Only if you are white or have very few friends or relatives who aren’t white

A bit, if you’re white, you’re probably racist there.

I posted elsewhere where someone said, “only black people are victims of racism”, yeah, tell that to white Welsh, Irish, Scottish, hell even Liverpudlians, and I know a few who are and have got pretty angry about Welsh/Irish/etc jokes and called out racism (one reported as such to bosses at work).

All this gets a bit “if you’re not XXX then you are YYY” (where YYY is something bad), or “you can never understand unless you are XXX”. Bit like Mumsnet.

In my world I just see people that are my friends and colleagues and I honestly do not see the colour or race, and I live in a very multicultural mix. We’re all different but I don’t see that or see beyond it. That makes me racist for not appreciating the suffering though. I wish the world wasn’t like this and we all just get along, but we’ve a long way to go before one group stops fearing or hating another for their differences, hence all the wars still (and Brexit).

I think if a mixed race woman can marry and breed with a guy who used to dress up as Hitler, maybe this is blown out of proportion sightly?

I think he was trying to imply that most new born babies look like baby chimpanzee’s , and not like the grandparents who go batshit mental at being the first to hold he new born then solemly declare the baby has his grannies nose /ears / chin etc.
He just kinda forgot Megan was of mixed race descent and its also an insult to her heritage.
maybe

@raybanwomble

You are arguing against a point I didn’t make.

I was answering someone who posted:
“the abuser / bully / racist doesn’t get to decide whether or not they are abusing / bullying / being racist. That is entirely decided by the victims”

Was he not just on about wheeling the kid out for the cameras like a performing chimp?

Was he not just on about wheeling the kid out for the cameras like a performing chimp?

Yes, basically that’s it.

Was he not just on about wheeling the kid out for the cameras like a performing chimp?

Very likely he was, but then…………and if you don’t understand what happened next what do you understand ?? He’s paid the price for his moronic misjudgment, probably time to move on now.

Was he not just on about wheeling the kid out for the cameras like a performing chimp?

That and he’s amused by animals in unusual situations.

I suppose historic animal abuse isn’t acceptable either really, maybe that’ll be the next Yewtree?

I suppose historic animal abuse isn’t acceptable either really, maybe that’ll be the next Yewtree?

That’s the Spanish thoroughly intercoursed then…

Over on the Aldi car park ticket thread a forumite posted this:

Yeah….what type of swine would use their car park without shopping there and only because they’re going to West Park.

and illustrated it with a gif of a black child. Should we get on his case for stereotyping black people as lazy and slightly corrupt? I don’t for second think the poster is in anyway racist based on that post. Is anyone else outraged?

I posted that. It was the best gif of looking guilty I could find. Kid looks like I do when I scoop my children out of the back of the car and hustle them in to the park. Therefore I’m the Seine in that context. Plus I’m rather pink with a lack of hair and some bristles.

Should I expect outrage or a visit from the local constabulary

Could have been some unconscious bias involved I suppose but don’t think anything to be outraged about.

No, I’m not outraged it’s a reflection of their opinion, not mine. I think the poster might be when they’re called out as a lazy eejit with at least an unconscious bias against black people, but they’ve probably been on here arguing that they aren’t racist and anyone who supports black people are snowflakes. These ttitudes contribute to a hostile atmosphere towards non whites as this forum shows.

Of course the majority are going to agree with you, it’s an echo chamber of privilege and not a welcoming forum or sport towards anyone who isn’t cis white male with a lean to the right

WTAF are you seriously accusing me of being racist? What is your problem? I made a post reflecting the fact that I use a supermarket car park in order to visit my local park. To illustrate this I used the funniest gif I could find if a child looking guilty.

I honestly couldn’t give a shit what the child’s colour or heritage is. Should gifs now have a disclaimer attached stating you can only use them under certain circumstances or if you meet requirements of heritage or colour?

Not outraged or playing in to your hands due to your opening lines above. Just saddens me that anyone would jump to that conclusion, really makes me wonder how people’s minds work.

Exactly. I think nothing was intended but if anyone was looking to take offence they could.
That is not how I think the Danny Baker incident was. I still think he did not intend it to be taken like that but it was a massive failure judgment and the offensive nature in the post was substantial, even to those who had to have it explained to them.

EDIT: Missed a couple of posts. I never thought there was any intent to offend. I said as much in my post.
I certainly would be a lot less subtle if I had thought there was anything wrong there. Sadly your post was the first that came up as I was trying to point out the dangers of posting anything these days.
I am truly sorry for doing this now.

Not at all Eddie and I don’t mind in the slightest. Was a good illustration I just didn’t expect the response from others that the post received. Makes me genuinely feel a little sad. Not your doing at all

The irony here is that I took that Harvard test outlined a few pages ago. Turns out I have a bias towards black people. Maybe that’s why I chose that image and not the other way around. Either way faith in people has taken another blow!

I posted elsewhere where someone said, “only black people are victims of racism”, yeah, tell that to white Welsh, Irish, Scottish, hell even Liverpudlians, and I know a few who are and have got pretty angry about Welsh/Irish/etc jokes and called out racism (one reported as such to bosses at work).

Some of those people could be viewed as ethnic minorities – so yes – potentially racism.

For clarity, according to the UN “the terms xenophobia and racism often overlap, but differ in how the latter encompasses prejudice based on physical characteristics while the former is generally cantered on behaviour based on the notion of a specified people being adverse to the culture or nation.”

The general point stands that a lot of white people won’t get what is or isn’t racism in this country though, because the majority are white and have never had any abuse aimed at them purely for the colour of their skin. Stating that isn’t racist. Even if you are white Irish, there is at least now, a greater degree of acceptance in this country than if you are black or Pakistani – and you don’t have to worry about the fact that simply how you look makes you a target. The closest you would ever get to feeling what that is like is if you went a visited a country very few white people go, eg the DPRK and got stared at all the time.

I think in the UK it’s group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality or ethnic or national origin. That would include Irish, Gypsies etc. It would be incredibly ignorant to suggest that many Eastern Europeans haven’t experienced racism in the UK.

H&M, Pepsi, Nivea, footbal fans… now Danny. The unfortunate thing in all this is that people still associate blacks and monkeys. Either in a racist manner or to leap on anything that might possibly have a racist connotation. Thing is that the people doing the leaping are reinforcing the sterotype as they denounce it, giving it publicity and raising awareness for better or worse. And I can’t help feeling it reinforces prejudice in those who are already prejudiced. Poor blacks being compared with monkeys again, or poor Danny, it’s the blacks’ fault? The football supporters might not be making monkey chants as often but I dodn’t believe for an instant they’re less racist.

So Danny **** up, corrected and apologised. His wrist has been slapped, society needs to stop short of making him a martyr, using it to give more power to the racists who are already in control:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/01/windrush-injustice-minorities-basic-tory-instinct-may-hostile-environment

The football supporters might not be making monkey chants as often but I dodn’t believe for an instant they’re less racist.

That whole post seems a bit disingenuous.

It becomes less socially acceptable and that changes attitudes over time.

Male attitudes towards women are not as bad as they were 200 years ago for example.

@funkmastererp as a joke you’ve re-enforced a negative stereotype which is harmful to people’s life outcomes, to possibly how many thousand people on the forum?

I understand that it’s unintentional but it still causes harm as it influences people’s views. It is saddening to think that my kids have to attain and achieve more to even be recognised as equal to a white person. It is saddening to think that my kids face higher scrutiny as people automatically think the colour of their skin reflects their personality. Yet you’re sad because you can’t make a joke which benefits your privilege?

My kids are coming home with a police escort on Monday, are yours chased down the street and threatened because of the colour of their skin?

It is saddening to think that my kids have to attain and achieve more to even be recognised as equal to a white person. It is saddening to think that my kids face higher scrutiny as people automatically think the colour of their skin reflects their personality.

It is.

Yet you’re sad because you can’t make a joke which benefits your privilege?

I think you’re reaching here and are trying to read stuff into someones words that I don’t think was there.

Sorry but you seem to have a very binary view of the word.

Just showed the tweet to my mixed race wife and her African dad (Is it racist to say he’s black?)
Neither thought there was any racist connotations until I explained, and he’s a football fan who goes to a handful of games a season.
They actually thought it was an amusing pee take of the privileged royals.
Was a misjudgement by Danny, but can completely see how it could happen without meaning to be racist.

Yet you’re sad because you can’t make a joke which benefits your privilege?

Utter horse shit. Why do you think the gif I used exists and was uploaded in the first place? It is there as a tool to use exactly as I (and probably thousands of others) have. The situation that your kids and you are in is horrendous and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. However, you are looking for things that simply don’t exist here. If I were you I’d stop using the Internet, watching TV, films or reading anything. Your capacity to read racism in to something that simply isn’t there is staggering.

I’m not sad, I am saddened by the attitudes of people. Racists among them and sadly people like you that jump to conclusions or think there has to be an ulterior motive behind the use of a simple gif. Next time In future I’ll only ever use gifs depicting white kids from Yorkshire so as to avoid the chance of offending anyone outside my heritage. Does that work for you?

I’ll only ever use gifs depicting white kids from Yorkshire so as to avoid the chance of offending anyone outside my heritage. Does that work for you?

If you don’t have the social awareness needed to spot obvious racist imagery – yes.

If that is how you take me posting a gif to illustrate something that I do, just because the subject of the gif is a black kid, then it is you that needs to be more socially aware and has some deep seated issues. What, you want to make gif segregation a thing now? This place can be great and then it can be like this. Utterly perplexing and just plain **** ridiculous.

That’s me done with this place after eight years. Flounce one niner has taken off!

Wow! Someone else links your post from another thread detailing how it could be interpreted as racist and I detailed the detrimental and harmful effect it can have on people’s life outcomes and you blame me for pointing it out rather than have a rational discussion and admitting you made a faux pas? That’s gaslighting and you say I have issues? Yes, I do with bigotry. Is that wrong?

Then you go on to say that if I don’t like it I should keep away from media and descend into pettiness,<span style=”font-size: 0.8rem;”> and you say you’re not racist?</span>

Racism is more than just hate

Would it be terribly un-woke to post the Ron Burgundy “well, that escalated quickly” GIF?

Asking for a friend.

you say I have issues? Yes, I do with bigotry. Is that wrong?

Not if you have correctly identified bigotry.
If you see it where is isn’t then yes it is very wrong.

Where have I heard this before? Oh yes:
“Let’s go and burn the witch! If she floats then she is a witch, if she drowns then she’s not.”

I made the original linking post about how something innocent can be made to appear bad and BAMMMMMM! I deeply regret doing it at one level but at another I am appalled.

…and not at funkmaster.

I’m going to ride my bike again.

Burgundy?

That’s a colour isn’t it? Hmmmm. Rubs chin…

That’s me done with this place after eight years. Flounce one niner has taken off!

Don’t let yourself be bullied off by folk who have extreme – and unpopular – views.

Sure is getting unfriiendly in here. Animosity reaches a new high and there are four 2-days-ago threads on the bottom of the chat forum index page.

“Stand down people, he’s been the victim of a politically correct STW hit mob! He was taken out of context! The excuses are endless. The wholedebacle and its aftermath can teach us a lot about how racism works.

Let the gaslight in commence

Encountering this kind of abuse, you face a crossroads. Swallow the bitter pill and act like nothing happened, or confront it. Either way, in a group of non-allied white people, the racist wins. If you say nothing, you both know there will be more of it to come. Confront it, and you face the wrath of the group.

There’s no way to ‘prove’ racist intent. And so those who find the abuser likeable give them the benefit of the doubt. They haven’t lived through this scenario a hundred times over in their lives, and so they (knowingly or otherwise) perpetuate the abuse by further alienating the target. It’s gross.

Then he paints himself as a martyr to the “outraged” offence-seekers who are hounding him, and that’s the real problem here. Then comes the whitesplaning, giving him their mark of trust.”

That’s a paraphrase of an article written for The Canary by Kerry-Anne Mendoza but it applies to every argument about racism, I guess that’s why Reni Eddo-Lodge is no longer talking to white people about race.

I’m not surprised that you see the idea of treating everyone with respect an extreme idea, anything that is seen to threaten your right to freedom of speech and privilege is immediately set upon by the forum. You only have to look at other threads on gender or sexism to see that anyone other than cis white males are unpopular on here, any other voice is silenced.

aweeshoe

Cockwomble

Aweeshoe – You’re showing a certain inflexibility of thinking here which is understandable in the context of your other posts on this site, but which isn’t really advancing your cause or the debate in general.

Just because the users here don’t want to tolerate your hectoring tone or swallow your SJW dogma verbatim, doesn’t mean they’re oppressive members of the patriarchy or that they even really disagree with you on the core points.

TLDR: It’s not totally black and white you know (pun intended)

You only have to look at other threads on gender or sexism to see that anyone other than cis white males are unpopular on here, any other voice is silenced.

aweeshoe – frankly you’re coming across as ridiculous and seem to be always looking for a fight. Yes, women are still in the minority here but, you know what, I’ve certainly not been subjected to any sexism, or ageism whilst we’re at it. I’ve met some very good people over many years and am only sorry that I’m no longer able to ride with them.

Stop and smell the roses.

Encountering this kind of abuse, you face a crossroads.

Exactly. You’re are bullying folk on this forum and you should be called out for it.

For a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Sorry ssbnreso, you’re bang out of order with that comment

chakaping

Aweeshoe – You’re showing a certain inflexibility of thinking here which is understandable in the context of your other posts on this site, but which isn’t really advancing your cause or the debate in general.

Yup, I agree.

Aweeshoe, earlier in the thread I said, quote : “Aweeshoe your first post hit every nail on the head. Well said”. And I meant it.

But you need to learn when to let go, because you risk alienating the very people that you are most likely to convince.

If that is how you take me posting a gif to illustrate something that I do, just because the subject of the gif is a black kid, then it is you that needs to be more socially aware and has some deep seated issues. What, you want to make gif segregation a thing now?

Did you just compare the segregation the black community in America and South Africa experienced to the social repercussions of you posting of dodgy gifs that may or may not be offensive? 😀