[Closed] Conspiracy theorys......does anyone believe them?

Depends what you mean really. I believe quite a few things are probably not really the way they are presented in mainstream media/by the government. Also, try reading some of the published CIA records of some of the shit they got up to in S America for an example of some pretty nutty 'conspiracies' - and that's only the stuff that they released under the freedom of information act.

Just generally looking at history is a fairly good way to see how realistic 'conspiracies' are. Unless you believe society now is fundamentally different to how it has been the last few hundred years.

I think the best argument against huge international conspiracies is huge incompetent governments. 😀

I suspect the [i]real[/i] conspiracies are far more mundane.

Umm, not the clearest of questions, but if you're asking whether we are told the whole truth and nothing but the truth by our Governments then the answer is "yes", I do believe in conspiracies.

Case 1: UK and US torture policy.

huge incompetent governments

... the reason for conspiracies!

I was fairly skeptical about the Diana conspiracy until I watched this

My favourite one is about Belgium not existing.

Yes-- they are the new religion, able to meld into anything you need or want to say.

you will need to be more specific about 'conspiracy' , at local or regional level its likely that lots of underhandness goes on, at national level its more difficult, at international more so again, but as for some omnipresent 'shapeshifting' lizard cabal -- only in the movies

Diana conspiracy

Certainly no evidence she was unfaithful at all...

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😀

Kaesae to the forum...

The thing that worries me about threads like these is how many of the contributors are new world order shills.

Those in the know can tell you that the knights Templar are the ones really pulling the strings, who are off course themselves pan-dimensional lizards, who in reality are all clones of Margaret thatcher.

Of course, HAARP and chemtrails are a government conspiracy to control global weather, which I'm sure kaesae would agree with.

Certainly no evidence she was unfaithful at all...

There's certainly plenty of evidence that British royalty and British aristocrats are all inbreds. Charles, Diana, and Hewitt, were all related.

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And here's another ginger aristocratic inbred .... Diana's sister :

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Depends what you mean really. I believe quite a few things are probably not really the way they are presented in mainstream media/by the government. Also, try reading some of the published CIA records of some of the shit they got up to in S America for an example of some pretty nutty 'conspiracies' - and that's only the stuff that they released under the freedom of information act.

Just generally looking at history is a fairly good way to see how realistic 'conspiracies' are. Unless you believe society now is fundamentally different to how it has been the last few hundred years.

This

Its quite clear. Ask yourself:

a) Why hasn't anyone been to the moon since?
b) Is Bin Laden really dead, or actually did he actually exist as any more than as a "face" for anti terrorism propaganda?
c) (with respect) 911 has given everyone a good reason to be in oil rich countries
d) Where are the WMD's?
e) Are 29ers anything more than a alternate marketing ploy to drive revenue? 😉

So, are we saying that all the gingers are lizards who rule the world or something? I'm confused....

Oh, and the princes look nothing like the chap she was, ahem, spending time with at a well known Chelsea gym....
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Oh and f), the archived moon landings detail will be available out of is secretive state soon. Or will it.....

Someone keeps posting "Truth Seeker" type YouTube videos on various threads, started by himself.

They seem to occasionally feature the well known King Of Conspiracy Theorists (and complete nutjob) Alex Jones.

So at least one person on here has been taken in by the "Truth Seeker" Conspiracy Theory [i]Cult[/i]

Alex Jones?

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Conspiracy theorys......does anyone believe them?

Conspiracy Theorists???

I hear that next month the mag will include a free aluminum foil deflector beanie. The AFDB is a proven guerrilla tactic against the government's invasive tactics. Only for Premier members though.

cy from cotic is behind the recent spate of caravaning spam mail.

Kryton, no. Not that one 🙂

This one:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_ops

My favourite was the BlackOps SONAR tests that killed a load of whales and a mermaid. Damn thing was covered up, but some scientists did some tests and recovered a body and did a show about it on Discovery Channel. Interesting stuff and makes a load of sense when you watch it. I didn't mind about the lack of actual hard evidence, because they used CGI which is so real it's basically the same, and there was a well in-depth narrative about mermaids in folklore, the amount of stuff on mermaids means they pretty much have to exist, right?
Ask yourself this. How do we all know what mermaids look like? If we evolved from the water, how do we know we all came out the water and that some of us didn't get at it with fish or whatever?

Ask yourself this. How do we all know what mermaids look like? If we evolved from the water, how do we know we all came out the water and that some of us didn't get at it with fish or whatever?

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David Ike stayed at our house when I was young, the tape to tape recorder was doing odd things and he claimed things like this always happened where he went! I think the heads just needed a clean.
I've had the Queen Mother put her arms around me(I was 6), she smelt overpoweringly of roses and I was petrified like I've never been before or since.
Of course there are things going on that we are not party, I know that for sure, but how I know might be deemed illegal so I'm keeping quiet!

've had the Queen Mother put her arms around me(I was 6), she smelt overpoweringly of roses and I was petrified like I've never been before or since.

yes the smell of rancid piss is pretty strong

My favourite is the Paul McCartney dead conspiracy.

Wembley Arena believes enough people believe:

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I think you hit the nail on the head when you said you grew out of it.

Depends what you mean really. I believe quite a few things are probably not really the way they are presented in mainstream media/by the government.

This is just natural scepticism not conspiracy theory.

Lifer - Member
Wembley Arena believes enough people like to point and laugh

FTFY

He does look like a cadaver - are you sure there is no truth in it?

All conspiracy theories are false (and all workplace rumours are true).

The reason being that all the hundreds and thousands of conspirators would have to have kept their mouths shut all this time. And that's never going to happen.

My favourite Kennedy fact is that because Jackie Kennedy got Alzheimers she was the only person who couldn't remember where she was when he was shot.

The reason being that all the hundreds and thousands of conspirators would have to have kept their mouths shut all this time. And that's never going to happen.

Not in all cases. And there are plenty of examples of lots of people keeping their mouths shut, see Hillsborough for one.

The Gulf of Tonkin incident is quite an interesting one too.

Yes, my point egzakkerly. Many did, but many didn't. There aren't any credible Kennedy/Moon Landing blabbers.

[i]All conspiracy theories are false (and all workplace rumours are true).

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This one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_Unburied#Conspiracy_theories

Why would there be a DA-Notice 05 in place?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dunblane-Unburied-Sandra-Uttley/dp/1905553056

i have a theory that conspiracy theories are in fact a conspiracy to divert susceptible peoples attentions away from the real cover ups which are often (as previously pointed out) far more mundane.

There is a tendency in alternative circles to exaggerate issues and to try to outdo each others ideas as to what is really going on/they are not telling us and it ends up with stupid stuff which is obviously BS.

This has the effect of discrediting its proponents even if there is some truth in what they say as they are unable to get sensible people past the way out there bits.

A good example is the aeroplane contrail/chemtrails issue.
The first (contrails) is a recognisied problem causing global dimming, a concept many people no little about.
The second (chemtrails) is laughable to anyone with a science/engineering background (or in fact anyone with a shred of common sense)

so my question is how feasible is it that there is a certain amount of subterfuge going on in the underground media/protest/conspiracy scene bearing in mind what we now know about these movements being infiltrated by those from law enforcement/government and automated forum posting/trolling.

bearing in mind what we now know about these movements being infiltrated by those from law enforcement/government and automated forum posting/trolling.

What do we now know ?

(Genuine question by the way)

do religions count as a conspiracy theory? they seem to have a lot of people hoodwinked

bearing in mind what we now know about these movements being infiltrated by those from law enforcement/government and automated forum posting/trolling.
What do we now know ?

we know that at least one copper shagged a load of hippy chicks

I don't know if the whole conspiracy theorists/truth movement is more about just hunting down the one scrap of concrete evidence needed to prove that the powers that be are the exploitative manipulating ****s that we all know them to be deep down..

To be honest, once you've torn up the rule book in the belief that it's all utter bollocks, and you're moving exclusively in like-minded circles, then it's pretty hard to look back at conventional society and not think 'hold on, there is something deeply ****ing sinister going on there..'

To be honest, once you've torn up the rule book in the belief that it's all utter bollocks, and you're moving exclusively in like-minded circles, then it's pretty hard to look back at conventional society and not think 'hold on, there is something deeply **** sinister going on here..'

True enough, but its just the same the other way round isnt it ?

when you live in conventional society, surrounded by like minded people, it's hard not to look at the "truth seekers" and think "Hold on, those nutters will believe any old shit that's fed to them" 😉

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Re nealglover
there are many cases of agent provocateurs causing havoc (at demonstrations for example) as well as usual embedded agents... this is pretty old hat and has been going on for decades. ( I might go into specifics but dont have time/access to bookmaks atm)

and yes (kimbers) the mark stone case was interesting aside from the shagging hippy chicks 🙂

What surprises me is the lengths(in terms of resources and time) that these organisations will go to in embedding personel for such limited objectives. I suppose you only need to have the occasional outting to spook the whole community (and knowing folk who knew pc stone, they were really spooked)
the one that gets me is the social media thing.
this was insightful I thought:
http://rt.com/usa/news/trapwire-abraxas-cubic-surveillance-251/
although russia today has a tendency towards the alex jones end of the spectrum.
I ve seen a few similar stories recently, im not able to get to my bookmarks atm but will post a few others which have got me thinking recently.
its certainly interesting the shape of the paradox. I think the topic has been summed up quite well!
I think though that recently the mainstream has been focussing on things which are not right and just, yesterday i watched the recent panorama about tax evasion which has been going on for years and just hit the mainstream.
thing about corruption in my experience is that it is the norm in all countries in the world. the difference is how good people are at covering their tracks/arses!

Didn't the Press have quite a large conspiracy involving both the police and the politicians?

thought these were quite good on the social media bot side of things:

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/313493,russia-creates-social-media-propaganda-systems.aspx

http://socialnewsdaily.com/2608/how-bad-is-bot-abuse-for-social-network-brands-infographic/

The problem with a conspiracy is as soon as one is declared the tin foil hats take every denial as proof that it exists.

They can't be disproved only proved.

Do I believe in them not so much.
Do I believe that there are governments doing things in secret then sure thats just life. The grand ones on mass poisonings, moon landings etc are just balls (IMHO)

The main reasons generally come down to
People not being good at keeping secrets - some have but not that many
People actually being organised enough.

Knights templar, bohemian grove, bilderberg summits, NWO, aspartame, google me please

I always thought conspiracy theories were thought up by dumb people who sounded good. Someone sees something they don't understand like a moon landing and immediately comes up with a ridiculous theory to cover up their lack of understanding. Then they start talking about it and because they're a good orator or are fairly charismatic they get listened to. The unfortunate thing is that the internet provides a platform where dumb people can reach a much wider audience of other dumb people.

It's *exactly* the same as religion.

Oh, and STW I've just realised.

See Disk brake cleaner, cycling specific socks and bedding pads in. 😉

Some people appear to believe that all conspiracy theories have been false, ie, that never in human history has there ever been a conspiracy.

Most peculiar ...... as peculiar as believing that there have been no moon landings or that Princess Diana was assassinated.

There are a few questions about the moon landings I would like answered.
The radiation on the moon is immense. All their photos came out perfectly and as far as I know the lunar astronauts didn't develop cancer.
If the moon suits are so fantastic at deflecting radiation why aren't they worn by people at nuclear accidents?
If I never post again you will know that I got to close to the(ir) truth.

And facing BB shells

[i]If I never post again you will know that I got to close to the(ir) truth. [/i]

Likewise. I expect the disk brake cleaning industry is already mobilising its 'extreme predudice' killing squads.

looking at the current swathe of protests in southern europe, this one caught my attention:

Personally I want to find out the real truth behind Eccentric Bottom Brackets.

Sometimes they're not even dumb people. I once worked with an extremely bright chap. One day in the pub he spent 30 mins explaining about the 9-11 conspiracy stuff and how it was all true and that he'd seen stuff online that was proof. He sent me a huge pile of links to articles and videos that proved it but was all from other foil-hat wearers. I ignored the subject after that as it seemed like it was almost a mental illness.

Conspiracy theories tend to credit those supposedly orchestrating them with the ability to organise a piss up in a brewery. When you then look at said accused, this tends to become somewhat difficult to believe

"conspiracy thorist" is a more polite way of saying "attention whore" isn't it?

some people deliberately go through life trying really hard to be different so they're noticed. bit like a kid playing up when it wants attention.

There are a few questions about the moon landings I would like answered.
The radiation on the moon is immense. All their photos came out perfectly and as far as I know the lunar astronauts didn't develop cancer.
If the moon suits are so fantastic at deflecting radiation why aren't they worn by people at nuclear accidents?
If I never post again you will know that I got to close to the(ir) truth.

It is reckoned that for the Moon Landings to have been a Hoax, it would be a conspiracy involving between 400,000 and 450,000 people.

Pretty strange that nobody from that number has ever come forward, in 40 odd years, with anything to show it as a Hoax ?

some people deliberately go through life trying really hard to be different so they're noticed. bit like a kid playing up when it wants attention.

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...as far as I know the lunar astronauts didn't develop cancer.

Aren't there mirrors on the moon too that the so called astronauts put there?

I think there was a conspiracy to keep any stories about Jimmy Saville being a paedophile covered up. It would have involved various folk in the media, the press and the judiciary but maybe not as many as covered up the (non) moon landings.

I think there's probably plenty that we're not privy to, and I wouldn't trust any government to be completely honest with the general populace, for a whole host of valid and not-so-valid reasons.

However, anyone how genuinely thinks that the moon landings were faked is, if you'll pardon the pun, a lunatic of the highest order. Apart from anything else, don't you think the Russians might have noticed?

Call me a theorist if you want but I don't think Dr Kelly really ate a load of co proxamol and cut his wrist on his own.

aspartame

My mate is a industrial food technologist. He designs many of the ready-meals and processed meat products we buy in the supermarket. He told me not to consume anything containing aspartame. If it was anyone else, I would ignore them. But Rich knows his business.

Your logical fallacy is: False Authority Syndrome. Thanks for playing. Who's next?

Call me a theorist if you want but I don't think Dr Kelly really ate a load of co proxamol and cut his wrist on his own.

My Father-In-Law was a close friend of his (best man at his wedding, I believe). He doesn't think so either.

The sinking of the Titanic was an insurance fiddle.

I've read it in an actual book, not the internet, so it must be true.

Call me a theorist if you want but I don't think Dr Kelly really ate a load of co proxamol and cut his wrist on his own.

I get what you're saying but what theory are you floating. What we have so far is a conspiracy suggestion, not a theory

I get what you're saying but what theory are you floating. What we have so far is a conspiracy suggestion, not a theory

an unshaven dwarf

Like dopey. [i]Of course[/i].
Damn it.

Dr Kelly's death was extensively discussed in my peer group. Absolutely no-one thinks it was suicide. We're just not sure who paid the murderer.

And there were no WMDs in Iraq just a sexed up dossier, it was Bush's private war; which was a former conspiracy theory.

We're just not sure who paid the murderer.

I remember at the time of the incident thinking Robert Maxwell's fall from his yacht given everything that was going on around him (~£400 million siphoned out of Mirror pension fund) seemed a bit, well, convenient. It's only googling it now that I find all sorts of theories about him and his death. To be honest my own "theory" at the time; that his death was faked and he was whisked away to Israel with the help of Mossad to live out his last few years with his ill-gotten millions (shared with the state) was more outlandish than the murder theories 😯

I've never accepted 'official' versions of anything even when you look at historical stuff now, it's different from what was touted at the time.

I've had my doubts about the Diana thing ever since being told it was going to happen three weeks prior by a pal who was working in the personal protection business at the time, he then denied he ever said it even though he claimed she was pregnant, was threatening conversion to the Muslim faith and likely it would be a car accident.

The other theory I've always believed is the death of JFK at the hands of the 'Industrial Military Combine' via the CIA, rather than Lee Harvey Oswald and the Cuban interests..

If you ever visit Cuba, pay a visit to their museum of the revolution, it's a total eye opener if you happened to live through that period as I did as a youth.

'Nothing is as it seems' I think sums up life very well that and 'don't believe everything your read in the papers, except the Daily Mail of course 😉