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Feel free to buy your XTR pedals, surely you've earned them. But a quid in a bucket's not going to hurt, and might make just a tiny bit of difference for someone nowhere near as well off as yourself.
Seriously, WTF are you on about ? Where on the thread have I said that I wouldn't give to the aid fund ?
Fact is I'll contribute on account of my compassion towards humanity. I won't however be made to contribute because of some innapropriate post colonial guilt as you were trying to suggest we should.
I'll leave it there, I can't see the point in debating if you're not even able to read what I am/am not posting.
If elfinsafety is not Fred, he is engendered with the same ability to patronize.
I was convinced you'd just called Fred/elfin 'transgendered' then.... 😯
Might explain some of his utterings tho!
Don't be outing him now. It's fun watching him make a tool of himself, no ?
Its terrible, no doubt. But charity begins at home.
As said. Its hard to feel compassion for a nation that is quick to start burning effigies and ranting at the west at a drop of a hat.
Lets see who contributes the most. The despised west or the other islamic countries...
I am sure the million + ****stani immigrants in the uk can raise a few bob between them for there compatriots, as a nation we give rather a lot and send relief aid amongst other independent charities some of whom get murdered for their trouble!
I am sure the million + ****stani immigrants in the uk
There are over a million ****stani immigrants living in the UK?
Or do you mean British Citizens of ****stani Origin? IE, British people?
[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/05/born_abroad/countries/html/****stan.stm ]According to this[/url], the number of ****stani born people in the UK , IE 'immigrants', is only 321,000 at the time of the 2001 Uk census. I doubt very much that figure has risen beyond a million in the last 10 years.
I'm sure the ****stani communities of the UK, along with many other people from all manner of backgrounds are donating to the relief fund.
I'm sure the ****stani communities of the UK, along with many other people from all manner of backgrounds are donating to the relief fund
I don't doubt it, I may of misheard the statics on ****stani immigrants living in the UK or British Citizens of ****stani Origin, a substantial number anyhow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_****stanis#Demographics
Christ there's some horrible bullshit being spouted in this thread.
This is particularly good.
As said. Its hard to feel compassion for a nation that is quick to start burning effigies and ranting at the west at a drop of a hat.
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I may of misheard the statics on ****stani immigrants living in the UK
Ot maybe just made them up...
What annoys me about some of the attitudes on this thread, is the 'why should we help them' mentality, which I feel is selfish and ignorant.
Forget for a moment that it's ****stan. The truth is, that hundreds of thousands of people are directly affected by events over which they have no control. The risk of disease from contaminated water supplies is huge. Crops and animals have been destroyed. In many cases, these are the only means of food these people have. Which is why aid is so vitally important. As it would be anywhere where poor people in places without decent infrastructure, medical services and uncontaminated water supplies.
That some have chosen to politicise this terrible disaster is quite sad, I think. Maybe thinking beyond themselves is just a bit beyond some folk.
Will they beg India for help since they wanted out from India?
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Its hard to feel compassion for a nation that is quick to start burning effigies and ranting at the west at a drop of a hat.
Maybe you should remember that ****stan as part of old India, helped to provide Britain with the largest volunteer army during World war 2.
In fact over 2 million men from the Indian subcontinent volunteered to help Britain fight her enemies.
Which represented the largest volunteer army ever in history.
[i][b]"Over two and a half million Indian men volunteered for service, producing the largest volunteer army in history. Many fought against the Japanese in Burma, but Indian soldiers also served in North and East Africa, Italy and Greece. The Royal Indian Air Force (RIAF) fought against the Japanese, while Royal Indian Navy ships fought in the North Atlantic and the Mediterranean. There were around 40,000 Indian servicemen in the British Merchant Navy. "[/b][/i]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/timeline/factfiles/nonflash/a6651218.shtml
So ****stanis fought to save British democracy.
But now you feel it's "hard to feel compassion" for them..........there's gratitude for you 😐
The world was a very different place then - Germany and Japan as much so...
So your point has little relevance today. I am very sure many more agree to what I wrote ...i am also sure you disagree.
[b][i]"So your point has little relevance today."[/i][/b]
Only because you have decided so ....it occurred during some people's lifetime.
[i][b]"I am very sure many more agree to what I wrote"[/i][/b]
Based on what ? I don't see that lack of compassion is that widespread. But maybe you have proof that it is ?
It's all by the by, we don't have any money to give them and that's it.
There's no way on earth we should borrow more to help another nation. We need to put all foreign aid on hold until we have sorted our finances out. After that, fine help all we can but until then I'd rather see the money going to the NHS or new schools or better kit for the forces.
radoggair - Member
> Britain is such a wealthy nation
Ha ha, nice one. Apart from the 154 billion or so we are in debt by.
We are not in debt by £154 Billion, that's just how much the debt increased by last year. Total debt now stands at over £900Bn. Just as well Mr Darlings investment in bailing out the UK Banking system is due to net HMG around £9Bn, or it would be even worse.
It's all by the by, we don't have any money to give them and that's it.
Yeah because we are all starving to death here aren't we - I mean none of us could stand to be a little bit poorer. We might have to buy Deore FFS!!! 😡
Deore? Oh please God no...
Can we at least have SLX rear mechs?
Oh the Humanity!
What part don't you understand?
We-do-not-have-any-money. Not to give away and not to spend.
XT or deore? we're on an Alivio budget.
What part don't you understand?
This bit : [i]We-do-not-have-any-money. Not to give away and not to spend.[/i]
The banks are full of the stuff, the government pays people with it, people use it in shops, and carry it around in purses and wallets.
ernie_lynch - Member
> What part don't you understand?
This bit : We-do-not-have-any-money. Not to give away and not to spend.The banks are full of the stuff, the government pays people with it, people use it in shops, and carry it around in purses and wallets.
Unfortunately, we already owe it all to other folk.
Unfortunately, we already owe it all to other folk.
Well we lent the banks £850bn ........ can't we ask for it back ?
Unfortunately, we already owe it all to other folk.
Yes but we only have to pay it back at a fairly tiny rate of interest. What interest rate do you think ****stan pays on it's national debt?
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eah because we are all starving to death here aren't we
Some of us are, under priviliged children, etc.
The Social work, welfare system is stretched beyond belief.
Childrens homes are full, if it were not for the foster care system the problem would be much worse.
It's probably alright for you financially, but for the majority of working classes in employment or otherwise, the prospect of making a charitable donation is not an option.
ernie_lynch - Member
> Unfortunately, we already owe it all to other folk.
Well we lent the banks £850bn ........ can't we ask for it back ?
Tut, tut. Copied and pasted and not understood. From the very article you posted...[i]The NAO report put a question mark over the Treasury's estimate of the taxpayers' long-term bill for the rescue of between £20bn and £50bn, saying it will depend heavily on the Government's sale of its stakes in RBS and Lloyds.[/i] And since the NAO report, the share price of the banks has risen, and they are now turning a profit. As I said above, HMG actually stands to make £9Bn from the bank bailout. The £902Bn that the country is in debt has nothing at all to do with bankers and everything to do with profligate spending by a useless government.
It's probably alright for you financially, but for the majority of working classes in employment or otherwise, the prospect of making a charitable donation is not an option.
Well I earn a long way below the national average salary - but I could certainly live on less quite comfortably. Sure there are some people in poverty here but the level and scale of poverty in this country doesn't compare to in less developed countries. And I'm not talking about individual donations anyway.
People in this country don't know they are ****ing born - honestly, whining about giving aid to millions of poor destitute people - a new low for STW I think.
Tut, tut. From the very article you quoted :
[b][i]"In its report, the NAO ruled that the "unprecedented" £850bn of support for the banks was "justified" to head off the potential damage of one or more of them going bust, and preserving people's savings and confidence in the financial system."[/i][/b]
The Social work, welfare system is stretched beyond belief.
How 'stretched' do you reckon the social work and welfare system is in ****stan, even before a disaster like this?
Yes - and that support was mainly in the form of guarantees and indemnities - i.e. no money was ever actually handed over to anybody, HMG simply promised that no one would lose out.
How 'stretched' do you reckon the social work and welfare system is in ****stan, even before a disaster like this?
But this is not ****stan, people here prioritise according to personal wealth.
If I had a few bob I'd gladly hand some over(even if only 10p per £10 or so reached it's intended cause).
It's the corruption that exists in how charitable donations gets to it's intended purpose.
What about the lost millions in Icelandic bank accounts which were meant for the victims of the tsunami?
Council
Gone forever.
Why is it that anytime anybody posts a negative response in a thread like this your labelled or it is implied your a racist? Yes it is terrible that hundreds of thousands of people are in hell right now but ask yourself this what has the leader of their country done today(might have been yesterday?) He has spent the day at his sons college, eton/oxford or such like promoting him and his political party as he is widely tipped to be the next leader of the country, odd that being his son! What would have been made of president obama going on a jolly when they went through the bp or 'katrina' disaster?
You are wasting your time helping those who won't help themselves, regardless of creed or colour. Billions have been pumped into countries like india, ****stan, afrcia etc and it has made no difference. Those at the top keep it for themselves and let others suffer.
Also colonization wasn't only a one way thing, yes it was done by us for purely selfish reasons but where would those countries be now without the infrastrucure we put in place during colonization?
People need to stand back and take a look at the WHOLE picture without jumping on their soap boxes.
Why is it that anytime anybody posts a negative response in a thread like this your labelled or it is implied your a racist?
Where did anyone say that? Interesting that you brought it up though...
Yes it is terrible that hundreds of thousands of people are in hell right now but ask yourself this what has the leader of their country done today
Our leader is a ^&*( too - but I would like to think that other countries wouldn't write off our whole country on that basis.
Oh yeah and Africa isn't a country. Nor is afrcia for that matter.
Why is it that anytime anybody posts a negative response in a thread like this your labelled or it is implied your a racist?Where did anyone say that? Interesting that you brought it up though...
You have read the whole thread then!?!
I do get brassed off when people come into this country & get NHS treatment before others who have contributed to the NI system.So, do you actually know the reasons for this (if indeed it's even true)? And you know that these 'immigrants' have no entitlement to NHS care? And that their medical needs are no more serious than anybody else?
Otherwise it just sounds like a typical BNP style load of bollocks, sorry. I'd be interested in seeing some real facts on this though, if you actually have any. Otherwise I'll just assume that it's misinformed jingoistic claptrap.
I leave ginger biscuits out so that they go a bit soft. I prefer them like that!
Oh yeah and Africa isn't a country. Nor is afrcia for that matter.
Sorry Africa is a continent but thank you for the typical response, pick fault with the spelling and belittle.
Our leader is a ^&*( too - but I would like to think that other countries wouldn't write off our whole country on that basis.
I didn't write the whole country off as a result of the leader I only and I think rightly so put forward the actions of the countries leader as an example of the country, hence my reference to obama.
At the risk of attracting the wrath of the resident STW history "expert" -
is a tad unfair. I don't think I've yet seen an [i]entire nation[/i] anywhere demonstrating about anything.Its hard to feel compassion for a nation that is quick to start burning effigies and ranting at the west at a drop of a hat.
In fact, the last time this happened in ****stan was of course when Dave said something of the equivalent accuracy of "air has oxygen in it". I remember the newscast showed about half-a-dozen silly looking frothers-at-the-mouth jumping up and down under a very amusingly miss-spelt banner about somebody called "David Camroon" who apparently has a "Loos" mouth.
[b]Elfinsafety[/b]
Why do you presume that I don't give a toss, I was simply implying that a substantial sum could be raised by the amount of of people of ****stani origin or immigrants alone! Don't jump to conclusions.
I do think it's an interesting point that all the Muslim brothers of the Arabian peninsula region always stay very quiet in the face of disasters to part of their precious "Umma" whilst the evil West is the one to lend a hand.
Although there was a feature just this week on a U.K. "Islamic" charity begging for help from us, I don't remember them mobilising to assist during the Haiti earthquake disaster...
I do think we are a bit over generous and far too quick to empty our pockets in foreign aid. Yes it is v tragic but as said previous where are their ridiculously rich islamic brothers???? I am afraid if the shoe was on the other foot there wouldnt be a massive aid rush to help us.
Albeit on a lot lesser scale what about the poor folk who are still destitute from the cumbrian floods???? There wasnt a rush from the government to assist them??? Charity begins at home first i am afraid.
I believe that ****stan's "Muslim Brothers" are providing aid, as are many other countries of the world. Maybe it is the way our press report on such issues as to why we don't hear about what other countries are doing to help.
“The Saudi Royal Air Force will establish an air bridge to Islamabad to transport the relief supplies,” the statement said. The Saudi Finance Ministry has already arranged large amounts of foodstuffs, medicine, blankets and tents for the flood victims.“We are coordinating with UN organizations to distribute humanitarian and emergency relief supplies worth $100 million, which the Kingdom had earlier allocated to support victims of natural calamities in ****stan,” the statement said.
Just a quick search and hey presto.....
After taking a beating in the media for failing to come up with aid for earthquake-stricken Haiti, oil-rich Saudi Arabia has now agreed to pitch in $50 million to help the poor Caribbean Sea nation, news agencies are reporting.The aid will be directed through the United Nations.
"The kingdom, by instruction of King Abdullah, is donating $50 million ... to assist the Haitian people," foreign ministry spokesman Osama Nugali told Agence France-Presse today.
-- Los Angeles Times
It does appear that Saudi Arabia took a bit of time to open their wallets though!
Although there was a feature just this week on a U.K. "Islamic" charity begging for help from us, I don't remember them mobilising to assist during the Haiti earthquake disaster...
MAybenot the same charity, but a Muslim one nonetheless:
[url= http://www.muslimcharity.org.uk/index.php?pageid=9&menuid=29§ionid=0&articleid=59 ]
[/url][b]News -> Muslim Charity Launches Emergency Appeal for Haiti Earthquake Victims
Muslim Charity Launches Emergency Appeal for Haiti Earthquake Victims[/b]Dated: January 13th 2010
Muslim Charity has launched an Emergency Appeal for victims of the tragic Earthquake that struck the Haiti Region late last night.
See, we don't get to hear about what happens outside of the scope of Western Media interests, so we often don't know what the real situation is. It's easy to sit and slag someone off when you can't see the full picture.
More here:
http://www.muslimcharitiesforum.org.uk/media/news.html#
The internet is a wonderful thing; you can find out all sorts of information about stuff.
Or you can of course choose to ignore it, and wallow in ignorance, if that serves you better.
Burls
Also colonization wasn't only a one way thing, yes it was done by us for purely selfish reasons but where would those countries be now without the infrastrucure we put in place during colonization?
FFS what next thank Hitler for the Jewish Holocaust as it helped get support for a Jewsih state/Israel? As you noted we did not do it to help them we did it to help ourselves, literally, to their resources [including people]. The fact it may of benefited them is entirely accidental as it is with the holocaust.
I do think it's an interesting point that all the Muslim brothers of the Arabian peninsula region always stay very quiet in the face of disasters to part of their precious "Umma" whilst the evil West is the one to lend a hand.
Have you thought about listening to [url= http://english.aljazeera.net/ ]al jazera[/url] or going to a mosque or a Muslim country to see what they are doing to help? Perhaps you could read a bit more on the subject see links above or just type in to Google before giving us your inaccurate views? Just a thought? I think most if us have got it that you hate/dislike all religions but must you suspend all your critical faculties every time there is an event which you perceive as having a religious link? For example re Haiti it is hardly surprising that a Muslim is more likely to give to a Muslim now is it? or a MTB more likely to donate to say the air ambulance than say the RNLI. Does this get you equally hot under the collar ? You also seem to be accusing them of doing nothing to help Muslims and of only helping Muslims which is it? See point above above your hatred of religion clouding your reasoning.
Tragedy for sure, we may be poor in our terms[ but not in world terms and certainly not in comparison to the people in ****stan.
And just how much have you donated Junkyard?
Where's allah when you need him eh...?
Have you thought about listening to al jazera or going to a mosque or a Muslim country to see what they are doing to help? Perhaps you could read a bit more on the subject see links above or just type in to Google before giving us
Fair enough.
The internet is a wonderful thing; you can find out all sorts of information about stuff.
Good point.