^^^ this is a nagging worry for me, My Levo SL is just on 2 yrs old now, it was an expensive bike at the outset and has since had an upgraded fork and AXS shifting and dropper, so a lot of cash in it were it to break outside warranty..

clickbait
Way of the ‘net innit.

Honest headline : “5 reasons the Trek Fuel EXe is most interesting Ebike of the moment” ?

Seems we’re making a bit of progress.
Two pages and only one eebers are for lazy people post.

perhaps it IS the most important bike of the decade then ^^

@stevextc normally I’d jump at the chance but I’m to Cyprus on Saturday and busy until then.

^^^ this is a nagging worry for me, My Levo SL is just on 2 yrs old now, it was an expensive bike at the outset and has since had an upgraded fork and AXS shifting and dropper, so a lot of cash in it were it to break outside warranty..

Someone buying aftermarket AXS can (probably) afford to repair it or if they don’t want the risk, chop it in – how often do you change bikes?

Just because its out of warranty doesnt mean if it breaks it cant be fixed, in the worst case you’ll just end up paying for a new motor – (which will then have a warranty).

Which is what, starting at a thousand quid?

RRP on the Specialized one I had to buy was £700. They gave me 50% off that in return for them keeping the knackered motor.

Same for a battery.

Who is even buying motorless bikes these days? They have surely gone the way of the dodo.

Fit, adventurous, bikers who like the whole package that mtb brings, not just the easy bits.😙

And good looking too. Did I say good looking…

Seems we’re making a bit of progress.
Two pages and only one eebers are for lazy people post.

Ftfy.

Typical lazy ebike troll. You need to put more effort in.

😁
HTH. I’m on an ee keyboard. Doesn’t require as much effort. Can go on for longer. More smiles etc.

( and gets me fitter natch)

Things that get written off can be covered by bike insurance accidental damage. Not sure if that’s the case with motors and batteries.

Does anyone really consider what the second hand value might be when buying a bike?
Can’t say it’s ever influenced my bike choices over the years.

A bit, but granted not too much.

What I would say however it that 2nd hand value at 2/3yrs old is a very very good indicator of how desirable a bike is to keep for the long term. Now that is something that interests me greatly. For financial and ethical reasons I want the stuff I buy to have a long life ahead of it – either with me using it, or someone else. If I don’t want to keep it (because either their continued ownership represents a reliability risk or pace of change is so rapid that new stuff is some much better to render it redundant) and no one want to buy it (for the same reasons) I just don’t see that as a sustainable situation. I know that does not fit with the commercial, profit driven world companies want us to live in, but there you go.

I find it hard to believe that a bike who’s 3rd top reason for being amazing is ‘Its not too heavy’

The only amazing thing about it really, is that it doesn’t make your eyeballs spontaneously projectile vomit when you look at it.

£1k ?

HEre’s a 19′ that’s up for £4000, so they’re not exactly dropping through the floor.

Sure you’ll lose money, but it won’t be worthless.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255627678419?hash=item3b8498d2d3:g:QYQAAOSwrkNizntO&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoDvgoQol3Tlg1NFslb2e67MT74ZYZoX6SdszQXBWVxxChK9FKoQ5euF80dVt1F1eHIKpxtgKidHBg5LwjaqBNB8pjekZ6lxC1tukOeHzSQJsrtaa%2F5t5qf%2FT%2BiBV%2FFbeQmqy2sqTYJNs7gYD2FlqK1FwiV%2BtYUN2CWPNqAezdQRMsyxEqfR6H2HL7PS1F0jmrLJsC6feclxKQja1CfEr1ds%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-y-hp3AYA

Yeah, I’d not normally be thinking about resale value. Almost ever bike I’ve bought has been to satisfy a current requirement, one that I didn’t see coming to an end. Neither do I change bikes often enough to really think about it. But also I’ve never doesn’t anything like that sort of money on a bike!

As to replacement cost, which is about 800, not even the price of a cracked/broken frame or high end fox fork.

But you’d face those costs on an e-bike too, so you may have to swallow them all AND the motor if you’re unlucky.

To me it’s a different (and unaffordable) ownership proposition for e-bikes at the moment.

I find the pricing of things, especially bikes and ebikes,etc unfathomable. I have a habit of doing comparisons, and sometimes its pretty damn stark that you are left wondering how they arrived at the price they have.

Construction of a bike frame, any frame be that alloy, carbon(i accept the manufacturing process of carbon is a bit longer) steel or ti isnt an aerospace level of construction. Its just tubing welded together and for the most part done so robotically.

So how can they ask £2k for a bunch of tubes that collectively have a price of under a hundred quid suddenly become worth £2k. As said, manufacturing costs are minimal, paint int he grand scheme of this is nothing. So to my eyes they’re taking something that in reality cost a couple of hundred to build and marking it up several hundred percent.

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A comparison. Engineering mill. X,Y,Z axis, can be CNC controlled. Thousands of precision produced parts that take considerably longer to produce and to put together and with greater accuracy than a poxy bike frame. An engineering machine weighing 1000kg plus, designed for industrial use spanning decades, priced the same as a specialized s-works carbon ebike frame. It just does not compare, and we’ll also find our mill was constructed here or the US, Europe, but our extremely expensive bike frame is mass produced in the far east where wages are considerably lower.

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I’m sorry Boys and Girls, but the cycling industry is ripping us off royally 😕

So how can they ask £2k

People pay it and they sell out. Why should they charge anything less?

Personally I can’t afford a new bike but as time goes on, and I get more time poor, I completely get the idea of an MTB that I can ride the 6 road miles (most of which is up a steep effing hill) to my local trails without being spent by the time I get there. The trails are on a ridge and I know loads of riders who have converted purely due to the ability to ride more downhill in the time they have available. I’ve definitely cut a ride short because I won’t have time to do the down and then the up and get back in time.
However, whilst the specs suggest the Small will fit a rider sized 5’0.2″ – 5’5.6″, 29″ wheels mean I’m riding a clown bike! I have enough trouble popping my 650B that weighs 10lbs less, I dread to think what this would be like.
In case you’re wondering, I may be protesting too much, I really want one but won’t be test riding one in case I realise how good they are and how much all my concerns are moot!

Colin Chapman’s ideal was also to design a vehicle that was no more resilient than it needed to be to cross the finish line and then fall to bits.

Wasn’t driver safety somewhere below ‘what colour is it’ on the priority list too?

ianc

^^^ this is a nagging worry for me, My Levo SL is just on 2 yrs old now, it was an expensive bike at the outset and has since had an upgraded fork and AXS shifting and dropper, so a lot of cash in it were it to break outside warranty..

I’m trying to rationalise this myself… at least comparing to my real bike strategies but I’ve not managed to make it make sense to me.
I guess on one hand your fork, dropper etc. is transferrable … and there might already be or might be in the future a way to put a newer (presumably smaller) motor into the same space with an after market adapter or on the other hand you view the frame, motor, battery and electronics as basically disposable? Currently I think more or less any battery can be rebuilt but how long until they do some system (like ink cartridges on some printers) to pair cells with the BMS so you can’t just replace them?

Dunno on one hand maybe buying the absolute cheapest bike in a range and just transfer your other stuff onto it is one way? Perhaps treat the wheels as a spare set for fast rolling tyres if they are terrible ?

At the back of my mind the last 2 cars I scrapped were both basically electronics. There was nothing majorly wrong mechanically with either but noone could really put a finger on it and say “spend this much and it will fix the electronic faults”

dyna-ti

As to replacement cost, which is about 800, not even the price of a cracked/broken frame or high end fox fork.

It’s a big difference though… even my “best bike” cost me £350 for the frame and that was £100 what I would have paid had it not been my birthday and my kid thinking it was cool I got the same frame as he has … (and it came with bling headset and BB)

As for forks … most of mine are 2015/16 with various upgrades I’ve got a newer Lyrik ultimate but that was about £600 but assuming it somehow broke beyond repair I’d just be able to stick on another set of forks. My mate just got a bike for his kid with a Lyrik where the stanchions were screwed but £250 for a brand new Yari and 1/2 hour swapping the damper and airshafts over fixed that..
The same options don’t exist for motors though… and the bike is essentially a brick without one.