Boys fighting and eye poking – ok or not good form?

My partner and I had reason to be discussing this – I’ve always been of the opinion that when ‘scuffling/fighting’ with a sibling/friend this is 100% totally out of order (unless in fear of choking or similar), she thinks it’s ok providing it’s done in ‘self defence’. Given it’s out of order in all sports/forms of legalised fighting am I right or wrong?

Thanks in advance if you agree with me, if not then no way will I be mentioning this post to her! 😉

playfighting / school playground scuffly – out of order.

fending off a mugging / fighting for your lift – no holds barred!

cf. krav maga

Dave

Nah, well out of order.

So many scraps with my brothers growing up, we never crossed the line in to eye gouging – to put that in to perspective,whacking each other with snooker cues was very much fair game 😀

siblings wrestling is fine.

gouging, punching & kicking is bad.

I used to spend 10 minutes ‘wrestling’ with my kids after they’d had a bath. This seemed to involve them running across the bed and launching themselves at me who was stood beside it. My role was to stop them hitting the floor and be a human punchbag.

Got rid of a bit of energy for them and they settled down to sleep better.

They grew out of it in time and just started reading a book at bed time instead.

She’s a girl though. They don’t fight fair in the first place anyway.

punching

and how else are you supposed to deliver a dead leg?

playfighting / school playground scuffly – out of order.

fending off a mugging / fighting for your lift – no holds barred!

This. Pulling hair falls into the same category.

and how else are you supposed to deliver a dead leg?

with your knee, how else?

Eye gouging is out of order. We only had 4 rules

No Eye gouging
No hair pulling (That’s for girls)
No biting
No direct kicks/punches/knees to the balls (although indirect hits to the knackers via use of projectiles was actively encouraged)

We also had to introduce a fifth rule of no licking because one kid was a bit weird. The kind of Kid where I wouldn’t be surprised if I opened to local rag one day to find out he’d gone a bit Jimmy Saville in his later years.

No scratching either.

Blades, chains, and zips…..

DrP, “the doctor who cried…”

I think there is something wrong with your moral judgement that it is “OK” for siblings or friends to fight in the first place. If my son and daughter fight, which they do, then they are both in trouble for not being able to control their temper / not respecting each other / trying to bully/dominate the other. If the weaker of the two resorted to eye gouging whilst being attacked I don’t really have an issue with that – they need to understand the potential damage they could cause, but so does their “attacker” and (s)he needs to understand that if you go around attacking people some of them will fight back and you might get hurt. If the ‘opening attack’ was an eye gouge, or there is a walk away option then that’s more serious – but if someone has you pinned down or held then that’s their own stupidity.

Poly i mean no disrespect but the above reads like something written for a sitcom sketch “why fighting is wrong” by a sandal wearing lentil munching social worker.

Kids fight, we fought as kids all the time, one school pitted against another school, new kid against the school bully, (i was usually the new kid as i moved schools 9 times). If we as kids, trudged home whimpering after getting into a fight our parents would tell us to toughen up and go back and hit them harder. Eye poking, hair pulling, hitting wi sticks, kicks in the balls or throwing stones was a big no-no though so i guess we did have morals and scruples, everything else was fair game.

It taught me to stick up for myself and not take $hit from anyone, if it looks like your going to get hit or someone is right in your face and it is no fault of your own or otherwise then smack them as hard as you can, not necessary in the face as that usually only works in the movies and the potential for serious injury is undeterminable, but if someone swings wildly at you then it may be a case of “all gloves off” ,but mostly a punch to the solar plexus drops pretty much anyone leaving you time to get away.

somafunk – no disrespect but thats neanderthal bollox !

how can fighting be ok so long as you don’t break certain arbitrary rules? either fighting is fine, with no holds barred, or its not. if you wan’t to fight with rules do it in a ring or a martial arts class. if its for survival (whither literally or socially) don’t limit yourself by vague notions of convention.

I’ve never understood why people think its “OK” for children to fight in a school playground. By the time you are at secondary school you are old enough to be criminal responsible so it should be treated like the assault it is.

When I went to school people used to steal cutlery from the canteen to use as makeshift weapons to fight the neighbouring catholic school in the park across the road. Alternatively 80% of the pupils CHOSE not to get involved. Teach your children some self control and responsibility – walk away. If you can’t walk away then why bother with rules on what they do to defend themselves.

fighting for your lift – no holds barred!

Yep. Sometimes you just gotta get to the top floor NOW!!!

Fight to kill or walk on by……….

If we as kids, trudged home whimpering after getting into a fight our parents would tell us to toughen up and go back and hit them harder.

Lucky you to have such expert guidance on hand when you needed it and not some lentil munching do gooder 😕

Play fight out of order
Street fight -there are no rules but it would not be my first response but I would if I had to.

poly – ooohhh that sounds VERY spookily familiar! I even double checked I didn’t have a daughter 🙂

TBF I never said fighting was ok and don’t think anyone else has. I absolutely encourage walking away and do not condone any sort of physical attack. However the reality is that siblings/friends/boys/girls do fall out sometimes leading to a physical encounter. My question related to such occasions.

No weapons unless outnumbered, in which case its fair enough.

Never hit anyone unless the intention is to drop them.

When punching aim at a point behind the point of impact, its much more effective that way. Punch through in other words.

Always follow up with maximum aggression attacking wherever and whatever you can.

Be relentless, however it feels don’t stop and keep going forward.

Take no shit, walk tall and wear your hair anyway you like.

Alternatively, be funny and fast.

……Seriously people WTF???

If siblings are fighting at least one of them must have lost control of their temper, in which case how can they be expected to remember ‘the rules’? And if they haven’t lost control, why are they fighting?
I come down hard on my kids if they fight with each other, and they rarely fight. The future-mrs-rogg takes the opposite approach (‘as long as no-one’s bleeding’) and her kids fight all the time.