I hope they are both burgundy…
You can buy covers for passports.
Mine is bright blue with European Citizen in yellow.
To allow for upsurge in steam engine production?
Free jet packs for everyone!
“One of the things we’ll want to do is be particularly forward-leaning in technology and automation
Yep the t word that they keep on coming up with.
It’s mind bending how many things ‘we’ will actually be leaving and I did have to laugh when when recently heard the clown prince saying they’d ‘got Brexit done’.
He does like to re-iterate that ‘done’.
Technology? The solution to everything.
Good job the track record of government IT projects is so impressive.
A mate was working as a consultant for one of the larger government departments. He noted that we’ll no longer be able to use the EU IT infrastructure we do at present once we’ve left, so all those systems will need to be replicated.
They haven’t even started.
I’m sure it’ll all be fine. It’s sure to all be in place by December and completed at a reasonable cost
So… does this mean we’ll some how out pace technological advancement in Germany, or Holland… by not sharing air safety standards with them? Anyone have any idea how that’ll work? Is this on behalf of UK or USA companies do we think…?
They could just pay nurses £50k a year starting salary, I’m sure we’d get a load of new people starting training asap. Surely that’d fit right in with Tory values on market economics?
Yes - they always talk about private companies needing to pay the best money to attract the best skills.
But market economics only apply one way to the state. And that's the bottom line.
One of the areas where nursing vacancies are most alarming is private nursing homes… it’s not just the public sector where this is an issue… deterring EEA nurses from working here before putting in plan a place to recruit/train alternatives is damaging care for people across the country… and not just in NHS hospitals.
My friend's wife is a director of one of the Government's favoured IT providers to HMRC - apart from the nation's shortage of software engineers and the bit of a mess that having to onshore dedicated data centres from the EU back to the UK, I'm sure that it will all go swimmingly.
On a more general note, the chronic technical skills deficit across all sectors will help immensely in terms of "new technology" and businesses looking to invest in the UK - unless of course they'll recruit and retrain all those let go by Nissan, Airbus and the like, but who the heck is going to pay for it when you've just walked away from your biggest accessible market.
^^ Yeah,I read the BBC report on this earlier.
It comes across as the government ignoring any organisation in the know on what is purely ideological grounds.
We really are heading for the hardest best possible aren't we? At any cost.
Everything must be sacrificed on the alter of Brexit.
The predictions of ‘Project Fear’ are presently looking like a best case scenario.
God only knows what these Disaster Capitalists have got lined up for what’s looking like the inevitable meltdown we’ve got awaiting us at the end of the year. They certainly won’t be wasting a good crisis
It’s mind bending how many things ‘we’ will actually be leaving and I did have to laugh when when recently heard the clown prince saying they’d ‘got Brexit done’.
When and where will they draw the line on ‘us’ leaving things, and rejecting the idea of supranational rules and laws and being signatories to international agreements?
https://twitter.com/davidheniguk/status/1236369270965252098?s=21
I’d like to see these as just examples of how the logic used for withdrawing from shared bodies is flawed… but since 2016 I’ve learned to not rule out such nonsense actually happening for real, if there is political capital to be gained in doing so. For example, prominent Vote Leave campaigners claiming that we wouldn’t withdraw from Erasmus, that we wouldn’t leave the Single Market, that rEU citizens living here would automatically keep the same rights as they had while we were a member… etc… this project, that swept this Vote Leave team to power, appears to be an ever expanding and worsening rejection of all existing joint National schemes and arrangements… all.
The most worrying aspect is that once ‘we’ withdraw from everything, the people presently in government hand themselves a blank sheet of paper to write the new rules.
Do you want this lot writing all the rules?
The new UK constitution, brought to you by Dominic Cummings
The most worrying aspect is that once ‘we’ withdraw from everything, the people presently in government hand themselves a blank sheet of paper to write the new rules.
I don’t think they’ll actually be able to follow thru with it ,how many people is it going to require to set up and run the new stuff that we’re gonna need like yesterday.
I don’t think they’ll actually be able to follow thru with it ,how many people is it going to require to set up and run the new stuff that we’re gonna need like yesterday.
‘Technology’ (in reality = unicorns if you are capable of independent thought, but....well, you know).
Then when the unicorns don’t show up you blame unpatriotic civil servants.
The key thing to remember, a large enough proportion of their target audience are actual morons. Why change a winning formula?
dannyh
The key thing to remember, a large enough proportion of their target audience are actual morons. Why change a winning formula?
You can't really blame them. Recent tests on Leavers have shown that many were afflicted by a previously unknown illness originating in the north of England.
Novel Moronavirus-16 - longterm symptoms similar to Mad Cow disease and a propensity to swallow bullshit.
Plenty of middle England southern t**ts already had that virus....
The most worrying aspect is that once ‘we’ withdraw from everything, the people presently in government hand themselves a blank sheet of paper to write the new rules.
And when you combine that with aviation regulation things end up in burning piles of twisted metal and bodies.
oldmanmtb2
Member
Plenty of middle England southern t**ts already had that virus….
Correct. This is not a northern or southern issue.
I'm in Kent and as a Labour voter I've always felt like I'm in hostile territory.
It's just even more hostile these days.
We have burgundy for both !! small victories, small victories
Don't start me on Govt technology - main problem being that the govt doesn't know what it wants and doesn't understand technology in any meaningful way in order to get a product that might work.
The only logical solution is to wait for Boris to completely fold when it gets to crunch time (like he did in that meeting with Varadkar) and we end up in a CU but with a daft name to make out like we are getting what we wanted all along to sell it to the tabloids
the govt doesn’t know what it wants and doesn’t understand technology in any meaningful way in order to get a product that might work.
This is true. Because the civil service doesn't pay well, and only attracts people who want a safe easy job with a short commute. These people aren't always the best most clued up talent, and they can very easily get done over by predatory firms.
My friend’s wife is a director of one of the Government’s favoured IT providers to HMRC
I would be surprised it makes much difference for one of the big companies. They aint exactly a fan of onshore resources in the main.
This is true. Because the civil service doesn’t pay well, and only attracts people who want a safe easy job with a short commute
How do you account for GDS? Whilst I am not a particular fan of their approach it has been fairly aggressive and innovative in user facing government services.
The problem really comes down to any major IT project. Its very hard to define requirements in a useful way and then equally hard to build something.
The difference between government and private sector large IT projects is you hear a lot more about government failures whereas the private sector only tend to appear in the specialist press or in horror stories amongst friends.
The problem really comes down to any major IT project. Its very hard to define requirements in a useful way and then equally hard to build something.
That is why the working model is so shit, because it makes it hard. And the reason you hear so much about government stories is that a) it's our money and b) they are often for helping the vulnerable and needy e.g. NHS, DWP which means it's more than just a company's commercial reputation at stake.
I had not heard about GDS, but this looks like a really good idea, and something I'd been thinking about for ages. Glad to hear it seems to be having a positive effect.
Does GDS stand for gigantic data senter? It would be about right if it did.
That feel good bounce from the Vote Leave team winning a majority at the election, and getting Brexit “done”…
https://twitter.com/ons/status/1237672324394082306?s=21
yep manufacturing exports had their biggest slump in 3 years thanks to Brexit, in the last quarter- BEFORE cornavirus hit
https://www.ft.com/content/392573ac-669d-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3
but the brexies will be able to blame the virus
Is it just me that's thinking that this here Coronavirus might be a bit of a dry run for brexit?
(I don't mean intentionally caused, rather as a model of what happens as soon as people can't buy shithouse roll and avocados.)
Not cynical enough. Convenient way of knocking off the weak and the lame that might cost long term... 😬
Surely we'll be getting a year extension to the status quo. I'd kind have hope the great and good have better things to think about right now.
There will not be an extension - remember the tories and their paymasters do not want a sensible deal. they want minimal or no compliance with the EU regs and do not really want a deal. This is the perfect opportunity for them to force thru "no deal"
My money is on there will have to be an extension.
I think TJ has it. No extension. The impact of the more immediate problem on trade talks and preparation for leaving the Single Market & Customs Union is not of concern to the Vote Leave team in government… they are already assuming No Deal or a light sketched out deal… and large companies and monied individuals being mostly left to sort things out for themselves… everyone else can go hang.
Kerley - "no deal" was always the aim. This crisis makes that easier.
Fascinating documentary on Cummings on tonight. Disturbing how on a number of recent political issues he seemed to guess right.
Well at least we are removing uncertainty for businesses in these troubling times.
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1250755451974803456
That's like removing the uncertainty of how long you have to live, by committing suicide.
Those shadowy backers were promised access to a mass sell-off of public sector services, with the guarantee of a state bailout when they ruin them whilst taking out huge dividends/salaries/bonuses and spiriting them offshore.
They funded the Leave campaign, they also know who else did, they know where the bodies are buried and they know they can expose the corrupt, stinking, festering, rotten shitshow for what it really is. They have to be given their payout or the game really is up for the Tories.
I can't help but think a delay is inevitable, but they're going to deny it for now.
They can't afford Brexit Voters losing heart at the moment.
There are endless ****ing idiots about who'll screw up lock-down to protest, Farage and other "it's only common sense init" types were spouting off about going out and enjoying the sun a few weeks ago.
Also, we won't know the full cost of CV19 until we know when it's going to end.
After this is over, like after the great bail out of 2008 the Chancellor will hold a conference and give us the facts of life. It's going to cost billions to keep the economy on life-support whilst we're in lock down, even with Furlough and other stimulus packages business are going to fail and people are going to lose their jobs reducing tax revenue and increasing costs.
From a political point of view, this is the ONLY time they could theoretically delay, even cancel Brexit when they'd 1) Have the EU agree to it 2) Survive it politically 3) do it without riots.
I honestly think Johnson or Sunak could stand outside No10, solemnly say that the world is now a very different place than it was and they need to unwind Brexit to protect jobs and house prices.
Yeah, they could... but they won't.
They can say what they like, for now. It’s just pacifying the gammons. They don’t need the headbangers stirring up trouble while they try to cope with CV
They know the huge magnitude of the financial shitstorm that’s coming. To willingly inflict another massive financial hit on top of that would be economic and political suicide.
They’ll carry on denying that they’ll ask the EU for an extension right up until the point that they do
Yeah, they could… but they won’t.
They can't. The real hands behind Brexit can end the Tories with what they know. Backhanders, promises of future backhanders, illegal funding, illegal Russian funding, abuse of data and social media on a scale far wider than Cambridge Analytica....
If you dance with the devil, you don't get to change the tune.
Boris 'dead in a ditch, lie down in-front of the bulldozers, go whistle for divorce bill' Johnson definitely wont perform a last minute U-turn
