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Northwind
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thols2
Free MemberJust leave it there and dig a new canal next door.
That’s what the little 360’s doing.
The little 360 is probably at least a 25 tonner 😂😂
apparently they have refloated/dragged it onto the hard shoulder and traffic is moving again.
Nope, they retracted this and confirmed boat is still well and truly stuck.
Less like Forth Road Bridge and more like Rest and be Thankful. Old canal parallel to this stretch is open though I imagine that will come with size limitations.
I wouldn't imagine lightering would be much trouble for a salvage vessel, trouble is getting them to a port compatible with something that size! There is a small terminal at Port Said but I don't remember seeing anything bigger than a hundred or so teu berthed there (admittedly I last passed through there about 15 years ago).
I wouldn’t imagine lightering would be much trouble for a salvage vessel,
Yes it will will be. It will take weeks.
You will need a decent crane to be able to pick those containers off the top of those stacks. Probably a specialist heavy lift to get to that height and reach. You also need somewhere to put them.
Also, due to the size of that thing, you will need to lift a lot of containers to make any difference to the draught.
I doubt there is anything suitable in the Eastern Med, will probably have to come from Europe.
Would it be possible to park smaller ship next to it and transfer containers to that?
Would it be possible to park smaller ship next to it and transfer containers to that?
You still need a crane that can reach far enough and high enough.
Those ships are designed to be loaded and discharged by big straddle cranes.
The containers don't weigh more than 30t, they are just stacked very high and reach you need to get to the centre line is very significant.
These huge container ships are a relatively recent thing and they pose problems the salvage industry has highlighted for a number of years.
Just heard Elon Musk is planning to build a Super Galacti Ship -X and tow the moon round to sort the tides.
And next week he'll call President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi a kiddie fiddler.
It's probably worth noting, that whoever was driving the boat at the time has done more to harm capitalism than all the protests for ooh...at least the last few years or so.
You will need a decent crane to be able to pick those containers off the top of those stacks.
No problem. A small fleet of these, and Robert’s your mothers brother.
"About 12% of global trade and roughly 30% of the world’s shipping container volume transit through the Suez Canal, making it one of the world's most important waterways.
"A rough estimate shows the blockage is costing about $400M an hour, based on calculations from Lloyd's List."
Northwind
thols2
Free MemberJust leave it there and dig a new canal next door.
That’s what the little 360’s doing
It’ll end up like that farmhouse on the M62
Old canal parallel to this stretch is open though I imagine that will come with size limitations.
The parallel sections are North of the Great Bitter Lake. There's no parallel canal where the ship is stuck (or if there is, it's too small to show on Google maps).
A rough estimate shows the blockage is costing about $400M an hour, based on calculations from Lloyd’s List.
You could almost get a Tory consultant for that!
You could almost get a Tory consultant for that!
Has anyone seen Chris Grayling recently...I wonder what he's up to?
Chris Grayling was actually a genius ahead of his time because you can't suffer from your ships getting stuck if your shipping company hasn't got any ships.
Yes it will will be. It will take weeks.
You will need a decent crane to be able to pick those containers off the top of those stacks. Probably a specialist heavy lift to get to that height and reach. You also need somewhere to put them.
Also, due to the size of that thing, you will need to lift a lot of containers to make any difference to the draught.
I doubt there is anything suitable in the Eastern Med, will probably have to come from Europe.
Europe is only a week away at worst, I never said it would be quick but its definitely possible. You also seem to be discounting unloading it from land, how long does it take to build a tower crane? (I realise that's dependant on good ground)
The parallel sections are North of the Great Bitter Lake. There’s no parallel canal where the ship is stuck (or if there is, it’s too small to show on Google maps).
Urgh, the map I saw seemed to suggest there was. One job.
A colleagues wife has four containers of gardening tools on the wayward ship. Her boss is not happy!
does this go down as a racing incident or are they facing a huge insurance bill for it (read - the world faces a huge bill for it in the end)
Could suction dredges be used to clear material from around the hull? I am assuming it it quite soft material (sand).
By the looks of the tracking map I think they were having a bit of fun before it went tits up. Who else hasn't tried to make a route like a cock and balls.
I was wondering if you could generate a wave using one or more large vessels approaching the blockage (then slamming the engines in reverse) while having the tugs try to move it from the other side. Might get it rocking slightly and help to un-stick it?
Or would the size of the wave you could safely generate in the canal be insufficient to give any help?
You might just end up with another large vessel embedded in the side.
Winches could be deployed from land rather than water though. Heaven knows how many you'd need. It does look like there is plenty of space though.
captainclunkz
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By the looks of the tracking map I think they were having a bit of fun before it went tits up.
Coarse of the Asia Ruby III was a but hairy too 😨
Craning off the containers from land is a massive logistical exercise. Given the height, reach and weight of the containers there are only a few cranes in the whole world capable of that kind of lift. Then you would have to prepare the ground the crane sat on, probably need extensive foundations constructing, and access road for the crane to get to the side of the ship.
Otherwise it would be one of the big salvage floating cranes. I doubt they would be able to get there in anything less that a week.
Absolute nightmare
In principal it's simple.
You need to apply more pulling power than the "ground reaction", a combination of remaining buoyancy and the friction of the seabed, to get it to move.
So to reduce the ground reaction, you can increase buoyancy and or reduce the weight. So dredge the seabed in the vicinity to increase water depth and remove cargo.
The problem is the size of this thing. The ground reaction will be massive. To make any significant difference, you need to increase the water a lot and remove a lot of cargo.
The cargo removal is very difficult because of the height and reach required. Also, the logistics of looking after hundreds of the containers is also problematic.
The tugs trying to move the thing, will have pushed sand up against the hull. Which doesn't help.
If you want to become an internet expert have a read of this USN Salvage Manual it tells you all you need to know. Chapter 6 and 8 in particular.
The one good thing, is that it's not exposed to any weather and has not suffered any significant damage, so it's just a matter of time and resource.
The cargo removal is very difficult because of the height and reach required. Also, the logistics of looking after hundreds of the containers is also problematic.
I think to make any significant difference to the mass they need to remove thousands of containers- not hundreds?
Surely the better option here is to swap the containers onto number of smaller ships - rather than piling them up and the sandy banks? - agree this is easier said than done though..
This is fast turning into a complete nightmare for global trade/cargo movements - the lessons learned from this has got to suggest a parallel canal in all sections?
The scale of this is fascinating - i've visited a few ships in dry-dock over the years and they always look massive close up - this is in a different league entirely though.
Is it still blocked then? I'm sure I read they'd freed the sumbitch the other day.
Surely the better option here is to swap the containers onto number of smaller ships – rather than piling them up and the sandy banks? – agree this is easier said than done though..
You would need to do a proper survey to make an accurate assessment.
The ship can carry 20,000 20ft containers. So even 10% is 2,000. That's a lot barges and lot of quay space for storage. Operating container berths don't want them. They would just delay their planned operations.
Remember the MSC Napoli that was beached in Lyme Bay? The total cargo on that was 4,400 containers. Gives an idea of the size of this one.
Is it still blocked then? I’m sure I read they’d freed the sumbitch the other day.
According to the Marine Traffic ship tracker - it is still not moving.
Is it still blocked then? I’m sure I read they’d freed the sumbitch the other day.
There is a handy website to find out....
https://istheshipstillstuck.com/
gCaptain (@gCaptain) / Twitter
worth a follow. ships starting to reroute round the cape which gives an idea of how long some think it might take to sort out....
Considering how vital a trade route it is globally and how much money goes through it, you'd think they'd have precautions for this sort of thing, considering how narrow/shallow it is in places.
Governments from around the world who benefit from this route should really chip in and get it made wider and dredged deeper for the huge container ships that you get these days. Might prevent this sort of thing happening again.
Their best chance of re-floating it is this weekend and early next week when the tides are at their highest. If they don't manage to re-float it then, the tides aren't as high again until Autumn. Chances are they'd have to start lightening it if that was the case. I'm sure they said on the radio this morning that a 200' high crane would be needed to reach the containers.
Anyone interested in causing complete chaos will be adding "sink ship in Suez canal" to their ToDo list.
That would be a "very bad" thing.
That has previously been "simulated" by the South Park team I believe!
How long does it take to go around the cape? And what is the refueling situation like?
Is it a viable detour from a logistics point of view, and is anyone trying it?
Almost forty years after Knight Rider first aired and turbo boost is still not a thing for boats. So very disappoint.
How long does it take to go around the cape? And what is the refueling situation like?
Is it a viable detour from a logistics point of view, and is anyone trying it?
About 12 days added on - people are starting to head that way
How long does it take to go around the cape? And what is the refueling situation like?
Is it a viable detour from a logistics point of view, and is anyone trying it?
It adds 3000 miles to the journey. Roughly.
A fast ship at 20kts, about 6 days.
Considering how vital a trade route it is globally and how much money goes through it, you’d think they’d have precautions for this sort of thing, considering how narrow/shallow it is in places.
Governments from around the world who benefit from this route should really chip in and get it made wider and dredged deeper for the huge container ships that you get these days. Might prevent this sort of thing happening again.
Possibly, but as the 'average' cost of travelling the canal is $250k according to Google, Ever Given would have paid a lot more, and brings and annual income of over $5bn a year for Egypt you'd think they'd have enough already.
Given the huge significance this has on European trade, I'm surprised that European military assistance isn't visibly on the ground by now, rather than just the few local chaps with their diggers.
Anyone interested in causing complete chaos will be adding “sink ship in Suez canal” to their ToDo list.
That would be a “very bad” thing.
Often wondered why the Faslane peace protestors didn't do this at Rhu narrows. It would be a doddle to block the Gareloch while a sub or two is in.
I’m surprised that European military assistance isn’t visibly on the ground by now, rather than just the few local chaps with their diggers.
Its not Europe? Your point is understood but few countries like having to be 'assisted' by others 🙁