Whoses to say you earn the 100k before your kidnapped/IED'd, disfigured or killed?
you might be two weeks into your stint before injured.
How are you getting to and from the camp? Even if its by helicopter there is the very real risk of being brought down by RPG's now.
No. Theres more to life than money- life itself.
I have alot of sympathy for any soldier that is killed or injured. Killed or injured contractor raking in 100k tax free a year? meh
Bugger, and all this time I've been doing it to get your sympathy if I get injured or killed supercyril...
Hora's glass is always half-empty I've noticed.
if its one of the big ones where the americans have built themselves a mcdonalds, then yeah I think I'd jump at the chance. Could set yourself up quite nicely.
"quite nicely" sounds like an exaggeration, surely? it'd be like camping at a motorway services in the middle of the desert. with squaddies. plus a lot of the food places have been ordered to close, as it happens: http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/07/army_fastfood_072410w/
Come to thing of it, with all the long days, what does 100k work out at as an hourly rate?
Depends on what you want out of life I suppose, so long as it is for a set period then your call. But as you say you will get used to the money no matter what you think now and that will be hard to wean yourself off. I was out with a mate for beers the other night who has worked in Saudi for the last 10 years. He'd been day rating for all of that period on an average of £1k a day, after 5 years got a bonus of £250k then on his 10 year completion got £500k. So for his 10 years away has probably ammassed all in about £3m. Is he happy?? No, he's the most bitter individual I know, being away for 10 years in the prime of his life (35-45). Has no partner, no family and not too many mates anymore. I too have these 'opportunities' but would rather take a lot less cash and have a life. I understand the arguement now he can have a life and not worry about money but we only have one shot at this and it's important to enjoy it. My 2 pence worth anyway.
hora - your concise analysis of the situation on the ground out there and the risks to possible contractors is most enlightening. You are not the sort of chap to undertake such employment - others are.
Is he happy?? No, he's the most bitter individual I know, being away for 10 years in the prime of his life (35-45). Has no partner, no family and not too many mates anymore.
Daddy!!!
Hora's glass is always half-empty I've noticed.
hora - your concise analysis of the situation on the ground out there and the risks to possible contractors is most enlightening. You are not the sort of chap to undertake such employment - others are
If an Army Officer can be shot in his bed whilst asleep inside a camp I doubt a contractor is safe.
OP Whats the medical insurance like with this job?
Had a mate many years ago who became a mercenary, great money, but being banged up in an Angolan nick for three years was pretty grim I suspect
Are you male or female ? If you are female I think you might be safer outside the barrier wire.
If I were younger, no kids or ties then yes, I'd go.
If an Army Officer can be shot in his bed whilst asleep inside a camp I doubt a contractor is safe.
What's the mortality rate for servicemen in Iraq compared to their peers in civilian population?
Are there any penalty/break-clauses in this contract? i.e. if you decide within a couple of weeks its a big mistake do you have to do or give anything back in compensation?
I'd still be interested to hear about the medical provisions/health insurance incase of serious (and longterm) injury provision.
Its not a lottery-cheque that you are being given is it?
Glass half-empty? I'm not a chancer.
What's the mortality rate for servicemen in Iraq compared to their peers in civilian population?
What from being shot dead or blown up?
>I'd go! 100k!! three weeks. why not
Eh ?
What from being shot dead or blown up?
Any cause you like. You're the one that's suggesting it's a death sentence and radically more dangerous than "civilian" employment in the UK. What do you base that on?
I think you're off the mark worrying about the death or serious physical injury risks. I suspect bigger problems would be the risks of PTSD, trauma or turning into a bitter smartarse after hanging around the dregs of the ex-RUC for months at a time.
So your saying over there you are wrapped up in cotton wool/bubblewrap to negate all civie accidents overhere?! LOL.
You longterm Contractor-lot really are single (and tetchy) for a reason 😉
Just what is it that you want to do?
We wanna be free
We wanna be free to do what we wanna do
And we wanna get loaded
And we wanna have a good time
That's what we're gonna do
No way baby lets go
We're gonna have a good time
We're gonna have a party
What's the job? I'd consider it
I'm a longterm contractor (on and off 4 years out here) and I'm happy and married. 🙂
It comes down to your aversion to risk and how you deal with it.
As long as you'd be happy with the job I'd say go for it. Although its a highly personal choice I think.
jus found out more about the job, it will be until dec 2011 (unless contract is extended). everything is paid for as far ass accommodation, food, medical, flights (courtesy of the RAF), medical insurance etc. I will not set foot outside the wire so should only have to worry about security within the camp, which, if you watch the news can be quite worrying. Theres no penalty clause for leaving early although there are bonuses if you stay longer. ie more cash! I just want to clear my debts, sort of like wipe the slate clean for when I get back working in the UK, and maybe things will have picked up overhere by then. And the 3 weeks off every 10 weeks is a lot more than I get in my current job. I dont mind working long hours for the money, beats the unpaid overtime in my current job.
don't take it then it'll give you something to look back on with regret and bitterness, like much of STW seem to spend their days doing........
Compare that to a 2nd Lieutenant's pay and what is expected of him outside of the Wire!
Scrappy - make sure you set aside at least £50k for shrinks bills once you return.
Got to be some risky element for that sort of money but hey ho, sounds like you shouldn't get killed and no immediate family to worry about - go for it.
Hora, do you mean a 2nd Lt pay over the course of his career, the training required, the pension and the full cost of employing him to do an operational role for 6 months?
Because it's a lot more than 50k.
Just do it
Don't listen to Hora, he hasn't been out the house in weeks for fear of the sky collapsing in on him
I know quite a few people in the comms industry that work out there & Iraq & none of them have run home scared
Oh, and lol at the advice from all the people who clearly have no idea what this work involves. Scrappy, if you want a non BS idea of what we do in this line of work send me an email. Or you can listen to the IT crowd and their idea of what it's like based on the 6 o'clock news and that Kemp bloke on Sky 1...
and maybe things will have picked up overhere by then.
Good point - you will be able to buy a palace on your return.
With all the technology nowadays should be lots to do..
Aye don't listen to me. Just don't pretend you are some quasi-mercenary and hang on to the coat-tails of the real brave people pretending to be rough and tough in your dessert boots and paunch with your stories when you return home 😉
I'd do it, for six months. Then take the money and hop.
my take on these things is that even if it's a total head****, its something interesting you've done in life, for a while. and like you say, debt free if you control the spending in the 3 week off periods. so head to a beach hut in sri lanka rather than a 5 star hotel in dubai....
EDIT - didn't mean head**** to still contain f u c k, thought the swear filters would sort it. sorry
Aye don't listen to me. Just don't pretend you are some quasi-mercenary and hang on to the coat-tails of the real brave people pretending to be rough and tough in your dessert boots and paunch with your stories when you return home
Obviously they want to throw £100K plus bonuses at someone to go over and play army. Hora, you (allegedly) work in recruitment. Surely you would realise that people pay top dollar for short-term requirements.
hora - Member
Aye don't listen to me. Just don't pretend you are some quasi-mercenary and hang on to the coat-tails of the real brave people pretending to be rough and tough in your dessert boots and paunch with your stories when you return home
*yawn*
Is this with KBR or Turners?
Could you possibly email me at St4@hotmail.com as I'm looking for work with them after i finish my tour.
Paul.
hora - Member
Aye don't listen to me. Just don't pretend you are some quasi-mercenary and hang on to the coat-tails of the real brave people pretending to be rough and tough in your dessert boots and paunch with your stories when you return home
*yawn*
...abd the iridescent Oakleys!
Got me on the oakleys...

"quite nicely" sounds like an exaggeration, surely? it'd be like camping at a motorway services in the middle of the desert. with squaddies. plus a lot of the food places have been ordered to close, as it happens: http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/07/army_fastfood_072410w/
Sorry, two seperate points, should have been clearer. I'd assume the big bases with the americans are pretty safe and as comfortable as that kind of thing can be (didn't mean the fast food specifically), and when you get home, you could set yourself up in life quite nicely with the money for a house deposit, nice car etc.
hell yeah, I'll come!! 😀
To me if there is something specific that you would use the money for that you couldn't do otherwise then perhaps ( retraining / mortgage / move abroad / go live your dream). if its just to accumulate the money 'cos you like money then perhaps not.
Hora - I believe Tree is the real deal.
I would!
How do you get into IT work in Afghanistan/Iraq?
Oh shit TJ's here. Now hes going to argue me into submission. Before I know it, he'll have brow-beaten me down and I'll be out there working 'behind the wire' myself 😯
