Brexit 2020+

Very odd. As I said, everyone I know is busy right now, and saying that near term projects still going ahead, and lots to catch up with. Shares prices in the industry suggest that’s not just a Yorkshire thing either. Not sure about residential demand being truly damaged either. Prices may be lower for a short while for houses hitting the market right now, but few people expect that not to pick up for builds to be released later this year once restrictions are further relaxed and the public return to planning the moves they have had on hold.

None of that relates to Brexit though.

Next year could be a whole world of pain.

Anyway… we need the farmers in this thread right now… step one of the Brexitiers screwing them has occurred precisely as predicted…

It will be a long time before I consider buying shares in any UK construction company.
Share prices generally have now lost contact with reality; we've been here before.
As furlough support unwinds we'll see a significant spike in unemployment; that will have a direct and immediate impact on the housing sector.
The simplistic measure of commercial construction activity is how many tower cranes are still operating.
There will be an over-supply of office accommodation as WFH becomes more established and redundancies happen; planned new developments will either be deferred or canned; partially built developments will either be completed or moth-balled - if completed, where are the clients?
Commercial rents will be forced down.
We're just in the early days; much pain to come.

https://twitter.com/RMcGreevy1301/status/1268657169911746564?s=20

I'm betting that by this time next year they won't have the option to quit, or they'll have their benefits stopped. And there's going to be an awful lot more people on benefits. We'll all be picking fruit and living in a caravan in Norfolk

Looks like that while everyone is distracted, Cummings is continuing to go through the motions of 'negotiations' while really just counting down the days to the deadline for extending the withdrawal agreement to pass, and then its a No Deal Brexit to look forward too for us all, with the economic carnage that will entail, on top of the Covid destruction.

Brexit was always madness, a No-Deal ridiculously damaging, but to plough on with it on top of the chaos in the economy brought by Covid is just out and out insanity!

Christ only knows what state this country is going to be in this time next year with these lunatics in charge

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1268863366501720064?s=20

The only trade deal they are interested in is a USA one… this has always been the case.

I agree Binners, it is utter madness and the lying bellends we have running the country will continue to blame the EU for a no-deal Brexit (even though that is what they have been foaming at the mouth for from the start).

It's OK, the grown-ups will be here in a moment to sort this out.

Who'd have thought a no-deal Brexit wouldn't be the shit sandwich, but just the cherry on top?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52934128

Oh, the easiest deal in history is a) really difficult and b) compounded by the fact that we're led by total lying idiots.

Still, I look forward to my chlorinated chicken and then paying a fortune to go to hospital thanks to the newly privatised / insured American style healthcare system.

So this transition/implementation period that ends in less than seven months… hands up if know you what your company is transitioning to and the changes it needs to be implementing…?

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-total-payments-to-eu-2020-1?r=US&IR=T&fbclid=IwAR1pA5NfLpsLPqwLpLxpT5yOn-DT4RRGC9IcV2lapAwC5xSqNIFA7zHCLwk

Great, another milestone to celebrate.

hands up if know you what your company is transitioning to and the changes it needs to be implementing…?

We ploughed an enormous amount of time and effort into expensive, messy workarounds and unsatisfactory bodges so we could continue servicing customers as best as we could in the even of no deal last year. So that again, but with a bit more time to iron out the worst of the grey areas. It'll work, but it'll be messy, expensive and unsatisfactory, with no upsides at all to the current arrangements with freedom of services.

We did a huge amount of work for the original date and it was briefed to us but it was so long ago I have forgotten most of it!

We expanded an office in Dublin from 100 to 1000 people and sent £166 billion of capital...

hands up if know you what your company is transitioning to and the changes it needs to be implementing…?

My employer is global and does a lot of R&D in the UK, so I imagine they're looking forward to being able to slash those costs and keep the skills in what might end up a low value economy.

has this article be posted yet?

makes a compelling case for the no deal brexit, and the consquences of a US Deal.

can't see a link?

Don't forget that we are going to "take back control" so everything will be fine and dandy!

I assumed that the lack of the link was because the article doesn't actally exist.

It does exist, Cummings is just finishing it off and Johnson will publish it after the Russian Report has been released.

sorry forgot to post link

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/09/boris-johnson-trade-deal-us-chlorinated-chicken

p.s. why does the forum log me out when i go to the last post of a converstation? makes posting really hard...

But BLUE FEKKIN PASSPORTS people.

https://twitter.com/jayrayner1/status/1270617688931434496

So as fish will be hard to come by the government are encouragning everyone to change. Next they'll push fodder beet and maize.

But BLUE FEKKIN PASSPORTS people.

I have ended up with one, its more black then blue!

Can you get maroon covers for them, just like people used to get blue covers?

EDIT Yes, you can!

Looks like it says EUROPRAM UNION! (I realise it doesn't, btw...)

Just great.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-uk-formally-confirms-to-eu-that-it-wont-extend-transition-period-12005296
I can't wait for the awesome trade deals to be announced. No doubt Boris will blame Corona virus for us not reaping the huge economic benefits...

The formal confirmation changes nothing. The door is stil open until 31/12 unless the EU shuts it and they won't.

Who knows there might be a revolution by then. Wishful thinking... .

The door is stil open until 31/12 unless the EU shuts it and they won’t.

It closes six months before that. To extend after the date that is laid down the in the withdrawal agreement requires a trade deal, with all that requires… votes in national parliaments etc.

Perhaps its yet again time to deluge local MPs, especially Conservative MPs, with emails about this issue?

This is the reality of the situation. They only need to brazen this out for another couple of weeks and they get what they've wanted all along. A no deal brexit.

https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/1271398188621193222?s=20

This is old apparently but I have only just seen it. It is the only Brexit related thing that has made me smile recently (or at all thinking about it)

The US trade envoy not feeling the special relationship too much in the Congress last night........

Back when "we" were the poor man of Europe, the dirty man of Europe, we had a choice - stick with our current trading agreements and partners or shaft them and join the EU.

The generation that was shafted are still around. Farmers have long memories.

Back then we were a "significant market percentage" to some countries. We are not now.

This link perfectly describes what our new, "Take back control" "Let the lion cough" trade negotiation strategy will have to be: Linky

Bin dun?

DfT tekernowlergy frum grot Bratin: Linky

Intel Socket?
Empty Intel socket?
References ARM - Remember them? Sold by the pound to Japan's SoftBank due to brexit.

We’ll have a world beating trade deal.

Yeah?, hows that working out for you?.

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References ARM – Remember them? Sold by the pound to Japan’s SoftBank due to brexit.

Which they declared to be proof of how succesful and competitive Britain is on the world stage. Like patting yourself on the back for selling your car for a fiver, then the next day getting a taxi for a tenner.

The ARM thing made me sad, ‘they‘ bang on about How great GB companies are then flog them off to foreign buyers as soon as they get a whiff Of profit, the patriotism and pride that is stoked in the public never seems to extend to the owner's 🙂

Anyway a few yachts and Austin Powers jet will get us back on track.

Only five years to go lads.

https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/

Opting out of the EU’s data protection rules has turned Hoxton into the software capital of the world.

Silicon Valley best watch it's back.

What a clown.

It's uncanny just how accurate his 2016 vision for how the next few years would pan out is.

The problem is that the idiots peddling this preposterous nonsense are presently in government and galloping headlong towards a no deal Brexit

I see we are taking the same world beating approach to Brexit as we are to Covid.

Just ****ing wing it lads, it will all work out in the end.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-06-25/britain-s-post-brexit-border-plan-has-a-truck-sized-hole-in-it

The government outlined its proposals for the border with the EU in an 89-page consultation document circulated to the industry. The section setting out how lorries will navigate the new customs processes consists of a blank page.

It's not even surprising anymore, is it.

Again… no one is surprised…

https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252485180/HMRC-yet-to-begin-building-UK-border-IT-system

The French have built and tested their IT system… it’s ready to go. And we haven’t even started building ours… we asked for Brexit, and then sat back and watched other countries prepare for it… so many examples of this over the last four wasted years.

From Kelvin's linked article:

"The French customs have tested their system. They’ve done it a couple of times and established that the data flow worked. The challenge is to make sure the lorries go where they’re told to go, but there are ways of achieving that. I am certain that the GVMS system will similarly be tested, but it needs to be built before it can be tested,” he said.

However, Reardon added that if “HMRC were to buy a licence for the French system, that would be a very simple thing to do and traders would like it”.

I laughed so hard a bit of wee came out.

I laughed so hard a bit of wee came out.

But we'll get mate's rates, yeah?

What with us being a member of......oh bugger, what are we a member of again? The League of Tinpot Populist States?

Have we done UK spaffing upto £500mill on it's own unworkable GPS system by investing in a failed US company?
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jun/26/satellite-experts-oneweb-investment-uk-galileo-brexit

Midnight last night was the deadline to extend transition.

So I guess that's it, were crashing out on 31st December with or without whatever deals are given to us. 😢

2020 hasn't been the best year ever but it's going to end on a real low note, even by the standards set so far!

Midnight last night was the deadline to extend transition.

So I guess that’s it, were crashing out on 31st December with or without whatever deals are given to us no deal. 

We are ****ed. The totally unnecessary economic damage on top of that caused by covid-19 is going to make this country a much worse place.

I foresee either real (and I mean real) civil unrest or, more likely, a totally cowed and subservient population taking out its frustrations on itself along predictable lines (race, class etc)

And all the while a rising kleptocracy as spiv developers get to run riot and outsourcing companies gut public services then hand the smoke-blackened shell back to the public purse. After creaming off a nice payout in the short term.