And fools seldom differ
Reckon Hillary's campaign is about to implode though, so the previously laughable Brexit/Trump catastrophe is about to happen, just need pestilence and, errr....the other one and we're in for the big one.
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- Everything is crap, are you scared of change, your scared aren't you scared. We are not scared
and for some light relief
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Trump [url= https://politics.slashdot.org/story/16/07/27/1627250/trump-calls-for-russia-to-cyber-invade-the-united-states-to-find-clintons-missing-emails#comments ]calling for Russia[/url] to hack/release Clinton emails....?
Holy shit, this's guy's nucking futs.
"Trump calling for Russia to hack/release Clinton emails....?
Holy shit, this's guy's nucking futs."
Maybe, or maybe he's just said something extreme to trick you into spreading the message of Clinton's E-Mails on social media...
Oh right because you've not heard about them?
It's a dangerous game. He's a dangerous man.
"He's a dangerous man."
Then don't help him control the agenda.
Sheesh. That told me what I can write didn't it...
Whatever.
Ive read articles from many sources that the Brexit vote was essentially folk lashing out at the political elite, caused by all of the lies, corruption etc. over the recent years. This could easily apply to the US election too. The first few paras of this article pre-Brexit sums it up quite well
"That told me what I can write didn't it..."
I apologise for putting it that way. Of course you're free to spread Trump's propaganda, but I'm free to call you out on it.
What's the propoganda? Hilary had some emails on a private server? We all know the story by now. How many US users does this UK-based liberally-slanted MTB forum have? How many of them are going to read that post and say "OMFG I am so voting for Trump now!"
I'd wager none.
However, I do think that his comment shows great recklessness, a total lack of understanding of the danger of possibilities of encouraging and perhaps condoning such access of US networks. I think it makes him look like more of a tool, so my matter of consideration ("narrative" if you will) is that, on another level/facet he's an ignorant foo' and that the Hilary email thing is not the issue at hand.
And I won't be told what I can write by you, thanks, so save your keystrokes.
How many US users does this UK-based liberally-slanted MTB forum have? How many of them are going to read that post and say "OMFG I am so voting for Trump now!"I'd wager none.
Well this "liberally-slanted MTB forum" did used to have 3 or 4 US users, I have no idea of their voting intentions though. They don't seem to post much now though, I guess they might have been put off by the constant anti-American ridicule and hostility by the sanctimonious liberally-slanted who find such bigotry acceptable.
Yeah, even that chap's stopped shilling his book here 'n all 😉 *
Apart from the grumbling above** I am usually as welcoming as possible, even to Americans and people who come from outside of Cornwall.
So are you agreeing with me [I don't quite know.] that it's not a place where talking about Trump's outpourings is a problem? It is a shame if STW isn't diverse - but how to change it?
*Seriously,. it was lovely when Charlie was around, but he really came across badly over that.
**I [b]hate [/b]being told what I can say. I am "Just a guy, you know" on the internets, that is all. It's worth only as much as you want it to be worth, but it's still my freedom to type it 🙂
"liberally-slanted MTB forum"
Is it Jamba and Ninfan keeping us from being horizontal?
I don't get the America bashing, I have some truly brilliant American friends who are closer than my family. They have different views to me on many things.
I guess they might have been put off by the constant anti-American ridicule and hostility by the sanctimonious liberally-slanted who find such bigotry acceptable.
This is me - I know I am guilty of this both here but also in the real world. I'm not proud because if it was aimed at a particular race, faith, gender or sexuality I'd be having words with myself.
The problem is that whilst I try not to generalise in most things I do, I do struggle with not doing it with Americans. I've just met so many narrow minded, introspective Americans who are comically naive both about the rest of the world geographically as well as culturally I can't help myself. Not just the inbred hicks either - we had a couple people come over to us from Harvard who may well have been very smart but by god were they ignorant about everything non US centric. It made the undoubtedly intelligent thoughts they were here to share with us have zero credibility. It also didn't help that one sounded exactly like big bird, but that's going off on a tangent. The truism about Palin believing Africa was a country just gets confirmed by so many Americans I meet. And then they hang on to their silly gun control laws and Trump manages to become a candidate and they look a lost cause.
Whenever I meet an American who appears to break the mould they turn out to be Canadian!
I internally try to justify my generalising negative thoughts by reminding myself that they are a rich and powerful country and should have the education to know better.
Seems old donald is quit happy to do over his supporters as well.
[url= https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/26/the-creator-of-the-viral-pro-trump-act-usa-freedom-kids-now-plans-to-sue-the-campaign/?postshare=2561469542879678&tid=ss_tw ]The creator of the viral pro-Trump act ‘USA Freedom Kids’ now plans to sue the campaign[/url]
So it does appear to be happening. This time it's not just a Drumpf statement, but as I mentioned before, I suspect he's not helping with the invitation to actually do it.
In the simplest way, leave a monkey in the room with a hand grenade and it's a case of when not if the pin comes out. Go Donald
Trump is still going to win. Along with Brexit it's just one of the signs of the apocalypse.
I would love to dismiss your assertion Bongo. Unfortunately I think you're right.
The end of world will be ushered in, as all us baldies have long suspected, by a succession of ludicrous haircuts....
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Honestly I'm a little more optimistic having seen fox news are coming round to the idea of a Clinton 3rd term 😉
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/03/fox-news-poll-clinton-leads-trump-by-10-points-both-seen-as-flawed.html
As he cannot carry his "own" party he wont carry the electorate
Farage very popular with a certain type repellent to the majority
and back again 🙂
Was going to start a neighbour/boundary fence thread but keeping it in one place
He told a cheering crowd in Arizona that he would secure the border, and left open the possibility that millions of illegal immigrants be deported.
Hours earlier, he met Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto but said they had not discussed financing the wall.
The president later insisted he had told Mr Trump Mexico would not pay.
He accused his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton of wanting to grant amnesty to undocumented immigrants and of advocating "open border" policies.
Reacting to Mr Trump's visit to Mexico, she said he had "choked" by not asking his hosts to pay for his wall.
Like any good keyboard warrior, forgot to actually mention the big issues when he popped round to see his neighbour
He seems to be getting more mentally unstable each day. Could he be sectioned?
Every time I see or hear that racist, daughter fancying, tiny handed, dead red squirrel wearing **** nugget, I'm reminded of the line in Sage Francis's Makeshift Patriot: "so wave your flag with pride, especially the white part"
He is a racist in a business suit, I'm sure the illegal immigrant stance he has will only extend to those of countries he feels are a coloured threat to his utopia.
mikes posts are not that bad and that is a little unfair 😉
Nate Silver calls it for Hillary
[url= http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo ]FiveThirtyEight[/url]
I think even Trump gets it now.
chubstr - MemberEvery time I see or hear that racist, daughter fancying, tiny handed, dead red squirrel wearing **** nugget, I'm reminded of the line in Sage Francis's Makeshift Patriot: "so wave your flag with pride, especially the white part"
TBH just about every line applies... He's got the megaphone, promising to make heads roll.
Neil Degrasse-Tyson made a good point the other day. On the US ballot, there should be a option to select none of the above. If that option wins, then both parties have to submit new candidates.
As at the moment.....
I haven't followed this thread, but I just read [url= http://theoatmeal.com/comics/fireworks ]this on Oatmeal[/url].
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36854572 ]Still thee best Trump wall[/url]
From the Beeb:
Meanwhile Rick Wilson, a conservative political consultant who has embraced Evan McMullin's third-party presidential bid, called Mr Trump's speech "hideous word vomit".
I may adopt that phrase.
Trump's "Maginot Line..." 😆
Neil Degrasse-Tyson made a good point the other day. On the US ballot, there should be a option to select none of the above. If that option wins, then both parties have to submit new candidates.
We should have that too...!
This should be interesting, Melania Trump is suing the Daily Mail for $150 million over claims that she was a sex worker. Whoever loses, we win! 😉
[url=BBC News] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37253025 [/url]
She's absolutely not a sex worker.
She is married to and presumably sleeps with billionaire Donald Trump... because of his charming personality and great sense of humour.
@shermer - yes indeed. Daily Mail has already published a retraction, that won't save them from a world of legal pain and expense.
Trump is sadly the better of two very poor candidates. The outcome is far from certain imo
I imagine his devastatingly good looks came into to somewhere as well as his lovely hair and his teeny tiny handsShe is married to and presumably sleeps with billionaire Donald Trump... because of his charming personality and great sense of humour.
😆Whoever loses, we win!
😯Trump is sadly the better of two very poor candidates
Unless he is stood next to Hitler No
i think we will all agree they are two tainted candidates and hardly the best of the best but to think trump is best you need to be a redneck a little racist, incredibly stupid or a combination of all three
@shermer - yes indeed. Daily Mail has already published a retraction, that won't save them from a world of legal pain and expense.
I see they tried the old 'we published the allegation while making clear it wasn't true' trick. It will be nice to see that defence failing miserably. Let's hope they have a clause in their libel insurance about reckless publication leaving them with the entire bill.
Happy days!
Trump is sadly the better of two very poor candidates.
You get loonier by the day.
I see they tried the old 'we published the allegation while making clear it wasn't true' trick
Like most of what Trump say?
You get loonier by the day.
Odd, who is more dangerous, the bloke who knows how to play the media like a fiddle, or the woman who sends top secret information to her own unsecure email server to avoid FOI laws?
As far as I know (and this comes from watching episodes of 'The Good Wife' lol) libel laws are different in the US- something along the lines of having to prove that you [i]didn't[/i] libel someone, whereas in the UK you have to prove that you did..
who is more dangerous
What is this piss easy questions for beginners?
Trump is sadly the better of two very poor candidates. The outcome is far from certain imo
😯 bonkers
yes indeed. Daily Mail has already published a retraction, that won't save them from a world of legal pain and expense.
This is just a part of the strategy of introducing the inflammatory topic, stepping back, then letting the hard of thinking run with it.
Trump uses the same by making a statement, for example, that a particular racial group are violent druggies that need imprisioningbut what are you going to do? Eh? Eh?
Blue touch paper well and truly lit.
There was a more recent campaign in this country where the same was used. I can't remember what it was though. The same level of dodgy tactics were used.
Trump is sadly the better of two very poor candidates. The outcome is far from certain imo
Better in what way? Could you be a bit more specific as I just see a crazy attention seeking idiot?
I know Jamba spouts nothing but drivel, but that's a bit harsh captainsasquatch.
😆
Comment about Trumps speech the other night
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The best part about Trump's plan is that it only needs two things to be successful:
1. Some trains
2. Ovens.</p>— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) September 1, 2016
And quite a few people have compared the current situation in the US to Germany in the 1930's.
So the Dacre Daily had to back down.
She may not have been a "sex worker" then, but she sure as hell is one now.
Trump is sadly the better of two very poor candidates.
You are John Coleshaw, and I claim my 5 pounds.
And quite a few people have compared the current situation in the US to Germany in the 1930's.
I am sure they have made that comparison so as to demonise Trump but the key differemce is he wants to deport people in the US illegally which is something the current law requires but its just not enforced. As he pointed our 1 million Mexicans enter the US legally everyday.
Hillary is looking increasingly in trouble over these emails - FBI trnascripts show her defence to questioning was the "I can't remember" this time due to having a stroke in 2012. Can't remember ever being given security training on what was classified material and relying on aids to only ever send her non-classified material 😯
2 and a bit months to go
the only thing required to demonise Trump is to quote him.so as to demonise Trump
Except he won the nomination, really quite easily. He was up against a weak field,msound familiar ?
As I have said many times I thiught he'd drop out humiliated and had zero chance of winning even the GOP nomination. Now he is in a 2 horse race for The White House. He could win, he really could.
he cannot even win over all the republican party and he has the appeal to middle ground voters that Corbyn does. That is before we even get to the Latino and thr Black vote and the female vote
He is essentially half way between a bond villain and an Austin powers villain and his eau de cologne is hints of narcissistic megalomaniacal racist
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/20/donald-trump-jnr-compares-refugees-poisoned-skittles-twitter-reacted ]Junior is a chip of the ol' block[/url] 🙄
Junior is a chip of the ol' block
Aye - comparing the "politically correct agenda" of Syrian refugees to eating Skittles. Amazing.
But [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37416457 ]as the BBC points out[/url] plenty of people are prepared to defend him and agree with that position!
Well just caught the second half of the debate, apparently Trump stronger to start but looked to get lost and more Trump like, the fact check isn't looking as good for Trump either. The commentators handed it to Clinton and the awkwardness of the Trump camp after was telling with all the Clinton's meeting and saying hello to people in the crowd.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-presidential-debate-fact-check?lo=ut_a1
Trump-Clinton, if ever there was a sound reason for dictatorship its there, how did a country that gave us the Rooservolts, the Kennedys, Bush Snr and Obama get into this state?
What the hell....do 1 million Mexicans really enter US everyday!!!
The population of Mexico is less than 130 million..if that number was correct Mexico would be deserted in about 5 months
Gwaelod - maybe they all go back again in the evening?!!
I really don't get all the vitriolic hatred for Clinton. Mainly in the american press and sections of its public. A few on here obviously really dislike her - Can you explain?
yes I know she is a career washington insider with a long record of being paranoid about privacy and thats a reason to dislike her but why the level of hatred?
A few on here obviously really dislike her - Can you explain?
I don't have a full understanding of why she is so unpopular, but imagine Cherie Blair was the leader of the leader of the Labour party and see how that makes you feel.
Believe it or not, part of the reason is the fact she's a woman!
I work with a lot of 'Mericans.
The majority seem to hate Clinton, even the ones that don't like Trump seem to hate Clinton more.
Speaking to some of them and there is a problem that anything seen as vaguely socialist/leftie is accused of being communism. There is a great fear and hatred of communism.
It seems that once you get outside California and New York, most of them would appear as gun toting red necks to us.
There is complete disillusionment with main stream politicians, hence the rise of Trump.
tjagain - MemberI really don't get all the vitriolic hatred for Clinton. , but why the level of hatred?
Rockape63Believe it or not, part of the reason is the fact she's a woman!
Little or nothing to do with the fact she's a woman. There have been at least two threads about this on here recently. The main reason Americans seem to hate her is because she's totally corrupt - a living embodiment of everything that's wrong with America's political system.
Jambaliar will be along to cite Benghazi, e mail servers Clinton foundation etc all things that she has not been prosecuted for but throw enough mud and it sticks.
Amazingly a con man like Trump just seems to brush off anything or so his people think, when asked why he hadn't made his tax returns public he said he was being audited and he couldn't becuase it went against IRS rules which is a LIE, he also said he was clever in regards to his tax affairs. He didn't know what a blind trust was if he was elected president, he said his kids would run the business 😆
Also the Trump University scandal hasn't come into play or a lot of dealings with his charitable trust.
Trump is the most disiked Predisential nominee in history. Clinton is second. It's a battle between two terrible candidates.
Trump said he'll publish his tax returns once Hillary publishes the 33,000 emails she deleted before being investigated by the FBI. Everyone knows she used a private server for Government work so she can use "scrubbing software" and there would be no ability to restore them.
I am sure Trump doesn't publish his returns as like most business owners he pays very little tax. As he said "that's smart" after all he doesn't make the rules. Clinton Foundation is far more shady. As I said two terrible candidates,
Trump said he'll publish his tax returns once Hillary publishes the 33,000 emails she deleted before being investigated by the FBI
Except that we all know he would do no such thing. First is was the Audit, now it's the e-mails. If the e-mails weren't released he's just find some other excuse.
Clinton has been censured by the FBI for the e mail thing but no charges were pressed as they didn't have evidence, that's it it is done, let it go. Trump acting like a child I will show you mine if you show me yours.
No comment on the blind trust thing Jambaliar?
There is a great fear and hatred of communism.
So what do they make of Putin backing Trump???
And them exchanging compliments?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35124280
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37307018
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/trump-and-putins-relationship/500852/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/opinion/donald-trumps-putin-crush.html
Or that he has multiple advisors who are very Russia-friendly:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2016/08/10/another-trump-adviser-with-deep-ties-to-russia/
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07v2yt5 ]Radio 4: The Briefing Room: Trump and Putin[/url]
As he pointed our 1 million Mexicans enter the US legally everyday.
And here is where the bullshit really does stick. Throw out enough impressive sounding stats and people who WANT those stats to be true will repeat them without bothering to fact check. See also the Brexit campaign for abject lies passed off as truths..
Here's what the Pew Research CEnter says:
The number of Mexican immigrants living in the U.S. illegally has declined. In 2014, 5.6 million unauthorized immigrants from Mexico lived in the U.S., down by about 1 million since 2007. Despite the drop, Mexicans still make up about half (49% in 2014) of unauthorized immigrants. At the same time, unauthorized immigration overall has leveled off in recent years.
Lets not let facts get in the way of hyperbole though eh?
GrahamS - MemberSo what do they make of Putin backing Trump???
Putin isn't a communist. Not that this makes Trumps antics with Russia any less ridiculous.
Though, it's got to be interesting with the real meshback vote, where socialism = communism = bad, there's got to be an overlap with russia = communist = baddy. Maybe he can just take that vote for granted.
Really not sure what Trump gains from the Russia stuff though.
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GrahamS - Member
So what do they make of Putin backing Trump???Putin isn't a communist.
Exactly. What is Communist about Putin?
Trump-Clinton, if ever there was a sound reason for dictatorship its there, how did a country that gave us the Rooservolts, the Kennedys, Bush Snr and Obama get into this state?
You had a look at our choices at the moment? I don't think we've any room to be throwing stones.
And as well as those names you listed, they also gave us Reagan, and not one, but two terms for Dubya. A man who looked like he needed a carer to tie his shoe laces for him in the morning.
But I agree that the contrast between the intelligent, dignified, statesmanlike Obama and these pair of clowns couldn't be more glaring
I guess it depends if you view someone like Stalin as a communist or an ultra-nationalist hell bent on world domination. There's little to suggest Uncle Joe wanted a communist utopia rather than just absolute power.
Like Putin
What is Communist about Putin?
He's Russian - I'm just surprised that people with such an apparent paranoid fear of communism would make the distinction.
OzzyMan sums it up beautifully:
It would be excellent if the US and Russia got along better.