- Another El Mariachi dies
How repairable is this? It’s quite a nice Salsa El Mariachi but I’m wondering if it’s time to let go. I remember a few months back someone snapping one in the same place.Posted 3 months ago
Just riding along. I’ve been riding it singlespeed for the last 9 months which may have contributed to its untimely demise. There was a minor bit of chainsuck damage near where the failure happened so that may have provided start point for the crack.
It’s 5 years old, been used regularly but not an insane amount. I’m slightly disapointed, it seems like they’re prone to failing at that point.Posted 3 months ago
@molgrips was yours singlespeed too?
Nope. I had installed the BB with the spacer on the wrong side, the triple chainset was to close to the chainstay so when I had chainsuck it got really jammed, and that gouged the chainstay really badly. There’s a thread on here somewhere with pics.
Best replacement frame I saw when looking was either Big Bro or Shand Bahookie depending on budget. But both are more expensive and less desirable to me than a repair. I bloody love that bike, the only bike I’ve ever felt that way about.Posted 3 months ago
Depends what you like about the El Mar.
It has a 71 degree HA which for me is one of the main draws. I bought mine as a hybrid to ride on and off road, because of the amount of road needed to explore the Valleys from here. And I think the steeper angles really help that. It feels as positive as a road bike when you’re putting the power down on climbs or flat. I don’t do much proper tech on it unless it’s to simply get down carefully, so it’s not a hindrance elsewhere for me. And it’s rigid which mitigates the OTB risk with a steep HA.
That Stanton has a 67.5 HA which would be miles better for technical fun, but I suspect less good at covering distance on trails and roads.Posted 3 months ago
Molgrips I think you’re spot on with where the El Mar excels. Tbh, these days something like a Stanton Sherpa would suit be better as I’m straight onto steep trails from the house with little need to mile munch. That said, the Salsa is a fun and engaging ride.
The problem with getting a Sherpa would be I’d need a new fork, new rear wheel and new seatpost as a minimum on top the £700 for the frame.
There are frame builders in the northeast, too! Where are you?
Teesside. I’ve had some recommendations for framebuilders in Richmond and Ferryhill. Cost is looking like ~£100 ex paint for a new stay. Somoene locally has very kindly offered to weld it up to get me going again in the mean time.Posted 3 months ago
I had a closer look this evening and the non drive side chain stay has a crack running about 1/4 of the way round.
Obviously no chain suck on that side but it failed at the crimp in exactly the same place as the drive side.
There’s a mtbr thread on it, apparently it’s a thing for these frames.Posted 3 months ago
Good question, I’m curious – I don’t want to lose any tyre clearance. I mean frame builders can crimp for this kind of thing but I don’t know if Argos will.
He asked me if it was a curved chainstay, because he couldn’t curve them – but I assumed that meant at the back, for heel clearance and so on, because every chainstay is curved at the front isn’t it?
Hopefully I can get over there tomorrow so I’ll let you know what he says.Posted 3 months ago
I’m planning to trace the decal and ask someone to reproduce it along with the Salsa graphic so I can have some printed up. If anyone else plans a respray let me know as I should be able to supply 2015 era decals.
Lost the head badge somewhere in the garage though!Posted 3 months ago
If anyone else plans a respray let me know as I should be able to supply 2015 era decals.
Possibly. Depends on a) if it’s actually cracked and b) if whoever does the repair needs to repaint the whole bike and not just the rear triangle (as I quite like the orange)
Does crimping always weaken a chainstay? Surely it’s quite common? Or is it just crimped too much on this bike?
What’s the alternative? Plate?Posted 3 months ago
It doesn’t exactly “weaken it” but:-
It is yielded / taken beyond the elastic limit during crimping (but that also happens during the other bending / swaging / drawing when the stay was made).
It creates stress raisers where fatigue cracking can start.
Bike tubes are long slender members that are prone to buckling failures. The crimps give it a nice starting point to buckle from (more an issue for down tubes than stays).
I only crimp tubes if I have to – and have never had to crimp a nds stay. The Salsa has deep crimping on both stays. Throw in a thin tube = crack.Posted 3 months ago
Well, a bike with less than 2.4″ tyre clearance wouldn’t need such a crimp would it?
I’m going to have mine stripped then repaint it myself with spray.bike to keep costs down. If that turns out shite I’ll give it a few months then pay to have it done properly.
I don’t think anyone could colour match mine, it’s metallic deep red.
The Salsa has deep crimping on both stays. Throw in a thin tube = crack.
So – either I ask to have it crimped less, and lose clearance, or he chooses a thicker stay?Posted 3 months ago
Lots of alternatives. Easiest is better design (choose a different pre-bent stay that doesn’t need so much crimping). On that length of stay I can’t believe the nds needs much crimping (I make 29ers with stays down to 400mm – that needs some creativity).
Making a 1 off plate will add cost / might not be an option at places like Argos. Other more mtb focused builders might be more amenable. Make sure whichever builder you use knows the worst case tyre and chainset combo you want to fit (or you might get a nasty surprise when rebuilding your shiny repainted frame).Posted 3 months ago
A triple has no influence on the nds 🙂
Talk to Argos first as they are relatively close and you can take all the parts to trial. There are many different bends of chainstay Reynolds Columbus Deda etc. Even with crimps it will probably outlast the frame.
Konga cycles in Finland sells a laser cut plate yoke to other framebuilders. I’d imagine it will add a lot of £…. Google it as there are a few UK places that use it.
Otherwise use Google images to find other UK framebuilders that have solutions for 29ers.Posted 3 months ago
Hmm the bike dates from the days of triples though – perhaps that makes it harder to fit in?
Aye, I was particularly impressed to be told the biggest single ring I could run was 32t, but the I’m sufficiently unfit that it doesn’t actually matter.
I don’t think anyone could colour match mine, it’s metallic deep red.
I had it in my head you had the white with multicoloured decals singlespeed…Posted 3 months ago
Yup that is the one. I think they do a few different sizes for plus tyres etc (and have seen it built shorter than that). Talon Cycles has one on his Instagram.
Easy and cheap to get your own design laser cut, but it needs to be a decent grade steel. I hand cut an almost identical proto before seeing the Konga one – mine was just mild steel and too soft / yieldy.Posted 3 months ago
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