Open border between Northern Ireland and Irish Republic?

Does this mean we can look forward to a migrant camp at Torr where people try to smuggle themselves across the 20km of sea to Mull of Kintyre?

Or perhaps just a new era of goods smuggling?

Mind you, the Irish are a bit funny about military-enforced borders for some reason. Maybe we should just give Northern Ireland to the Republic, what could possibly go wrong? 😉

kelvin – Member

I don’t think you’ve thought that through, as regards Ireland/UK agreements, have you. Just stating a vague wish does not ensure a working agreement.

Especially considering that government policy seems to be that there’ll be an open border with Ireland but a closed border with Scotland, for Reasons. It’s just random wishes at this point.

Government already committed to open border between Northern Ireland and Irish Republic. It’s up to the UK how we police the border and we will keep it open.

Not sure it is ONLY up to the UK, the EU (with the Republic as a member) will decide what to do on THEIR side.

A bit like how the Iron Curtain worked, our side was open, their side wasn’t…

Got a letter today from my main grocery, dry and frozen goods supplier for tell us prices were going up due to weak £ and Brexit.

So – appoint three useless blokes to fumble Brexit for ages and make arses out of themselves long enough for a weak £ to put prices up which swings public opinion. Then unexpectedly concede the legal case for a parliamentary debate on Brexit, which public opinion swings for remain.

Is May playing a blinder for remain?

I’m glad someone mentioned the Iron Curtain – history explains why so many people in Europe are wedded to the idea of free movement of people; folk memory of hard borders is still strong enough in Mid and Eastern Europe.

Its astounding he needs this pointing out and it pointing out that the other side also have a say in the border

Still I am sure this hubris will see us all through to an arc of prosperity

jamba, it can’t possibly be an open border if we aren’t in the single market, there will be customs and tariffs and checkpoints…

Open border in terms of people being able to just walk accross. Both governments have said so. UK govt free to do as it likes, if the EU forces the Irish into doing something different we can’t do anything about that.

Wait and see folks. A50 in first 3 months of next year and all this sort of thing will be resolved.

A50 in first 3 months of next year and all this sort of thing will be resolved.

There will obviously be resolutions. But it remains to be seen if they will be good ones!

if the EU forces the Irish into doing something different we can’t do anything about that.

[quote] It’s up to the UK how we police the border and we will keep it open[/quote]

Which one are you arguing now?

You forgot (1) that these are negotiations not unilateral demands and (2) the smiley

No wonder the Europeans are becoming irritated by the arrogance of the BSers – its as breathtaking as it is niaive

Got a letter today from my main grocery, dry and frozen goods supplier for tell us prices were going up due to weak £ and Brexit.

£/€ at same rate as in 2011 and 2013 so prices back to same as then ? Or higher as supplier takes advantage of Brexit to put one over on you ?

Many foods will be much cheaper post Brexit if we remain out of the single market and are able to import freely. European lamb protected by 40% tariif, I always buy British but would happily buy from New Zealand like we always used to when I was a kid (pre ’73)

@tmh the European are sh.tting themselves, Deutsche is on the slide and this is even before Greece and Italian banking crises returns to the headlines. Stap in its going to get very rough. Much better out than in.

Jolly good, how are we doing against the dollar in the same period?

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=5Y

Oh.

would happily buy from New Zealand like we always used to when I was a kid (pre ’73)

Sadly you won’t bet getting it at 1973 prices:

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=NZD&view=10Y

European are sh.tting themselves, Deutsche is on the slide

I love the way one post minimises the effects of a falling currency on us and spthen you take the exact same thing and explain why its bad for the EU and they are shitting themselves 😆

You have to be taking the piss on here as its just so silly

A50 in first 3 months of next year and all this sort of thing will be resolved.

Whoosh… magic wand… all this sort of thing is resolved…

would happily buy from New Zealand like we always used to when I was a kid (pre ’73)

Buy what? You’d really rather ship lamb from the other side of the world rather than France? If you ever see French lamb for sale anywhere btw, I never have.

Buy local – my lamb comes from Wales where I live. No wonder the world is ****.

Nice to know since most of the lamb exported within the EU comes from the UK

Hmmm, not so nice. And the reason we import NZ lamb (and have always done) is because it is a seasonal product so the southern hemisphere producers make up the shortfall when the UK producers have nothing to sell. However, the Chinese are now the worlds biggest producers of sheepmeat so it won’t be long before you will be buying your lamb from them. All the UK producers will have gone to the wall for sure.

Nice to know since most of the lamb exported within the EU comes from the UK

So does that mean that the “European lamb protected by 40% tariif” is mostly British and removing that protection would hurt us?

@welsh I am very pro UK produce, always buy that when I can even if price is higher. Ditto French products when I am there. I was only trying to make a point that our (especially Scotland’s) historical ties are with NZ more than Europe.

I am all for a free trade deal but no freedom of movement and no budget contribution. EU says that nit possible so be ir

in first 3 months of next year and all this sort of thing will be resolved

Christ, you really are in la la land if you think this mess will be done & dusted by Easter.

You’re away with the fairies & all the way over there…..& then some!

@tmh the European are sh.tting themselves, Deutsche is on the slide and this is even before Greece and Italian banking crises returns to the headlines. Stap in its going to get very rough. Much better out than in.

My old colleague Mr Cryan is in deep doo-doo indeed, however so what? We remain exposed to these trends either way as you well know. And we are not/were not exposed to EZ financial exposures directly since this is confined to EZ members – so what is the point?

Do we run away from Bz – weak economy, political collapse; Aus – econ slowdown; large parts of Africa – weak commoditiies, political unrest back again, corruption.

I am failing to follow the train of thought here?

Food prices have gone up because most commodities are traded in $ and €.

Is this what you mean about EU tariffs on lamb jamba:

Elizabeth Truss highlighted that outside the EU, tariffs could add an additional £155million to the cost of lamb and mutton exports, making British lamb a less attractive prospect for Europeans compared to New Zealand and Australian competitors.

British lamb still does not have access to the US and China markets, so the EU is a particularly important export destination.

Without this market – which accounts for 97% of all lamb and mutton exports – prices of British lamb could crash and put the sustainability of the industry and the livelihoods of 10,000 sheep farmers in jeopardy.

— https://www.gov.uk/government/news/leaving-eu-would-be-major-threat-to-sheep-industry
— http://www.nationalsheep.org.uk/news/5960/nsa-encouraged-by-clear-messages-from-secretary-of-state/

You have to be taking the piss on here as its just so silly

290 pages.

Wizard level trolling.

Lambaliar!

just made my self laugh.

I was only trying to make a point that our (especially Scotland’s) historical ties are with NZ more than Europe

Fair number of Scots diaspora in NZ, but Scotland’s historical ties are with France, the Low Countries and Scandinavia (particularly Norway). And of course Ireland.

Its astounding he needs this pointing out and it pointing out that the other side also have a say in the border

Why are you surprised, it was publically said before the vote and no one (well, politicians nor media) commented otherwise.

British lamb still does not have access to the US and China markets, so the EU is a particularly important export destination.

UK imports more sheep meat than we export

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/27/theresa-may-accused-trying-to-alter-immigration-report-before-brexit-vote

Theresa May thinks she is or possibly actually is Frank **** Underwood.

UK imports more sheep meat than we export

Not from the EU it doesn’t!

In 2015 we exported 41,634 tonnes of lamb and mutton to the EU.

And imported just 5,615 tonnes from the EU.

http://beefandlamb.ahdb.org.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/UK-sheep-meat-trade-190916.xlsx

Sarko saves Europe!

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-09-27/nicolas-sarkozy-to-give-britain-chance-to-reverse-brexit-vote-if-elected-french-president/

Wow.. French president doing what no British politicians were clued up enough to do.

Merci, mon ami.

Of course Sarkozy wants us to reconsider, if we don’t France is going to have to update it’s budget contribution substabtially by €3-4bn pa ? Also risk to them of no trade deal is substantial.

Molgrips he’s not there just yet 😉 Quite possible/likely he would win the Le Penn / Sarko run off after Hollande is eliminated as all the Socialists would vote tactically for him to keep FN out.

Graham – thats an interesting table, quite complicated. I see (I think) we export 40,000 tonnes and import 62,000 tonnes. So we are a net importer, so not self sufficient so a Brexit opportunity to become so.

thats an interesting table, quite complicated. I see (I think) we export 40,000 tonnes and import 62,000 tonnes. So we are a net importer

You think that’s complicated? You look at that and think we are an EU net importer? Are you a bit thick?

Typical bloody shit for brains brexit voter! 😉

Also risk to them of no trade deal is substantial.

Everyone in the EU faces this risk we all know this the only problem is in jambyland the EU faces risks however we face only Brexit Opportunities

I really cannot decide whether this is ludicrous positivity or abject stupidity or both

@convert 😳 thanks for your kind words, I’ll fetch my reading glasses 8)

EDIT: I am looking at total figures, we run a deficit ie import more than we export as a nation. Numbers above red line. Now we run a deficit with the EU – From tje Corbyn thread so eone suggested we import cheaper stuff from outside eu (paying 40% tariff ?) andprodcie amd export higjer quality to France etc. This is possible of coirse. What I am saying js we don’t need access to an EU market, we consume more than we produce. Could be misreading this of course.

This is possible of coirse. What I am saying js we don’t need access to an EU market, we consume more than we produce. Could be misreading this of course.

The statement may work for overall numbers but a business that sells 100% to the eu will be adversely effected. As with all of this we are throwing out something that did well for people based on ideology not reason.

I watched the Brexit documentary last night.

Obviously leave is all about the ‘people’, I mean really good to see that the two mega-rich backers (and I’m sure there are more than two) were doing so much for the ‘people’…

Yeah, right.