Donald! Trump!

I think the issue with a podcast is it’s the softest of interviews – if I had a podcast & managed to get him on, I would do my best to piss him & get him to walk out in a strop.

But no one would want to come on ultimately because I wouldn’t tolerate guest bullshit.

Rogan knows exactly what he’s doing in order to stay top of the podcast tree.

Trump is really quite exceptional at changing hats to speak to whichever demographic he’s lasered in on isn’t he, you have to give him credit for that.  Those people he’s speaking to care about as much about politics as the average UK voter, so they don’t see or hear any of the contradictions and just lap up all of the rhetoric. It’s no different over here.

He, and his team, have done brilliantly since he hit the scene at finding those people and giving them what they want to hear.  The fact that he keeps their loyalty after everything he says and does says a lot more about them, than him.

Rogan just gave him the perfect platform to mobilise all the young male voters who don’t ordinarily vote, and they’ll have heard nothing that makes them vote for Harris. Another clever move by the campaign team. The fact that he kept the rally goers waiting too, so much contempt, but he knew what he had to do – and they are all in the bag already.

Harris is doing really well speaking to the moderate voter, but there might not enough of them.  I really, really hope that what increasingly feels like his election to lose mobilises more moderate non-voters somewhere.

Rogan knows exactly what he’s doing in order to stay top of the podcast tree.

I think it’s more nuanced than that. Rogan knows how to make guests feel comfortable and get a decent conversation out of them, which is why he’s top of the podcast tree in the first place. You don’t do it from any kind of adversarial stance.

He does however, have a penchant for conspiracy theories and overly simplistic narratives that explain things in black and white, which is exactly Trump’s brand.

The psychology in that means they can talk like buddies for hours on topics they are both enthused by. I wouldn’t surprised if Trump’s advisors gave him a list of discussion points to go in with that they know Rogan buys into.

There’ll be other factors too, but on the whole, I find it depressing how normalised Trump’s behaviour has become, and the idea that ‘the left’ is controlling the media and acting unfairly against him, to me is frightening. The only thing acting against Trump are moral standards.

You don’t do it from any kind of adversarial stance.

Entirely depends who he chooses to interview though. Having a conversation with Brian Cox, Neil Degrasse Tyson, Alex Honnald or Adam Sandler is fine, those people aren’t grifting. You’re failing if you take that same approach with people who’s whole shtick is their controversy. – Jordan Peterson, Alex Jones Andrew Tate and so on. If you’re going to have these chancers on your program (although Christ knows why you’d entertain the idea) then at least use to opportunity to push back otherwise Alex Jones is just gong to come on and lie to your face, while you nod along looking stupid.

Rogan has had some interesting guests on over the years, and he had a bit of the “Louis Theroux” technique where he just makes the guest comfortable and lets them speak. But due to his propensity for conspiracy theories and promoting toxic masculinity, even just cherry picking an episode with an interesting guest leads to my youtube feed filling up with shiiite and spending days or weeks just clicking on not interested or “don’t recommend channel” to clean it up.

Youtubes algorithm is largely responsible, and I can see how people can be sucked into that online world because of it, but he is part of that toxic ecosystem so it isn’t all on youtube.

With jokes about African Americans carving watermelons instead of pumpkins, Puerto ricans living on a trash island, latinos being unable to stop breeding, a deranged rant about Palestinians by Giuliani and a guy chanting America for Americans only
Also Musk being deeply weird

Just for clarity – the ‘jokes’ were sadly not delivered by Trump himself – but by comedian who has previous & they have obviously distanced themselves. Although I am fairly sure the act would’ve been rehearsed & approved by the Trump campaign.

During a stand-up set in May 2021, Hinchcliffe was videotaped insulting Peng Dang, an Asian American comedian who had introduced Hinchcliffe after performing the previous set at Vulcan Gas Company in Austin. Hinchcliffe said Dang was a “filthy little ******* *****”, followed with a series of Asian stereotypes in a mock Chinese accent, and lashed out at audience members who laughed at Dang’s jokes, branding them as “race traitors”. 

Here’s what America could look like if the people behind Project 2025 get Trump in place to enable their plans. A Christian Nationalist dictatorship with the military being used to back them up against any perceived ‘threat’ from anyone who isn’t a staunch MAGA Supporter, the EPA defunded, and much more.

https://www.propublica.org/article/video-donald-trump-russ-vought-center-renewing-america-maga?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=ProPublica/magazine/All+Stories

Do you reckon that’s it from Taylor Swift, or have they saved her up for a last week impetus blast?

Not sure she would change much now

but dems really need to turn out the vote or Trump will walk it

I predict a Trump dead cat to distract from the puerto rican stuff

I read that her asking people to register got 450000 young people to register. Obviously not all  will be Harris voters but it shows what sort of influence she has.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/taylor-swift-voter-registration-harris-endorsement-b2612021.htm

I predict a Trump dead cat to distract from the puerto rican stuff

I think you’re getting Haitians and Puerto Ricans mixed up 🙂

Looks like Musk’s $1m prizes/ giveaways/incentives/bribe might be blowing up in his face – looks like all the weaselling to skirt around rules preventing financial incentives to vote / register to vote and means he’s fallen foul of lottery legislation instead

He seems to have stiffed a lot of the people who participated in his $47 registration bribes, apart from a handful who had payouts in cash delivered to their door for photo ops it seems non of the other participants have actually received any payouts

Anyone thinking the Hinchcliffe jokes will do any damage are deluded

There’s actual audio footage of Trump boasting about assaulting women. He’s a convicted felon. His conviction relates to an extra marital affair.

None of that has done any damage to his popularity. A joke by a 3rd party means nothing now.

Sadly, I think he wins next week with ease.

Sadly, I think he wins next week with ease.

Certainly early voting has been record breaking for Republicans, including in those swing states

Still hoping that dems will turn out to deny him there

With polls so close it’s all about turnout

Anyone thinking the Hinchcliffe jokes will do any damage are deluded

Lets hope the Hispanic and other minorities were watching, I think trump has been making some surprising gains in those demographics, this should stop that at least.

What surprises me is how supportive the majority of the jewish community appear to be of him, they should know how fascists treat minority’s. Once they are no more use to him in attacking the “left” he will turn on them probably deport them, and he will nuke Israel if it suits his agenda without hesitation. He is not their friend they are making a pact with the devil believing any good will come from their support of him in the future.

why does that ^ sound so familiar…. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c23kdjxxx1jo

That New York rally was truly unhinged. Absolutely terrifying! Even by the usual standards of the cross-eyed, six-toed MAGA headbangers. Elon Musk literally howling at the moon pretty much summed things up.

God only knows what will happen if Trump loses with all those tooled up loons already well and truly down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. There’s no way he, or they, will just concede the election. Not a chance.

Lets hope the Hispanic and other minorities were watching

Well I assume they were watching back in 2015 when he said central and south American immigrants were mass rapists so I would hope the damage is already done to the Hispanic votes

There’s no way he, or they, will just concede the election. Not a chance.

I think a lot of Reps have already said they/he won’t.

We could definitely see widespread violence if he loses.

The panorama expose on Trump is just starting on BBC2.

The CIA have destabilised and overthrown worse governments over the years than the Trump administration ever was or could be.

A nice parting shot would be Biden giving them unrestricted powers to operate domestically!

Your assumption that they’d be anti-Trump is horrifyingly deluded.

Your assumption that they’d be anti-Trump is horrifyingly deluded.

Yeah good point. While one of the key aims of Project 2025 is to effectively turn the US into a dictatorship, it is a pesky right wing one, so he’s probably safe

Conspiracy theorists need to remember that all the text messages for the secret service agents in DC on January 6th ‘somehow’ got deleted

These Trump supporters on the Panorama programme are bloody terrifying.

A right wing simpleton who can be controlled via vanity and money is almost certainly a CIA wet dream – especially if he happens to be the one in control of their budget and power but is too stupid to understand either.

Well, that was a worrying programme to watch.

Well, that was a worrying programme to watch.

Currently away so will have to watch on catch up later in the week. There’s been a few similar sounding documentaries in recent weeks.

Has anyone candidate in their electoral history ever had this level of cult like devotion? Watching the panorama doc and it’s staggering. They remind me of the clearly unhinged people that were obsessed with Michael Jackson and would follow him around and camp outside his hotel. Those people all seemed to have common traits

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Has anyone candidate in their electoral history ever had this level of cult like devotion? Watching the panorama doc and it’s staggering. They remind me of the clearly unhinged people that were obsessed with Michael Jackson and would follow him around and camp outside his hotel. Those people all seemed to have common traits

It really feels like the US and the world frankly, is on a very dangerous course if he wins.

Can you imagine watching this if you live in Ukraine? The poor sods are going to be shafted if he wins, after all the sacrifices they’ve made. Utterly tragic.

I would hope the damage is already done to the Hispanic votes

Unfortunately it seems the Hispanic community – or at least the 50-or-so Texas-located Mexicans I work with – vote along conservative religious lines, and that generally means whoever is standing for “the party of family values”. I just hope that the recent Madison Square Garden thing might finally snap a few to their senses.

It is mind-boggling the amount of brainwashing going on over in the US. Some really, really clever people I work with, including young women, are all for Donald Trump because the “Demoncrat/adrenochrome harvesting/child-abuse/trans-rights/drag queens/migrant caravans/whatever other nonsense you can think of” story has been blasted at them 24/7 from their preferred news media for the last 8 years and they 100% believe it. Us Brits try talking to them about how DJT and the current Republican/MAGA party are perceived and they just wave it off because “the BBC is liberal fake news” and we can’t possibly know what’s really going on in the USA. It generally somehow then pivots to the UK’s “muslim problem”, how most UK cities are no-go areas for white people, how knife crime wouldn’t be a thing if we were allowed guns, and that’s why they’re voting Donald Trump – because they don’t want the US to go the same way.

It’s equal parts exhausting, fascinating and horrifying.

I’d have liked it if Jamie had fact checked all the stats and statements Trump was spewing out, I’m not sure all were 100% correct.

how knife crime wouldn’t be a thing if we were allowed guns

How on earth can you counter that sort of “logic”?

He’s right though, we’d have a gun problem instead.

The CIA have destabilised and overthrown worse governments over the years than the Trump administration ever was or could be.

A nice parting shot

fify

A hair parting shot

it seems the Hispanic community – or at least the 50-or-so Texas-located Mexicans I work with – vote along conservative religious lines

Yeah a significant number of south and central American immigrants fled left/communist dictatorships or regimes and are very pro republican as a result.

Nothing says you love your husband/ wife like an air kiss. 😀

Nothing says you love your husband/ wife like an air kiss. ?

And her hands placed in what’s likely to be an often used position to keep him at bay, saying that she’s quite a piece of work herself

It really feels like the US and the world frankly, is on a very dangerous course if he wins.

Really, why is that?  So far as I am aware, Trump conducted no military strikes on other nations during his last stint in office, he started no wars, unlike some of his predecessors.  He has stated that he is in favour of a peaceful, negotiated settlement in Ukraine.  So where is your evidence for this apart from hearsay, hysteria and scaremongering from those who seek power for themselves?

That New York rally was truly unhinged. Absolutely terrifying! Even by the usual standards of the cross-eyed, six-toed MAGA headbangers. Elon Musk literally howling at the moon pretty much summed things up.

What parts in particular did you think were unhinged.  By unhinged, I assume you mean ‘Nazi’ or ‘Fascict’.  What statements made do you believe were actually Nazi-like or fascict?  Or do you simply take what you read in the Guardian, NYT or other far-left biased media as gospel, without seeking a balanced opinions on world issues?

right wing simpleton, racist, conspiracy theorist, etc.

Calling Trump supporters names does little apart from show to the world your own dreadful lack of awareness of the current issues affecting many US voters and why they might be disenfranchised by the current situation.  Seemingly, there are some so far down the far-left rabbit hole, they are incapable of accepting that someone who has a different opinion to them might just have a valid point.

Really, why is that?  So far as I am aware, Trump conducted no military strikes on other nations during his last stint in office, he started no wars, unlike some of his predecessors.  He has stated that he is in favour of a peaceful, negotiated settlement in Ukraine.  So where is your evidence for this apart from hearsay, hysteria and scaremongering from those who seek power for themselves?

Trump and his team launched over 60 strikes on Syria and Isis, set out the terms for the US withdrawal from Afghanistan.  Increased US fence spending by 20%.  Emboldened NK, Russia and Israel through his “diplomacy”.  He destabilised 6 different regions of the world not including the USA.

What statements made do you believe were actually Nazi-like or fascict?  Or do you simply take what you read in the Guardian, NYT or other far-left biased media as gospel, without seeking a balanced opinions on world issues?

Actually, it was the people that worked directly for Trump during the last administration that said he had fascist leanings.

Calling Trump supporters names does little apart from show to the world your own dreadful lack of awareness of the current issues affecting many US voters and why they might be disenfranchised by the current situation.  Seemingly, there are some so far down the far-left rabbit hole, they are incapable of accepting that someone who has a different opinion to them might just have a valid point.

Trump is a simpleton.  There’s no getting around this.  He simply doesn’t understand even basic things like how planes fly, how boats float or how just because bleach kills things, that it’s  not as simple as putting it inside people.  Recent examples include Hydrogen cars “blow up, they just blow up”  His supporters cheer at these statements.  Draw your own conclusions if you like but what I glean from this is that they too don’t understand even many basic things and just want to rail against the things they dislike or the change they don’t want to see.