Labour aren’t antisemitic in any real sense – totally inflated story based on insinuation and smear tactics. I do however very much want a socialist party in power.

Absolutely. There is no way out of the despicable concentration of wealth in this country than a huge redistribution.

Neolibralism has ran out of steam for the most; markets have failed us in lots of ways. Unless we want more of the same we must have some form of socialism to sort this out.

Anyone who calls Corbyn and Labour Communists or Marxists with any sort of intended slur – needs to be asked well would your rather not have the NHS? That usually sorts the wheat from the chaff.

It’s such frustration that people have used Brexit has Corbyn’s yardstick and decided that doesn’t make a successful leader – and yet no leader has navigated this unscathed. Do you think there is a point there?

If we could get beyond Brexit just for a moment I think Corbyn is very much the person we need in charge. Free from ego, decent and caring – and he’s a fighter too – quietly dispatching many strong critics and Tory leaders.

He’s got something that appeals but it’s a battle for the electorate to see that because ultimately we’ve made a drama out of Brexit and he’s not the best actor in the cast.

You need someone that can pull in those voters, then they would walk it.

Yep. They also need a very good strategist to combat the populism than Tories/Cummings will put out.

Labour policies should be easy to sell to most people if you could get their attention for 2 minutes as they are for the good of most people.

What does that actually mean?

It means that when people see you on Television they are drawn to you, think you are a great person etc,. even before they have said much. Corbyn is the opposite of that unfortunately.
I support Labour policies but he should have gone a long time ago.

Politics has changed a lot and the person and the catch phrases are more important than the policies. You need the right leader to have a chance of getting into power to implement the policies.

What does that actually mean?

No beard.

There hasn’t been a Prime Minister with a beard since 1902.

Oh and conflating Nazis who called themselves socialist to make it look like they were on the people’s side with Labour who actually are is very poorly informed.

But they were socialist in many ways if you view ideology in 2D left to right…. it’s a specific brand of national socialism but it’s an ever present danger that any ideological belief can slip in unexpected directions… (or are we going to argue Stalin wasn’t a socialist?)

However … as I’ve tried to point out elsewhere… PC stop phrases are based on bollox
It’s faintly ludicrous to suggest Corbyn is racist so we adopt/invent a “anti-semetic” label.
Anyone who thinks the situatiuon in Palestine/Israel (or RoI/NI) is all one sided in either direction is looking through rose tinted glasses…

It means that when people see you on Television they are drawn to you, think you are a great person etc,. even before they have said much.

Like Tony Blair, That turned out well didn’t it?

I can’t see any party getting a majority in a GE

Perhaps the solution is for Labour to refuse a GE via the 2/3 vote, refuse it via a VONC and leave the only option open to achieving an election being via an amendable bill.

Amend the bill such that , in the event of no party gaining an overall majority in the GE, a 2nd brexit, legally binding, referendum is immediately called to settle the Brexit issue once and for all.

Let’s actually find out what the will of the people is.

(cough) Gordon Brown (cough)

Remind me, which year was it he won the election?:-)

I think Corbyn is very much the person we need in charge

But he isn’t really in charge; he’s a puppet for Momentum.

Labour need a leader who can lead, then they could walk it. Corbyn is unelectable to the uncertain centre.

with a decent leader they would already be in number 10

Hopefully we’ll see the Labour Party decimated and not a threat for a generation.

Well there’s the thread set on fire with stupidity in the second post.

We live in interesting times. Polls can mislead eg May last time. Bad weather coming and a week is a long time in politics etc. It only takes an avoidable death in an A and E queue to refocus attentions, in the 70s it was some poor soul who choked whilst trying to eat cardboard. These things can and do happen.
I’ve had graduate bar tenders tell me how they couldn’t vote for Corbyn, I’ve had to resist the temptation to ask if they feel neoliberal capitalism has worked out well for them. It’s an amazing trick how the establishment has convinced the victims to vote for more punishment. There’s a lot of unfocused anger out there ready to be exploited. I just wish these people who argue against Corbyn would just throw up their hands and be honest about being Tories. And on AS and terrorism and all those tropes, just give us some ‘who, when and where’ or shut up and go away.

Well I hate to sound like a middle manager, but all this whining does is guarantee failure. For better or worse, Corbyn is leader and will fight the next election. Labour MPs, activists, supporters and voters can get behind him and try to win, or stand around moaning which will ensure they lose. I strongly believe if they did the former, then they would have a very strong chance of winning. It seems many in the party want the opposite to happen though, and when it’s all done and dusted they won’t be forgiven for not making the most of the opportunity when it presented itself.

Meanwhile … in the real world out of Labour MPs, activists, supporters and voters which group is most important to winning a (hint) election?

No beard.

Perchy speaks truth. Beardymen are universally perceived as less trustworthy than clean shaved chaps.

Obviously (99.999%) inapplicable to ladies.

Also, current labour policy looks fine. Corbyn simply does not grab attention. Policy is not down to the figurehead anyway.

Think about why old farts and leavers love Joris. As much as anything else, as soon as he’s on TV its the Joris Bohnson show, man of the people, funny haired mop top fop, he’s on your side, he’s sticking it to the man, it’s good old Boris!

Then you get Corbyn. Blah de blah blah blah blah boring.

PS I’m not hating on Corbyn as a capable MP. He’s simply not the man for the hot seat.

There’s no hope of voters voting for you if they think you don’t want to win, and at the moment many labour MPs are giving exactly that impression.

All a bit chicken and egg really…. regardless many Labour voters won’t vote for him to be PM and even more swing voters.

There is only one way to win elections in this country. Blair knew it (boooo… hisss….. war criminal!!) You don’t just have to pander to your core vote, who’ll vote for you anyway, you need to reach out and convince people who aren’t your natural constituency. You have to convince swing voters in marginal constituencies.

Bang on.

Every single time JC comes on the TV my wife says a variation of the same thing.

It’s not ” He hates Jews”, or ” I disagree with his policies because he’s a Marxist / Secret Brexiteer / puppet of the Unions / cult leader / terrorist sympathiser / Magic Grandad / allottment owner  etc. etc.”

It’s always the same. ” Look at the state of him….he looks like a tramp”  No matter what he says, she can’t see past that.

He has a massive perception problem amongst a huge swathe of people who don’t care that much about politics but like their politicians to appear  well groomed and statesmanlike.

He’ll never be electable as long as he looks like the bloke who pretends to be Santa in B&M’s.

People won’t trust nuclear launch codes to a man who can’t arrange a well ironed shirt.

It’s Michael Foot all over again.