Yesterdays Observer was saying the same. There’s a rump of leavers who seem to think that ‘no deal’ just means everything carries on as normal.

Terrifying that this countries entire economic future has still been left in the hands of liars and frauds at every conceivable level, who are blithley assuring everyone that ‘no deal’ will be just fine.

The obvious question is, in the event of a no deal crash-out, and the ensuing chaos, how will all those people react when they realise the true extent to which they’ve been conned?

In the absense of any leadership from May, not all the Tory party is completely unhinged, though it often feels like it. From the Guardian just now:

Richard Harrington, the business minister, has already said he will resign from the government if Theresa May opts for a no-deal Brexit. Other ministers, including some in cabinet, think that same, but Harrington has been the most explicit about this. And this morning, in an interview on the Today programme, he went further. He said a no-deal Brexit (something May has refused to rule out, and something which Tory Brexiters insist would be manageable, if not ideal) would be “an absolute disaster”. Asked what he thought about the prospect, he said:

You said, “Does [the prospect of no deal] bring shivers?” It does bring more than shivers, because I have examined in depth what might happen, I’m part of the government’s plans for Brexit. I’ve seen what may well happen with this cut-off date. Crashing out in my view … is an absolute disaster. It’s not a road to a free trade agreement, it’s not a road to anything. It’s an absolute disaster for the country and it’s supported by a minority of a minority of people.

Harrington said he was not just worried about the tariffs that would be in place in the event of a no-deal Brexit. He was worried about the impact of friction at the border, particularly on the car industry, which is dependent on just-in-time supply chains. He said he was “afraid” of Jaguar and Mini closing in the event of a no-deal Brexit. Claiming that the UK would be able to manage trading with the EU on WTO terms was “fanciful nonsense”, he said. And he ended the interview saying:

It says on my business card “minister for business and industry”. I’m not prepared to sell business down the river for other people’s political dogma.

Quite alarmed that the brexiters appear to have jumped on the btl comments in the john Harris guardian article. And the refusal to engage or listen to reasoning suggests it’s just to goad the guardinistas or whatevs. Talk of the EU ‘rabble’ and ‘totalitarian’EU. Utterly insane

Not sure if this link has been posted before, but the article absolutely nails it

Britain’s rupture with the European Union is proving to be another act of moral dereliction by the country’s rulers. The Brexiteers, pursuing a fantasy of imperial-era strength and self-sufficiency, have repeatedly revealed their hubris, mulishness and ineptitude over the past two years. Though originally a “Remainer,” Prime Minister Theresa May has matched their arrogant obduracy, imposing a patently unworkable timetable of two years on Brexit and laying down red lines that undermined negotiations with Brussels and doomed her deal to resoundingly bipartisan rejection this week in Parliament.

The obvious question is, in the event of a no deal crash-out, and the ensuing chaos, how will all those people react when they realise the true extent to which they’ve been conned?

blame it on jeremy…

The obvious question is, in the event of a no deal crash-out, and the ensuing chaos, how will all those people react when they realise the true extent to which they’ve been conned?

They probably won’t put two and two together combined with the Tory government and media convincing them that it was not caused by the no deal brexit. i.e. the gullible will continue to be gullible.

blame it on jeremy…

and there will be plenty of useful idiot “moderates” willing to assist.
I think we have already seen the approach which will be taken. All the talk about traitors and enemies of the people.
It would have been fine apart from those remoaners who stabbed us in the back.

The labour party has lost 150,000+ of their fabled 500,000 membership over the last year due to Corbyns por-Brexit stance. Would they be these ‘useful idiot moderates’?

The obvious question is, in the event of a no deal crash-out, and the ensuing chaos, how will all those people react when they realise the true extent to which they’ve been conned?

Had a depressing realisation this morning that the likes of Rees-Mogg don’t need to care. They’ll carry on blaming and bullshitting, and carry on making money. If we manage to turn the ship around enough to remain, and there’s a blood on the streets backlash, they’ll be able to blame, bullshit and make money off the repercussions.

There’s no incentive on JRM whatsoever to reconcile, to soften the language, to compromise, to stop lying about how great no-deal will be. The nastier it is, the more opportunity he’ll have to make money.

fabled 500,000 membership over the last year due to Corbyns por-Brexit stance

That would be the membership who were so unimportant when compared to the voters? The ones in the heartlands who are in favour of brexit. I get confused as to which group is more important.
Also a cursory check shows that claim has been disputed and was in the Sunday Times with unattributed sources. So looks like you are playing a blinder for the hard right press again. Keep up the good work.

. The nastier it is, the more opportunity he’ll have to make money.

Yup. He is following dearest daddies playbook to the letter.

The ones in the heartlands who are in favour of brexit

Care to suggest a single seat in the UK where you think more Labour voters voted Leave than Remain? Placating UKIP and the more unhinged Tory voters in “the North” will not result in a Labour government.

Labour voters at the last election were overwhelming in favour of Remain. No idea what would happen if we had either an election or a referendum now… but pretending that Labour voters have forced the Labour leadership’s “position” on Brexit is just an excuse.

I am not a moderate or a centrist, I suspect I am far to the left of any of the gullible morons still defending Jeremy. I can just see that brexit will cause far more pain and suffering than any event in my lifetime.

I can remember as a child the first time I saw my father cry, when one of his friends committed suicide after losing his job as an electrician down the mines, and subsequently separated from his family as he struggled to cope having been cast aside to tory dogma. These kind of stories will be repeated by the thousands maybe tens of thousands in a post brexit britain, and Corbyn has done **** all meaningful to fight it.

Brexit will be far worse than a mere tory government as we have known, it is an alt-right coup that will devastate lives for decades, and may never be recovered from.

Care to suggest a single seat in the UK where you think more Labour voters voted Leave than Remain?

The figures are 60% of Labour constituencies voted leave.
Getting precise figures of the overlap of voters for Labour and brexit doesnt look that easy but some easy examples:
Sunderland, Doncaster and Wakefield all had high brexit votes. So its fairly safe to assume they meet your criteria.
You can also look at the Best for Britain poll which showed a loss of 11% of votes outweighing the potential gain.

Labour voters at the last election were overwhelming in favour of Remain.

Evidence for this please. The members were but as far as I am aware voters were a tad more complex with a slight favour for second referendum.

but pretending that Labour voters have forced the Labour leadership’s “position” on Brexit is just an excuse.

Which will be why the leadership has been threatened with rebellion by some ministers if they even say they want a second referendum. Since those ministers are worried about their constituencies.

Since those ministers are worried about their constituencies.

They are worried about their votes, not their constituencies.

I just can’t fathom why they are not out in their constituencies shouting from every rooftop, how they have been lied to and conned by a bunch of posh **** investment bankers looking to profit from their constituencies suffering and misery. Instead they care more about pursuing a policy that will devastate their constituents lives even further just in case they lose some votes, **** self serving arseholes are not fit to be labour mp’s.

I just can’t fathom why they are not out in their constituencies shouting from every rooftop

Because the chances of that working is pretty minimal.

that will devastate their constituents lives even further just in case they lose some votes

Or to be more charitable (although overall I think it is biased to self preservation) if they do lose the seats then the tories would be able to slash and burn those areas anyway.

If anyone heard Harrington on R4 this morning he managedto remain quite calm as Peter Lilley just spun out so much bollox, Id have been far less polite

Even Nick Robinson was having trouble taking him seriously, when he claimed it was all ‘project fear’ whipped up by the media & robinson pointed out these were direct quotes from teh boss of JLR & head of Calais port Lilley just started to gibber randon words for a bit

Also very good post by Peston on FB this morning

assuming we delay departure Farage is planning the ‘Brexit Party’ & would likely clean up and wed be sending an even bigger bunch of UKIP-like clowns to the EU parliament 🙁

Even Nick Robinson was having trouble taking him seriously, when he claimed it was all ‘project fear’ whipped up by the media & robinson pointed out these were direct quotes from teh boss of JLR & head of Calais port Lilley just started to gibber randon words for a bit

It was embarrassing to be honest. It was such a straightforward and obvious point from Nick Robinson. No trap needed to be laid, yet Lilley still sounded like he was on the receiving end of a forensic questioning.

But – what the hell – the core of public support don’t listen to R4, so got away with another one…..

Because the chances of that working is pretty minimal.

So instead they will just cede to an alt-right coup? FFS at least go out fighting, if brexit happens it won’t matter if they hold onto their little fiefdoms they will have failed their constituents and condemned them without even raising a whimper in opposition.

The only noises that have come out of the Labour Party for the last few days are them complaining about Fiona Bruce being horrid to Dianne on QT. They’re still at it this morning.

Well… that and Kier Starmers latest unsuccessful attempt at trying to bounce Corbyn into actually maybe possibly engaging with this whole Brexit thing on any kind of meaningful level

Nice set of priorities there you totally ****ing useless bunch of half-wits

The tory right are ratcheting up the rhetoric to drive the Brexit debate in an ever more extreme direction, and the labour party are just sat back and letting them get on with it, totally unopposed

Kier Starmers

Hasn’t he been replaced by Barry Gardiner?

The labour party has lost 150,000+ of their fabled 500,000 membership over the last year due to Corbyns por-Brexit stance. Would they be these ‘useful idiot moderates’?

Uncritically parroting a disputed and unattributed claim is pretty much the definition of “useful idiot”.

The only noises that have come out of the Labour Party for the last few days are them complaining about Fiona Bruce being horrid to Dianne on QT.

Hardly a surprise that, the ball is very much in the court of May and her dysfunctional party. There is only one thing for labour to do, and that’s to stand back and watch the show. If it results in a no deal brexit then they’ll suffer some fallout, but it will destroy the tories so they may have calculated that it’s worth the risk.

Ah, disaster socialism advocacy finally. Love it.

Ah, disaster socialism advocacy finally. Love it.

Not advocacy, just an explanation. My own opinion is that the ‘lexit’ approach carries far too high a risk of the opposite happening, which is a far right reactionary govt a la Trump taking power in the wake of no deal chaos. The left just isn’t strong enough to beat them unfortunately.

However I do think this is where the labour party are right now. More by accident than design though, but they have little option but to hold course and hope it works out. Their only other option is committing electoral suicide and political parties aren’t in the habit of doing that.

It’s perfect storm of s*** unfortunately on both the tory and labour sides, and I reckon there’s only one inevitable destination, which is a no-deal brexit. Our political system just isn’t capable of solving a problem like this.

As the economy tanks, with investors and businesses fleaing for the safety of the continent and the streets burn, out of those flames will emerge the brave new phoenix of the UK socialist republic, comrades! With Chairman Jeremy cheered through the streets by a grateful public

Spam and tractors for everybody!

Dim or what?

‘We are doomed.

26% of the people Sky asked think “No Deal #Brexit” means we #RemainInTheEU.’

The labour party has lost 150,000+ of their fabled 500,000 membership over the last year due to Corbyns por-Brexit stance. Would they be these ‘useful idiot moderates’?

Laughable that you’ve turned an ‘according to reports’ – to an absolute fact.

Care to suggest a single seat in the UK where you think more Labour voters voted Leave than Remain?

In my own constituency Bassetlaw.

And I would argue neighboring Mansfield too – though they had a shift to the Tories in 2017 but it is a tiny Tory ‘majority’. But they would’ve been Labour in 2016.

So that’s two on my doorstep.

I’m sure membership is holding steady, and its all a capitalist plot to undermine the upcoming socialist republic. And that’s what matter here. That and people being beastly to Dianne. That’s not on, either

Any other business comrades…?

So instead they will just cede to an alt-right coup?

No because it is a catch 22. If they stop the hard right coup on brexit then they will be potentially so weakened that the hard right coup would go ahead anyway.
Especially with people willing to repeat hard right news sources as fact in any old attempt to attack the current Labour leadership in order to try and return to the dreamtime when labour was chasing tories rightwards in order to court the swing voters and effectively telling their core voters to sod off.

Any other business comrades…?

Membership of the Tory party is … laughable.

Alastair Campbell for prime-minister eh?

Membership of the Tory party is … laughable.

It is, but please don’t get in the way of Binners posting his silly pictures again, because they make him feel superior to people who actually bother to join Labour.

Aah there we go – I was missing those Life of Brian pictures. Good old binners, finger on the pulse as ever!

It’s cleverer than you think because John Cleese is leaving the UK isn’t he?

Even if he doesn’t really live hear anyway.

And double funny because he backed EU leave in 2016.

Nice one Binman.

out of those flames will emerge the brave new phoenix of the UK socialist republic

Hardly. What we will (probably) have though is a tory party split into two, which pretty much hands labour power forever assuming they can hold together themselves. The question for the labour party is whether that prize is worth the hassle of governing a country in a no deal scenario?

The question for the labour party is whether that prize is worth the hassle of governing a country in a no deal scenario?

Hang, draw and quarter me but I can deal with Labour & no EU – but not Tories & no EU.

George Osborne in Evening Standard

As it happens, however, I understand why [Jeremy] Corbyn doesn’t want to enter talks with Theresa May. It’s all been a short-lived Downing Street stunt. The prime minister all but confirmed that on the call to the cabinet last night that was leaked.

She will never make the move needed to win over substantial cross-party support for a Brexit deal, because it would further rupture the Conservatives.

I predict that when the crunch comes she’ll put her party first, and that means she would favour a no-deal Brexit before no Brexit. Of course, parliament may well overrule her — as we’ll see this week.

Hang, draw and quarter me but I can deal with Labour & no EU – but not Tories & no EU.

Im not sure that it will work out that well for the ex-employees of JLR, BMW, Toyota, Airbus, Phillips Avent etc etc etc

who end up on the dole thanks to a Tory hard brexit

Today’s tale of an under cover gammon.
Speaking to a very nice and helpful lady in Mr Farage’s office today.
She thinks that there is a flat 10% on everything with the WTO. On hearing about the 30% chocolate tariff she said “they are even worse than the eu” and said that I should contact my mep.
She has forwarded my concerns to my local mep. Let’s see what happens.
She couldn’t have been more helpful just totally uninformed.

Corbyn could easily have gone in to the talks & come out & said that May wouldnt budge on her red-lines (which we know she wont)

who end up on the dole thanks to a Tory hard brexit

That’s why I said Tories & NO EU is the worst combo.

Lot of people on the dole in my area already though.