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  • Contador, the new anti christ!
  • Oxboy
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    A spectator at the tour has just been told off by police for waving a juicy steak around on a BBQ fork, me thinks Contador is now the pantomime villain this tour!

    mrmo
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    the whole thing is a farce, Contador is the best tour rider regardless, i also suspect he is being tested alot so i would have thought something would have shown up if he was doing something now.

    But the whole thing should have been sorted before now, he stands to be stripped of last years tour, this years giro, and whatever he does this year. No one will remember who wins this years tour if Contador wins and looses the title. No way to win the tour, ask Pereiro.

    wingnuts
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    Totally agree the UCI are so crap. It should have been sorted for the sport let alone Contador. If he and (particularly) Armstrong go down then all the sponsors will walk away. Shame it won’t happen to footy in the same way.

    donsimon
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    I don’t think it can put you in a good frame of mind if there is the threat of a ban hanging over you.
    It will be interesting to see how he holds up.
    He has to give it 100% even though it might not be worth anything.
    He is probably the most tested rider now, the result this year will be 100% clean for him.
    There is going to be day to day abuse from the press and the fans.

    Oxboy
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    If he is 100% clean this year it will be interesting to see what he’s made of.
    Top sledging though by the spectator!

    rOcKeTdOg
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    Is contadors bike different to his team mates to show the drug cheat easier?

    j_me
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    I have a strange feeling of deja vu

    anagallis_arvensis
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    i also suspect he is being tested alot so i would have thought something would have shown up if he was doing something now.

    David Millar was tested a lot as World TT champion too

    scaredypants
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    he sure as hell won’t make the same mistake as last year – whether that was blood doping from a contaminated stash (my belief) or eating meat whose provenance can’t be demonstrated and contaminants GUARANTEED not to be present

    Crell
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    A spectator at the tour has just been told off by police for waving a juicy steak around on a BBQ fork, me thinks Contador is now the pantomime villain this tour!

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    Very funny, but already done on the Giro with a fan running alongside Contador on a climb holding out a long stick, with a steak on the end of a rope, right in front of him. Couldn’t find the video unfortunately. I would like to see a “herd” in fancy dress running alongside him though.

    FuzzyWuzzy
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    Yeah it’s a joke, glad he’s getting booed. Don’t want to see him hurt but I wish someone would chuck a bucket of cow’s blood or something over him…

    onehundredthidiot
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    Do you honestly think that he’s (if guilty) the only doped rider? That the Schlecks are whiter than white? It’s a case of the top tour rider having doubt cast over his “cleanness” and then absolute condemnation from all sides. Yes probably contaminated blood doping but honestly, read “Bad Blood” then tell me about the cleanness of the sport. They probably don’t use on the actual tour, anymore, but in order to be able to operate at that level needs something.

    Anti-doping doctor Don Catlin considered this explanation plausible.[89] Contador stated that he is the victim,[90][91] and he can “hold his head high” and that he thinks he should not be punished.[92] Several people related to the sport said that there is little benefit from using the drug, especially in the amounts that were discovered.[93][94][95]
    The UCI issued a statement reporting that the concentration was 50 picograms per millilitre, and that this was 400 times below the minimum standards of detection capability required by WADA, and that further scientific investigation would be required. Contador was provisionally suspended from competition, although this had no short-term effect as he had already finished his racing programme for the 2010 season.[96][97][98] Contador had been informed of the results over a month earlier, on August 24.[99] Later the amount discovered was clarified as 40 times below the minimum standards, rather than the 400 times originally reported by the UCI. Contador’s scientific adviser claimed that he would have needed 180 times the amount detected to gain any benefit in his performance.[100]

    Junkyard
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    Whole sorry affair sullies the sport. Whatever your view, I assum ewe all would prefer it resolved within a year and before the grand tours.

    It’s a case of the top tour rider having doubt cast over his “cleanness” and then absolute condemnation from all sides

    That is what happens when you fail a drug test.

    Bez
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    I assum ewe all would prefer it resolved

    I thought it was beef, not lamb? Anyway, to assume makes an ass out of ewe and meeehh.

    Shibboleth
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    I wouldn’t be surprised if he was physically attacked out on the road. The French are pretty passionate when if comes to cycling, and there’s a helluva lot of bad blood (pardon the pun) towards Cuntador, who they feel has devalued this year’s and last year’s race.

    In fact, I’d be surprised if he makes his way thought the entire Tour unscathed.

    cynic-al
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    what 100th said.

    The daily Mail naivety of those thinking one guy is bad and everyone else whiter than white never fails to have me shaking my head.

    LIFE IS NOT SO SIMPLE

    TandemJeremy
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    onehundredthidiot – all irrelevant. Strict liability should apply – drugs in your system = ban. Thats what the rules say.

    Junkyard
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    No one is saying no one else cheats. What they are saying is that when someone is caught cheating [ or with illegal doping agents in their blood if you prefer] then the rules need to be applied.
    those who “defend” Contador by saying others cheat – what would you suggest we ido about the positive result?

    mrblobby
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    Suspect that most riders who do get caught by testing these days have just been a little careless with their doping regime. Maybe not following their doctors advice to the letter, or a bit of contamination of equipment. Suspect this is what happened to poor Bertie.

    Are the UCI deserving of the stick they are getting? Surely it’s the Spanish federation that deserves a kicking?

    Munqe-chick
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    They have been taking EPO for years it just takes time for these tests to develop, so as previously stated he “may be the most tested” doesn’t mean he’s clean! Look at Armstrong!

    5thElefant
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    Anti-doping doctor Don Catlin considered this explanation plausible.[89] Contador stated that he is the victim,[90][91] and he can “hold his head high” and that he thinks he should not be punished.[92] Several people related to the sport said that there is little benefit from using the drug, especially in the amounts that were discovered.[93][94][95]

    Clenbuterol is usually used for weight loss or a slight edge in power events (it was popular in weight lifting).

    Baxter got caught out in the winter Olympics as it was in an OTC cold remedy. Haga was cought out in World Superbikes by an OTC weight loss product and lost a championship.

    It’s not obvious how a beta-antagonist would help a skinny endurance athlete.

    coffeeking
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    so as previously stated he “may be the most tested” doesn’t mean he’s clean! Look at Armstrong

    Did I miss something, has Armstrong admitted/been caught at something?

    TandemJeremy
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    I think what happened to Contador is he was blood doping IE getting transfusions of his own stored blood and also using Clembuterol out of competition. The new test was much more sensitive than he realised and thus detected previously undetectable traces of Clembuterol in his blood after he received the transfusion on a rest day.

    Just a theory / opinion

    coffeeking
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    Clemnbuterol out of competition

    Edukator
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    Catlin is even less credible than the riders he tests. He went as far as to claim he didn’t even know who ArmstrongCatlin didn’t know who Armstrong was was in the 90s. We are talking about the rider that had already won the world road race championship and was plastered al over the American press for his cycling and triathlon exploits. Anyone on here over 40 and vaguely interested in cycling that had never heard of Armstrong by 1996?

    5thElefant
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    I think what happened to Contador is he was blood doping IE getting transfusions of his own stored blood and also using Clembuterol out of competition. The new test was much more sensitive than he realised and thus detected previously undetectable traces of Clembuterol in his blood after he received the transfusion on a rest day.

    Just a theory / opinion
    I’m curious as to what you think he might have been using Clen for in training?

    mrblobby
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    Seems more plausible than a dodgy steak.

    Shibboleth
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    I was under the impression that Clenbuterol was assimilated very quickly and left no trace in the system after 48hrs (correct me if I’m wrong).

    If that was the case, the beef producer must have fed the drug to the cow less than 48hrs before it was slaughtered.

    Why would a farmer, who is obviously trying to maximise his profit, give expensive drugs to an animal and then slaughter it before the drugs had a chance to increase its yield?

    clubber
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    I’m curious as to what you think he might have been using Clen for in training?

    The consensus is that it was to help weight loss.

    5thElefant
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    The consensus is that it was to help weight loss.

    Sure, that’s the main use of it. I find it hard to believe any cyclist at that level could be a porker.

    clubber
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    All of the serious GC contenders are underweight during the tour – that’s why so many get ill during it – the immune system is supressed.

    For that reason, they deliberately don’t stay down at weight for the whole season. Most riders put on a few lbs (or if it’s fat Jan, a few stone 🙂 ) during winter and then lose it during training camps – which is exactly when anecdotal evidence suggests blood it taken for doping reasons.

    Edukator
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    Clenbuterol is also as good as steroids for putting on lean muscle without the androgenic effects which make it a favourite with female athletes. Long term it damages the heart so go easy on it.

    Edit: why do you think farmers use it? Cattle with lots of lean muscle and low fat fetch good prices at auction.

    crazy-legs
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    The consensus is that it was to help weight loss.

    One of the reasons but it’s also a broncho-dilator and it causes an increase in aerobic capacity, oxygen transportation and lean muscle.

    TJ’s theory above about him using it in the off season and subsequent blood transfusion is the most likely one.

    5thElefant
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    All of the serious GC contenders are underweight during the tour – that’s why so many get ill during it – the immune system is supressed.

    For that reason, they deliberately don’t stay down at weight for the whole season. Most riders put on a few lbs (or if it’s fat Jan, a few stone ) during winter and then lose it during training camps – which is exactly when anecdotal evidence suggests blood it taken for doping reasons.
    Ah I see. Clen for a bulking/cutting cycle makes perfect sense as does TJs cunning theory.

    RealMan
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    ransos
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    Contador’s only defence is that he ingested the banned substance accidentally. That others dope, or that the level was below the level of detection in many laboratories is irrelevant.

    Proof is required, not supposition.

    cynic-al
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    Junkyard – Member
    No one is saying no one else cheats. What they are saying is that when someone is caught cheating [ or with illegal doping agents in their blood if you prefer] then the rules need to be applied.
    those who “defend” Contador by saying others cheat – what would you suggest we ido about the positive result?

    I know it’s not that simple, it’s just castigating only those that get caught seems a little simple-minded.

    Recent comments on Millar etc. FWIW I’d be surprised if they weren’t all doping, and it’s those that get caught that are unlucky.

    But then am a stupid liberal that has some leanings towards the “once someone’s been punished let them move on” camp.

    clubber
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    Condador hasn’t been punished yet…

    deadlydarcy
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    When can we start doing all the “Glen” jokes? That thread was much funnier 🙂

    Junkyard
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    aye all I forget who but someone asserts that until the times start dropping in the tour he will consider they are still doping
    It is interesting I am asure they all take supplements just legal ones.

    Either way it sullies the Tour how many champions recently have /will be stripped of their title
    Real man too subtle 😉

    oh and Darcy you can do it glen you like
    IGMC and which thread missed it

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