Is this what marketeers call "Positioning your brand?" Asking for a friend
That chart appears to be accurate according to the latest position, it's by the KM151 red channel buoy and the little inlet. There's very shallow water to the east of the channel. Depths on the chart will be lowest astronomical tide (LAT) so high tide (I believe it's tidal there) will give a bit more water
What about blocking the canal either side of the stuck ship and pumping water in to raise the water level. Tugs then manoeuvre boat to middle and temporary lock gates are removed?
^^If they can get two countries to give a dam,I think this could work, 🙂
Where's my coat?
What’s the ground reaction that you need to overcome? It could easily be thousands of tonnes. They have been pulling with tugs with a total bollard pull of around 1000t and it still hasn’t moved.
A 1000t would part the anchor cable and rip the windlass off the deck.
I was reading some back of the envelope calculations assuming a friction factor on sand of 0.5.
If the vessel has a mass of 200,000 tonnes and 1/3 of that mass is now supported by the sand at the bow (and to some extent the stern?), this means (crudely) that 33,000 tonnes-force is required ((200,000 * 1/3) * 0.5) to start moving the vessel.
The most powerful tug in the world can only pull 470 tonnes-force for some context.
I was out mountain biking with my lad, he was hit by a cross wind on a jump and is now wedged in good. Six days later he is still there, I might need to get a crane in to lift him off.
If the vessel has a mass of 200,000 tonnes and 1/3 of that mass is now supported by the sand at the bow
It won't be as much as 1/3 as the draft is 14.5m and the exposed waterline is about 1/3 of that, so 2/3 is still supported by buoyancy, so maybe 1/6 on sand. But the total mass is a bit more as the dwt tonnage is just the cargo. Difficult to find the mass of the ship but probably about 30,000 tonnes.
Not been following. Did they get another ship to go at it full tilt then handbrake turn thus refloating it with a "wave of awesomeness" as suggested earlier in the thread?
"It's not the first time a Dutch super tug has produced a happy ending"
The chart extract @jam-bo has posted is very interesting. It looks genuine, from Navionics, although it contradicts the official Suez Canal data which suggests it should have both sides battered at 1:3. The way the chart shows it is inviting the kind of accident that occurred - a big shallow shelf for an off-course ship to run up onto. If it had been more like the official profile the ship would be more likely to scrape along the side and be deflected back into deep water.
Moving the stern away from the bank, as recently reported, seemed counter intuitive at first. If the canal is as on the chart and the bow didn't move, it's just putting more ship on the shelf. But it gives them the chance, on the next tide, to drag the ship back out the way it went in - perhaps using its own engine and prop as well as tugs.
Update - AIS image on the latest BBC article suggests the bow has moved and the ship has effectively pivoted on the shelf.
that ties in with a report that it was sitting hard on a large rock under the grounded bow section. the salvage guy in that report seemed keen to emphasis it was far from over.
I guess the key question is have they moved it enough to get traffic through.
I guess the key question is have they moved it enough to get traffic through.
I can't see them allowing traffic through until they've moved the Ever Given to a safe location - The canal Authorities will look like total fools in front of the whole world if they allow a situation when another ship could crash into this one..
I can’t see them allowing traffic through until they’ve moved the Ever Given to a safe location – The canal Authorities will look like total fools in front of the whole world if they allow a situation when another ship could crash into this one..
According to the news as soon as tides allow (about now actually) it's going to be moved to a wider part of the canal that has a holding area and traffic will then be allowed to flow.
Wouldn't the waves from other big ships, potentially cause it to become even more beached?
Right big lad, get the wing mirrors folded in and the foot down. My Tacx axle is probably on that ship and it's already late.
Vesselfinder.com shows it back across the canal now, the bow is a little bit further from the shore. High tide this morning has passed.
if you look now, it shows it as underway, heading north at 2.5kts. started moving at 13.04 UTC.
started moving at 13.04 UTC
That must have been a minute after I was looking at it wedged on vesselfinder.com ! Should have stayed watching.
how nervous do you think the captain of the first ship through to be let through will be.
don't **** it up....
Breaking news: Footage at the time of the ship's grounding has emerged.
has Johnson claimed credit yet ?
I'm so pleased it's finally back under way. Excitedly told my wife; she couldn't have given me a more withering look.
I'll bet there's many a shipping office breathing a huge sigh of relief!
If you want to have a go at navigating a boat through, https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2021/03/cnnix-steership/?fbclid=IwAR2wuSpIvgJ-_cqGwpizOx4vqs8P4-m2kA4bcaRl0yI0bYGbR3cYSD_Smzc
I wonder how many bikes are on that ship?
Well, it's pretty long, so I guess the crew might have them for getting around. Maybe six or seven? Unless they have skateboards...
b'dum tish !
Thats brilliant lunge! I got 1000 m then a gust of wind took me and I crashed
Thats brilliant lunge! I got 1000 m then a gust of wind took me and I crashed
I got it through on the 4th attempt, but it was not smooth path and I doubt I'll be getting a call for Maersk anytime soon!
P-Jay
Free MemberAccording to the news as soon as tides allow (about now actually) it’s going to be moved to a wider part of the canal that has a holding area and traffic will then be allowed to flow.
You'd assume they'll want to do some inspections of the canal first as well- lots of potential for sediment/sand in the wrong place.
It'd be the funniest thing in the history of the world if the next ship through gets grounded on a sandbar created by dragging this one around with tugs, though.
Looks like it’s open already , 3rd vessel heading south is an Evergreen, no pressure Captain
Sorted:
(Not my picture).
😁
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/update-remember-the-ever-given-your-new-bike-might-still-be-stuck.html
I’ve just been told my new bike won’t be ready until late May due to waiting on Shimano groupset! Ordered in Jan for delivery I’m April. I’m thinking my drivetrains on that boat 😡
Comments on above mentioned PB article include the following:
"General average clause
The general average clause in ocean marine insurance obligates the insurers of various interests to share the cost of losses incurred voluntarily to save the voyage from complete destruction. Such sacrifices must be made voluntarily, must be necessary, and must be successful. For example, if a shipper’s cargo is voluntarily jettisoned in a storm in order to save the vessel from total loss, the general average clause requires the insurers of the hull and of all other cargo interests to make a contribution to the loss of the shipper whose goods were sacrificed. Other types of losses may also be covered. It has been held, for example, that losses suffered from efforts to put out a fire on shipboard, which result in damage to specific goods, can be included in a general average claim. Similarly, losses from salvage efforts to free a stranded vessel may qualify under a general average claim to which all interests must contribute."
Not sure exactly how this will play out.
Egypt agrees deal to release ship that blocked Suez Canal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-57719551
I might get my bike parts I’ve been waiting on now!!
I am waiting for stuff possibly on the Evergiven. A set of spoon carving knives ordered after watching the Repair Shop bloke on Good morning Britain or somesuch. They obviously didn't turn up in time so I cancelled the order and got refunded.
If they were now to arrive what is the usual course of action?