Four stolen bikes on Ebay
Have you got evidence they have been stolen? If not and they haven't, then you are opening up a can of self-righteous worms on yourself…
Rather than post up wiht your 'thoughts', why not just do it quietly and report it to Ebay and the Police…when the Police ask for your evidence you can let them know –
i.e. poor grammar and spelling – is it a well known fact that people who lead a life of crime cannot spell – is that a sure sign of theft?
Inability to copy names properly – again, is this a sign of theft?
Selling for a mate – well that is quite common – I used to have a mate who'd sell stuff for me on Ebay as I refused to get an account – seemed to work fine for me.
I just find these posts highly amusing as they seem to play on people's stereotypical views of things and then give them a soapbox to shout from…unless you know 100% they are stolen, keep out of it as it could get nasty for you if you are shown to be wrong.Posted 8 years ago
I just find these posts highly amusing as they seem to play on people's stereotypical views of things and then give them a soapbox to shout from…unless you know 100% they are stolen, keep out of it as it could get nasty for you if you are shown to be wrong.
I'd rather highlight 4 potential stolen bikes so owners can identify them as stolen, which would be evidence enough. If nobody does identify them and the seller can answer all questions, justifying why he has put up such crap descriptions for over £8000 worth of products then fair enough.
Having had a bike stolen, I know scouring the forsales ads is about the only very small chance you have of ever seeing it again.Posted 8 years agomcbooMember
Dickbarton what the **** is the matter with you?
Sure it MAY be the case that the guy really is selling bikes on behalf of mates, I mean who wouldnt want to piggy-back on a marketing pro like this fella?
Seriously, how do we flag this to the police? I'm presuming they will have dedicated teams looking at internet theft and fraud yes?
P.S is this a threat?
unless you know 100% they are stolen, keep out of it as it could get nasty for you if you are shown to be wrong.
I've had bikes stole. I'm not turning the other cheek.Posted 8 years agomAx_hEadSetSubscriber
the matter will be resolved of are the bikes stolen or not by simply asking him if he could ask his mate for the serial number of any bike, as a potential purchaser of said item you would never wish to buy a stolen bike and would therefore like to check with the local police first before bidding…. if the listings vanish there's your answer… pdf them before you write so the evidence can be sent to ebay – the bill
if the listings are taken down its not a problem, he will loose potential sales and have to devise a plan b to cash convert them…. anyone emailed ibis to see if they have had a customer report a stolen bike? maybe the uk importers could start to run a service recording stolen bike serial numbers for those buying expensive uk imported bikes and have them stolen so the singletrack forum police have somewhere to go, might actually make the higher price than direct importing sometimes a bit less bitter for some.Posted 8 years agomAx_hEadSetSubscriber
PS Dick Barton could actually be quite right… I was told a story of a cycle dealer who had a regular customer who bought new bikes then having sold them to his mate who had to have it came in to buy something else.. something the dealer at first could not believe his luck, this went on until having ordered a new bike and paid a deposit he never collected it,
some one in the know with the criminal world suggested the guy was probably spending money gained from drugs dealing and was cleaning it through this and other transactions, his sudden disappearance is more likely due to the volatility of the industry rather than the police feeling his collar as he simply appeared to vanish off the face of the earth. Right now one of you may well be riding one of those bikes which for all we know he might have sold on eBay rather than his mate.Posted 8 years agostumpynya12Member
No shit Sherlock !!!! All these reasons for it being a genuine ebay seller and yes I see it now so clearly this chap is just so lucky to have four loyal friends who want to use his genuine ebay account to sell the bikes that they no longer require or perhaps he did purchase second hand stock from a cycle retailer…… My arse !!!Posted 8 years agospacemonkeyMember
If Ebay suspect the ads are dodgy then all they may do is pull them – I've no idea if they report anything to the police or whoever. Which means that although this might well make it harder for the crim to move them on, the owners are ultimately still left without their rightful pieces of kit … and the crims get to carry on regardless.
Therefore if reporting it to the police is the only way forward then this must be done. Anyone know who to call in the area? What about that guy who was on here a few weeks back who's remit was to reduce bike crime, etc?Posted 8 years agoPractical MattMember
[/quote]Seriously, how do we flag this to the police? I'm presuming they will have dedicated teams looking at internet theft and fraud yes?
I was the cycle theft lead for a midlands police force two years ago.
It was easy catching people in the act of stealing and prosecuting them using a honey trap of my Orange Five leaning on a lamp post with a cable lock and us hiding in a van, but to prove a bike is stolen in this situation you have to find the injured party or positive ID of the items. If the numbers seriel can be checked against the imobilise data base- you all register your bikes on that – right? http://www.immobilise.com/
and the bikes scanned for data tag and smartwater – you all mark you bikes -right?
and/ or check them against the manufacturer's data base for warranty- You all regsiter your bikes there too?
Otherwise it's a bit tricky, in a perfect world someone would buy them for pennies and hold on to thjem whilst seeking the owner.
It's worth finding out where the seller lives and contacting his local police. If he's a known scroat with little chance of having bought these bikes it may well be enough to go round there and pay him a visit. Then there are means to seize the goods if there's fair suspicion he did not get them through fair means. If he's a cleanster with a spotless record though, then nowt will happen without prior proof of the bikes being hot.
Now that I've opened a nice can of worms here, I'm ducking down and getting back to work. I hope I have given means to help not hinder. I'd look at them myself but Ebay is barred at my place so it's up to those that can do find out the location.Posted 8 years agoNikNak7890Member
I reported this to Ebay, as it sound far too dodgy to be anywhere near true.
I had an automated reply back from them:
** This is an automated email to acknowledge receipt of your report.
Please do not respond to this email. If you need to, you can contact us
from any eBay Help page.**
Thank you for taking the time to report a seller who you suspect is
offering stolen goods on eBay.
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eBay Trust & SafetyPosted 8 years agoMunqe-chickMember
(Mr MC posting) and aimed particularly at Practical Matt;
theres a lot of apathy and complacency to security. Despite having been on a dedicated burglary unit for 2 years, and having used immobilise to identify stolen property, I have only just registered my own bikes after seeing all the STW threads, and your post.
One question for you and others-how many forces use or have access to digital readers for datatag/immobitag transponders? I notice my force (TVP) isn't on Immobilise's list of "where did you hear about us" when you register, and Ive never seen or heard if it's use in TVP. Is my force in the minority in not using these, as 14 quid is affordable security if it gets used.Posted 8 years agoPinkstiffeeMember
Stuff like this really does make me laugh. Guy selling four bikes with bad grammar must be a crook? Hang on he has a white van as well he MUST be a crook!
Do you not think that if they were stolen he would demand on posting them? Which thief in his right mind would advertise stolen bikes on a national website and then risk someone coming round to have a look at them!
And then you are all jumping on Dickbartons case, FFS get a life. And no I dont mind people listing a 'heads up' about possible stolen bikes but that is all it is a posibility. No need to get so adamant and self righteous about it.Posted 8 years ago
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