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Laura Aubrey, a longstanding friend of Stansfield’s, said he had been punished for getting a job.
Nah, he was punished for car theft.
Nah, he was punished for car theft.
Aye he was, now he's being punished a second time unnecessarily (granted it's part of his original sentancing)
Very harsh if his parole officer told him to go for it. Notwithstanding that a couple of people need to sign it off, if he was actually told that it was fine this is very unfair on him.
Sounds shit if the info is correct.
Nah, he was punished for car theft.
18 months for conspiracy to steal a car. Dudes got form!
Shouldn't matter though, if he can't work, he's going to nick stuff.
Rough, but he's been sent back for breaching the conditions of his parole, not going to work too early. Doesn't sound like his fault - did he have the "go for it" in writing?
Well if what the article says is true its a mistake to send him back to prison.
I would have to see his mugshot to make a judgment.
This is one of the less serious foul ups we can expect since the Tories privatised the probation service . This break down in communication at least failed safe. The in built flaw designed by Grayling is that if a low risk offender becomes
Dangerous in the community then there is a break in supervision as he is passed from the private company back to a qualified probation officer.
I'd guess this is a side effect of competing/overlapping targets. Probation side get brownie points for securing job, prison/police for recalling for clear breach.
Yesterday at 6am me and the next door neighbour were woken by our dogs while he was having the keys to his truck fishooked through the letterbox. Standard working hours for the car thief, just before dawn. Bummer for this bloke, but I like the idea of taking the curfew seriously.
I would have to see his mugshot to make a judgment.
+1 for this. I can't make an uniformed judgement unless I can see if he's got facial tattoos or scars etc.
Sounds like a right balls up.
I wonder what the opinion would be on here if he were a convicted bike thief whose m.o was to commit offences first thing in the morning as people were getting up and about / going to work. Would this job potentially be providing him with a defence as to why he was up and about so early??
Just saying...
[i]A spokesman for the Probation Service said that home detention curfews can be altered to enable ex-offenders to take up a job, but the change must be approved by both their supervising officer and the Prison Service.[/i]
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I would have to see his mugshot to make a judgment.
Aye. Has he got tattoos on his face?
Yesterday at 6am me and the next door neighbour were woken by our dogs while he was having the keys to his truck fishooked through the letterbox. Standard working hours for the car thief, just before dawn. Bummer for this bloke, but I like the idea of taking the curfew seriously.
Why on earth do people continue to leave keys where they're easily taken by fishing through the bloody letterbox!
Mine aren't even left downstairs, they're upstairs in my bedroom.
At least put the things in the kitchen on a hook or on top of the fridge, anywhere they can't be so easily nicked.
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Edited after not reading article properly 🙁
A spokesman for the Probation Service said that home detention curfews can be altered to enable ex-offenders to take up a job, but the change must be approved by both their supervising officer and the Prison Service.jobsworths
You can just see the headline now can't you, prisoner murders defenceless old lady after probation service/G4S fail to follow correct process.
That's a fair point ninfan, I can see those headlines. That said, between them it should have been able to clear the whole thing up with a couple of phone calls or faxes rather than put him back inside.
Prior to the privatisation of the probation service it would have been sorted out had it even occoured with a couple of phone calls and emails as the supervision on licence and the prison recall were all the same service.
Given the new structure we will have those headlines as there are structural gap between prison and low risk supervision and between low risk and high risk supervision . For financial reasons the Tories chose to ignore the possibility of a low risk offender becoming dangerous.
While there are clearly some politics being played two murders have so far been linked to these reforms and the consequent poor supervision.
Well it's the other end of the system from me, but it comes as no surprise. Don't suppose it was anything to do with that champion of a competent criminal justice system May was it?
No the worlds most under qualified and over paid minister of justice (no relevant experience required) Chris Grayling LLPF.
thegreatape - MemberDon't suppose it was anything to do with that champion of a competent criminal justice system May was it?
Nah, she was too busy making it a criminal offence to harbour paying foreign students
He got 18 months for Conspiracy to Steal a car? So Mr innocent is probably a career criminal with a previous record several miles long.
I think there might be more to this story than meets the eye.
He didn't get permission from the Prison service.
If he was unaware then that's bad but if he was then hey ho my heart bleeds for him NOT.
No the worlds most under qualified and over paid minister of justice (no relevant experience required) Chris Grayling LLPF.
He is also the most hated person among prison staff, complete Nob. 'there is no crisis within the Prison Service'.
So why are they sending staff on detached duty from Lancashire to London? A prison officer (only one that I know about) is doing a 27 day stint in London & It's costing the prison service over 4K for accommodation only.
I feel for prison officers and the private court escorts cut below minimum safe operating numbers so Grayling's current donors and future paymasters can rake in profits at taxpayers expense.
Why on earth do people continue to leave keys where they're easily taken by fishing through the bloody letterbox!
Mine aren't even left downstairs, they're upstairs in my bedroom.
Just for clarification could you post up a postcode and a floor plan too.
Are you a heavy sleeper?
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I feel for prison officers and the private court escorts cut below minimum safe operating numbers so Grayling's current donors and future paymasters can rake in profits at taxpayers expense.
When I was involved in prisons back under the last tory government it was the same thing. We were full to the gunnels with all the cons that had been evacuated after the strangeways riot.
The problem with prisons and security is its an easy place to cut corners.... for a while. When security is working 'nothing happens', so governments cut little bits here and stretch little bits there - Its hard for someone looking for 'efficiencies' to tell the difference between someone doing nothing and someone in readiness to do something, between preparedness and redundancy- and it all [i]looks[/i] fine, because something has to be going wrong to see if that cut has consequences. Nothing happens to be going wrong so they cut a bit more, and a bit more, and a bit more.
Then when things kick off and theres death and 200 injured and a £55 million fire and a dozen other prisons rioting in sympathy and a 5 month public enquiry to pay for you can then decide if you've cut a bit to much or not...... of course by then its another governments problem to sort it out.
It's what's happening now Mac, They keep cutting staff & costs, 'no major drama's so It's fine, we'll cut some more, a few problems but wer'e managing, cut a bit more, more problems but no-one's died, cut some more'....etc etc etc.
Trouble also is that the news of what IS actually happening in our prisons very rarely gets publicised. People on the streets just have no idea.
That **** Grayling is just that, a worthless piece of dogshiit, I've got more time for prisoners than him.