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  • Bummocks, Condemned Boiler. I have questions. . .
  • Premier Icon Sandwich
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    The 30 year old condensing boiler has just been serviced and condemned as unsafe. Perfect timing for the oncoming winter.

    Options are looking like:
    Go all electric (possibly ruinously expensive and complicated by the enforced change to Octopus currently underway)
    New gas boiler from someone reputable.
    Wood pellet boiler with optional generating Sterling engine attached to knit my own power and sell some back to the grid.

    Over to the massed specialists here for some opinions.

    Premier Icon midlifecrashes
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    Get thee to Boxt.co.uk, thou shalt be toasty by Thursday teatime.

    Premier Icon 136stu
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    Forget the boiler. Put a dynamo on your bike and put the bike in front of the TV. The pedalling will keep you warm and the dynamo can power everything else.

    Premier Icon Sandwich
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    @136stu That’s not going to work as I’m responsible for coffee and cake production at home, both of which are required to power my bike(s).

    Premier Icon sharkbait
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    Do you have room for a pellet boiler and feed hopper?
    I’m not recommending then, just wondering (‘cos they’re big and require a lot of space)!

    Premier Icon footflaps
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    The 30 year old condensing boiler has just been serviced and condemned as unsafe.

    Maybe get a 2nd opinion? BG Engineers were condeming perfectly servicable boilers in their 1000s as they got a commission if you bought a new one from them.

    Premier Icon tthew
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    I’m sure all the other options would be great for different reasons, but they sound quite time consuming to organise and install. Not something to really do as a stress purchase.

    Premier Icon nixie
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    Second boxt. New one installed within a few days a couple of years ago. Best the local firm we had used for years could do was 2 weeks (in January when we had a small child).

    Premier Icon maxtorque
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    What does “condemmed as unsafe” actually mean?

    Sounds like “ohh, we can stiff you for a couple of grand to replace a perfectly good boiler with a new one” to me……

    Premier Icon northernmatt
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    What does “condemmed as unsafe” actually mean?

    Probably a leak from the combustion chamber or similar. As it’s 30yrs old parts are probably no longer available. Though if it’s 30yrs it’s probably not a condensing boiler either.

    Premier Icon footflaps
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    As it’s 30yrs old parts are probably no longer available.

    I can still get all the parts for our 30 year old boiler inc all the seals necessary to stop any leaks….

    Edit I believe the gas solenoid valve isn’t available new, but I could probably get one from a scrap yard.

    Ours also has a slight leak in a weld by the drain tap in the back of the chamber, which drips rusty water down the wall occasionally. One too many flushes with DS-40 acid to clear out all the limescale (very hard water region).

    Premier Icon wheelsonfire1
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    Our first condensing boiler was over 30 years ago. Now got a Worcester Greenstar i, made in Clay Cross! Five year guarantee if serviced every year and it is very efficient with good hot water flow and quick heating start up.

    Premier Icon Sandwich
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    Boiler condemned as combustion chamber leaks and combustion is incomplete lots of CO output through the flue. The necessary seal is no longer available (we had the last blower unit in Eastern England 2 years ago). It’s an Ideal boiler which had to have new parts in the first year as they had a design fault that caused problems with combustion residue fouling the auto-pilot light. It doesn’t owe us owt and newer ones will be more efficient and hopefully more reliable out of the box.

    BG not involved in the servicing at all. They fitted it originally and I’m aware that they’re sharks. This was a recommended gas-safe chap who won’t be involved in the new supply/fit (no time until next year for that job).

    Yes it is a condensor about 1996 vintage though and cost a fortune as it was new tech then.

    Premier Icon big_n_daft
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    I can still get all the parts for our 30 year old boiler inc all the seals necessary to stop any leaks….

    The way gas prices are going it might be time to replace, or are you holding out for grants for non hydrogen compatible boiler replacements?

    Mine is on the way out, parts not available, the circuit board that was replaced 12 months ago is getting stripped and flogged on eBay.

    Premier Icon Sandwich
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    Thanks for the Boxt recommendations. I’m currently awaiting fun & finance control review of the proposals

    Premier Icon Twodogs
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    . It’s an Ideal boiler which had to have new parts in the first year as they had a design fault that caused problems with combustion residue fouling the auto-pilot light.

    Oh we had one of those piles of crap too. After having almost all it’s innards replaced several times in the first 2 years it actually lasted about 20 years.

    Premier Icon Bunnyhop
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    Ours hasn’t been condemned, however it’s been mended so many times now that we will have to get some other way of heating the house soon.
    All other options seem really expensive eg. ground source heat pump, air source heat pump, wood pellets boiler. Not sure if we could get solar panels and go all electric.
    Hoping that the more people that step away from gas heating, the cheaper the alternatives will become.
    Trying to be environmentally friendly when heating a home isn’t easy. We have a woodburner, but I’m loath to use it as every other person in our area has one now and the pollution in our area is noticeable.

    Premier Icon dannybgoode
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    I have no useful suggestions to make but I am determined to make bummocks a much more widely used expression of mild annoyance…

    Premier Icon big_n_daft
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    Anyone know anything about water source heat pumps? I’ve got riparian rights on a small tributary of the Irwell and an old house so airsource not enough and the back garden isn’t huge.

    Premier Icon northernmatt
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    @sandwich – do you have the boiler GC number? I have some contacts in the gas spares industry, I can see if they can track a seal down for you

    Premier Icon Sandwich
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    Thanks @northernmatt but it’s been faulty for a little while and there’s a fair amount of corrosion inside it. I suspect the brand new blower unit has broken things down with its better pressure. The recommended chap was pretty good as he did have a thorough check around for bits before he said it was dead. I was also sent a pic of the CO readings outside (>500).

    F&FC have told me to buy a new pack from Boxt. Fitting is at the end of the month. Day off tomorrow to fit a time-switch to the immersion heater and a bit of a bike ride (with mud) to get over the money spent.

    Premier Icon footflaps
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    I can still get all the parts for our 30 year old boiler inc all the seals necessary to stop any leaks….

    The way gas prices are going it might be time to replace, or are you holding out for grants for non hydrogen compatible boiler replacements?

    It’s probably not the most efficient (75% IIRC vs 90 something for a brand new one), but that 20% on our gas bill (£600 / year) would give a payback of 10+ years to break even on the cost of a new one.

    I just figure I’ll keep it going as long as a I can as that’s probably the most environmentally friendly thing to do (a new boiler etc has a lot of CO2 baked into its construction etc).

    Premier Icon Sandwich
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    Well it’s the job that keeps on giving. Timeswitch requires new wiring as idiot original electrician wired both the immersion and the boiler controls onto a 16A radial.
    Bits ordered from CEF (MCB and pattress boxes) and a day of cables and rewiring is in store! That leaves one spare way in the consumer unit and an electric car will use that for charging in the near future.

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