people names please, just specify which comments you are calling lies and substantiate why!

Face it – Argentina is broke, the Government had been fiddling the figures, they’ve been stealing pensions and other shenanigans, and now they are ooutright pinching money to keep the circus afloat.