Bad actors stoking hate again (Southport Stabbings)

If you think all Brexit voters were thick and educated your also a fool.

I have made many wild statements on this forum but I can assure you I have never, ever, asserted that All Brexit voters were educated.

Many of the schools round here are holding operations specialising in crowd control.As I have pointed out before,40% of children in Middlesbrough grow up in poverty.The figure is 60% in my adjacent council ward.That is the real violence not a one of riot.

The average male round here dies at 55.I,m living on borrowed time.

Yet you are, presumably, in a decently paid job, able to have mountain biking as a hobby and time to post on here. So it can be done, no?

I read the posh boy hate and judgement (based on complete ignorance) and can only see the situation getting worse.I sense, few of you have the slightest idea who these people are and what it’s like to survive in the collapsed societies they exist in.Very sad

Posh boys? Righto…

every parent should want the best for their children?

In the case of what I just described, their parental responsibility wasn’t to stop their delightful offspring from robbing cars, but to prevent the police from arresting him once the little nobhead had driven it down a dead end road and been collared

Posh boys? Righto…

I can just imagine you almost spitting your foie gras all over the computer when you read that!

There was châteauneuf-du-pape everywhere comrade

I can just imagine you almost spitting your foie gras all over the computer when you read that!

I nearly knocked my Chablis over too. But if I had, it wouldn’t have mattered as I would have asked my butler to clear it up for me. Obviously.

“The average male round here dies at 55”

Anyone got a source for this? I haven’t found anything to verify it.

Not sure where he lives, but a mate of mine is from Stockton and always said they had the lowest, but it was mid 60 as he was on about hitting retirement then pegging it?!

The one I’d heard of before as the worst life expectancy was a part if Blackpool, but that’s 66.6 for males, which is still shite.

I’ve seen Glasgow quoted at 54 and 56 but also seen those figures contested so I assumed  monkeyc is from Glasgow.

Only if you break the forum rules.

Like creating a series of different accounts to present a false persona to troll with? Just asking…

The irony.

@fenderextender. I am no expert on education but yes schools do exist in “those areas” How well they function is another matter. The school buildings have to be fit for purpose,  They have to be well staffed, I know some vacancies are inevitable. The kids have to be coming to school well fed , well clothed and having had a good nights sleep. They have to come from a home where people believe in the value of education, this is often not the case

But schools exist in those areas and every parent should want the best for their children?

Should, but I think that’s a a little naive and underestimates all the corrosive effects of poverty and deprivation that can lead to poor educational outcomes.

What if the parent is doing that parenting alone on a low income?  Having maybe not had the best example from their own parent/s or great experience of school themselves? Then chuck in any of the following: unemployment (or minimum wage/zero hour contracts); substance abuse; domestic violence; child abuse/neglect; child carers; truancy; poor nutrition; mental health issues etc. Then it becomes easier to see how so many fall through the gaps and how the cycle repeats itself when those failed kids become parents themselves.

Enough of the big talk, we need practical solutions: How much would the mood on the streets change if the government flooded the UK cocaine market with ecstacy-laced baking powder?

The average male round here dies at 55.I,m living on borrowed time.

Where’s that?

Because I just put in a postcode for Redcar and it gave me 81?

https://healthequals.org.uk/make-health-equal/

Enough of the big talk, we need practical solutions: How much would the mood on the streets change if the government flooded the UK cocaine market with ecstacy-laced baking powder?

Well decent quality Doves pretty much stopped football hooliganism overnight in the early 90’s so it’s worth a try

Slightly but not wholly off topic…

Does anyone have a reliable UK wide source for planned protest dates – are they publicised in a non-tabloid location somewhere I can reliably track them?  Work and domestic travel reasons.

The revolution is coming…

? Gotta be honest, this lot don’t look like they’re up for a revolution. pic.twitter.com/gZLGpQGREh

— Politics For You (@PoliticoForYou) August 6, 2024

the worst life expectancy was a part if Blackpool, but that’s 66.6 for males,

Can confirm this is correct, I’m just a short distance outside this particular postcode, hopefully means I’ve got a few more than 20 years left ?‍?

When far-right rioters end up in court inFrance the profiles amount to middle-class racist IT nerd rather than jobless uneducated poor. I’d be interested to see the profiles of the 400 arrested so far in the UK and how much they are capable of paying their lawyers.

From the ONS

“In 2020 to 2022, male life expectancy was highest in Hart (83.7 years) and lowest in Blackpool (73.4 years), a gap of more than a decade. Female life expectancy was highest in Kensington and Chelsea (86.3 years) and lowest in Blaenau Gwent (78.9 years), a gap of more than 7 years”.

When far-right rioters end up in court inFrance the profiles amount to middle-class racist IT nerd rather than jobless uneducated poor.

To end up in court you have to get arrested. On Jan 6th the naive and the gullible, doing their first dubious properly illegal  act were over represented in the first wave of arrests. A middle class IT nerd is pretty much the definitive example of the naive and gullible personality types.

The revolution is coming…

That’s going to be added to the highlight reel of brick to the baws man and wheelie bin lass.

@blokeuptheroad

I think that ONS data is combining areas and coming up with an average. In that scenario there will be patches with lower and higher life expectancies. Too much of a thread drift however, it’s the sort if thing I’ll have access to through work (for Scotland at least) so will stop drifting the thread.

@garage-dweller

This is a list of counter protests which may help:

Stop the far right in your area

FWIW I know two mums who had their kids at 16. One of them lived in a shit area and was subject to domestic abuse. They’ve both made a great job of bringing their sons up and have done it the hard way, working their way up with an employer and ending up in quite decent careers. But they wanted (needed even) to do it because they had theirs sons’ best interests at heart and a very clear idea of how they DIDN’T want things to turn out.

I also knew some very well-to-do folk who’ve made a bollocks of their lives through boozing, coke, gambling etc. I agree that starting off with bugger all is way more likely to result in negative outcomes, but the UK still provides enough opportunity for pretty much anyone to make something of themselves.

And, ultimately, chucking a brick at the police is a choice.

@binners

Evolution would be a more realistic goal.

I read the posh boy hate and judgement (based on complete ignorance) and can only see the situation getting worse.I sense, few of you have the slightest idea who these people are and what it’s like to survive in the collapsed societies they exist in.Very sad.

This nonsense, we’ve always had poverty. but what we are seeing as per threat title is bad actors stocking malcontents and placing all troubles directly on the shoulders of those who in many cases help(nhs workers, small shops, etc etc)

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And this has been pointed out, or did you miss it. reform and nigel farage, tice, cruella, Fox gb news and especially the daily mail.

I could go on but effectively all leads to the same political allegiance.

Of course the reasons are clear. If the population was looking for someone to blame for the ills put upon them by this party and its donors and supporters, i think the vast majority of them would be hanging by their necks from the lampposts surrounding parliament

Better of course to shift that blame to ohers. Islam, Jews,The disabled, Black people, the unemployed etc etc.

@MoreCashThanDash

Many thanks.  Spent a chunk of my day on contingency planning for some of the upcoming “events” today.

@fenderextender Is it possible for a few to escape poverty, deprivation and a shit hand of cards in the game of life, despite all the odds? Yes. Do most in that situation? I don’t think so.

but the UK still provides enough opportunity for pretty much anyone to make something of themselves.

So the hundreds of thousands who don’t? Is it laziness? fecklessness? Lack of moral fibre? Poor breeding? Lack of intelligence (as opposed to education)? Why are people born into poverty more likely to have low pay, criminal records, shorter life expectancy, worse health etc? Is it their own fault?  Are the poor just a bit shit?

Too many people attribute their own success in life to hard work or whatever and are completely blind to the odds being stacked in their favour from birth due to their background.

blokeuptheroad, sorry but that’s total nonsense.

The rich and powerful are truly shining examples of the how hard work and perseverance pays off — True Grit, if you will, which the lower orders should all hold in the highest esteem. Take Hugh Grosvenor, for example, a formidable business man who, powered by ambition, landed himself on the Times’ Rich List, he might have inherited 12 billion pounds, but that’s rather beside the fact. How about Lord Cameron, Osbourne, and Johnson? Shining examples to us all who came up the Eton way, landing the highest positions in the land through nothing but hard work, competence, and unparalleled ability. People from estates in North Liverpool or Sunderland should take note.

Banners and his fellow Labour time servers are going to fail.

@fatmountain, I stand corrected, I’d never looked at it that way…!  🙂

 Is it their own fault?

No….but it sure as shit isn’t the fault of a comparatively tiny number of people landing in rubber boats near Folkstone either.

Is it their own fault?

The brick just slipped out my hand, your honour.

No….but it sure as shit isn’t the fault of a comparatively tiny number of people landing in rubber boats near Folkstone either.

Of course not! Who on here has said it is? I’m not excusing the riots. I am just saying that people with zero prospects, poor education and little stake in society are much more likely to buy in to the scapegoating of immigrants by manipulative grifters like Farage and Yaxley Lennon.

Preventing this has far more to do with tacking poverty and lack of opportunity in parts of the country than tinkering with social media etc. imo.

I see Farage has turned on Tommy Robinson. Their fans seem to be taking Robinson’s side.

Many of the schools round here are holding operations specialising in crowd control.

That doesn’t seem particularly likely.

The irony is that the child, accused of the stabbings was probably sent back from the future to warn of the dangers of inbreeding amongst one’s self-defined ‘racial’ group.

we’re all inbred to a certain extent, but you do wonder how many throws of the dice the rioters have before their kids are welcomed into the arms of Ronald McDonald house?

the boat peoples genetics are the only credible lifeline for the rioters to escape generations of service sector employment (mcD’s?).  Saying that, not every employee or shareholder in the service sector is inbred.

Britain is so highly urbanised that very few of its citizens have any meaningful contact with our aristocracy…

A lot of the blame for the pent-up tensions can be placed on Tony Blair.

When you see the rioters, it’s obvious that none of them have consumed psilocybin mushrooms, or had any positive experience in their entire lives.

But Tony Blair outlawed such mushrooms back around 1996 on the pretext that kids might take them.

Some still do, but the cops have better things to do than chase after teenagers.

He must have known that the only demographic such a law would impact would be adults.

The little crunt.