Alloy costs carbon money now.

It’s on the pinkbike article. 15.5kg in S4.

bloody hell.

Says it was nearer 16.5kg with tyres with a thicker carcass, and even then, rocks dented the downtube!

I doesn’t surprise me though. I think most people think their bikes are lighter than they really are.

I’ve got a ragley marley hardtail, 27.5, and even that weighs 14kg with pedals and decent tyres etc. Probably closer to 18 or 19kg when it’s covered in mud!

snotrag
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I cannot believe how heavy that is! Wow!

Its entirely beleivable to me! Its a massive, long wheelbase trail/enduro-lite type bike with big wheels, big forks, big everything, and its made of Aluminium.

It also, I suspect, suffers from something similar to that of my Aluminium Hightower. The frame design, aesthetic and ‘product design’ of the bike is based around, and thus optimised for, the carbon manufacture.

If you were making the bike from alloy to begin with, and disregarding carbon, it would be designed differently.

The downtube wall thickness, for instance – I bet its pretty chunky to allow them to carry over the ‘swat box’ format from the Carbon.

I bet it rides ace in the right circumstances, regardless of what it weights mind.

you’d be totally wrong if the carbon one’s anything to go by, the downtube on the EVO carbon is comically thin, it is’nt fit for purpose unless you just ride tame trails all the time! have a look on mtbr/pinkbike and there is plenty of cracked downtubes from rockstrikes! it seems the SWAT (which is a aweseome idea) has really compormised the integrity of the downtube (on the EVO at least), honestly if you get the chance to look at a EVO carbon under the swat box just prepare yourself for a shock lol

and no frame only option on the new EVO alloy in the UK 🙁

Specialized please bring the frame only option to the UK!

Its entirely beleivable to me! Its a massive, long wheelbase trail/enduro-lite type bike with big wheels, big forks, big everything, and its made of Aluminium.

It also, I suspect, suffers from something similar to that of my Aluminium Hightower. The frame design, aesthetic and ‘product design’ of the bike is based around, and thus optimised for, the carbon manufacture.

If you were making the bike from alloy to begin with, and disregarding carbon, it would be designed differently.

The downtube wall thickness, for instance – I bet its pretty chunky to allow them to carry over the ‘swat box’ format from the Carbon.

So much this. From what I can figure out, to make the SWAT downtube, you take a hydrofromed tube and cut a hole in it, so the entire downtube is the thickness required for the section around the box, where it is a U rather than O shape. With carbon just that area can be reinforced. In a similar way, that assymetric strut around the shock is going to be beefy in alloy due to the limits to the material.
How does the new Trek compare? I imagine similar.

Carbon has downsides, mainly around the connections. Getting metal pivot hardware in is compicated and adds weight. Benefit goes to the one peice rear triangles like Santacruz and Yeti.
I’d quite like to see the Orange design in carbon, I know their particular setup makes this very very unlikely.

It’s weight isn’t far off my YT Decoy ebike – the real, measured weight of it, not my optimistic imagining 😉! It’s hugely heavier than the measured weight of my carbon Transition Patrol!