Is that a typo for Euro6?
Nope.
Both my Euro5 diesels (2012 Passat and 2011 Smax had a DPF but not an ad blue system).
According to RAC a DPF is mandatory for Euro 5.
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/emissions/euro-emissions-standards/#euro-5
I've got a Euro 5 ford and it doesn't have one,
I'd be wondering if it had been deleted/removed if the car was registered after 2011.
Plenty of readily available data out there showing EVs have lower lifetime env costs than pretty much any ICE car, let alone a LR 110
Only when comparing new with new. Used LR 110 has no manufacturing env cost v a new EV that has to be built for your order
And it’s pretty easy to get the payload on an older 110 up to 1 tonne.
Unless you're going to do a couple of 1hour+ journeys a week that are on fast/free flowing roads you're increasing your odds of expensive emissions based trouble quite significantly imo.
I think that’s an exaggeration. I’ve had several dpf diesels that do regular 30-40min runs that have had no issues with regens or clogging.
@garage-dweller and @RustyNissanPrairie have covered modern diesels / DPFs / Ford wet belts well. We've owned a 67-plate Transit Custom from new with the 2.0 euro6 engine with wet belt, DPF, AdBlue etc. All good in 40k miles and 9 years. No issues whatsoever. Oil/filter change annually so every 5-6k miles, fuel filter every second year. Had a wet belt recall inspection at around 3 years old and was deemed to be fine. Wet belt changed at 6.5 years / 30k miles and was in perfect condition - £850 via a specialist (All Things Transit in Cumbernauld).
Mixed use for ours - a good amount of urban driving but at least an hour of motorway most weeks. No issues with regens etc that I'm aware of. Usage likely to have more urban use in a few years time which concerns me admittedly - as per @garage-dweller's most recent post above.
Basically, don't get scared off them if you're considering one. There's loads out there and the vast majority have no issues. Difficultly is - as with any used vehicle - knowing how it's been looked after before you.
Bear in mind, just how many Transits, Transporters and Stellantis vehicles are on the road - you will see issues, especially from the abused ones. Look after it, it will do you well.
I've had my Vivaro a year and I couldn't tell you when a regen happens, but the van does get regular long runs on a motorway. It's been perfect so far. It will be having annual oil changes - mileages only about 5k pa. The only thing I do is add Wynns ad-blue anti-crystallisation fluid to it when I put in a bottle of ad-blue. At the service, the main dealer asked if I wanted an engine/dpf cleaner in the fuel tank, and considering it was same price as a 'shop' I said yes. I'll get them to do the fuel filter next service. I also intend to get the auto transmission fluid changed by a specialist at around 50k miles.
Re DPF/Ad Blue I’m not convinced about the short journey thing . My journeys tend to be quite long but there are numerous times the car has been mid re gen and I’ve stopped. I don’t see how it can complete the cycle if you have switched it off
Mines currently in the garage with an engine warning light . I’m guessing the answer will be DPF/Ad Blue related
Have got two diesels in daily use - a T5 van (190k miles) and a 330d (90k miles).
Would replace them like for like in a heart beat - - the van is the same footprint as a passat, wife's daily driver and let's us do outdoor stuff that we want to do. Non-ULEZ, I don't take it into the city centre. BMW is Euro6 and one of the best cars we've ever had - super all rounder - we like the engine (N57) - would definitely get another.
Got my new diesel delivered last week, been thinking of getting one for a while and wanted an open top for summer fun! Very pleased with it so far, no ulez or dpf to worry about either.
https://www.rippa.com/product/mini-excavator-r319/
Yes...going to do just that in about a month. Our petrol car went today...4 weeks on two wheels before a house move then a new to us car.
BMW is Euro6 and one of the best cars we've ever had - super all rounder - we like the engine (N57) - would definitely get another.
I definitely wouldn't, but then I'm biased https://fleetworld.co.uk/bmw-stops-specialist-sales-to-police-forces/
I’ve had diesels in the past and really liked them. The fact that they’re now being excluded from city centres and having all kids of weird mechanisms in them to prevent pollution tells me that unless I had a really specific need for diesel the benefits don’t outweigh the impact they have on others.
We replaced our old non-ULEZ diesel CRV with …. Another diesel (Macan S). I thought I’d get a petrol estate, till I drove it. The Macan needs AdBlue, but its no big deal, is ULEX compliant (which I needed) and the 40 mpg for a sporty V6 is nice. In fact I hardly notice that it is a diesel. Next car will be electric, but I have no regrets.
We just recently bought an older diesel Honda as a long term runabout - Euro 5 so can’t go through Glasgow city centre, but we generally avoid it like the plague anyway. We sold our 18 plate Ford Tourneo as it was becoming troublesome after the wet belt was replaced. EVs might well be the future, but they’ve got their fair share of horror stories already; overly complicated systems that fail and cost thousands to repair or replace, ‘software as a service’ issues and so on.
On the Transit/Tourneo - we had an older 14 2.2 diesel Tourneo which we traded in for an 18 2.0 Tourneo with the DPF/wet belt/Ad Blue system. Former was a cracking van and gave us very few problems, the latter was fine for the first half of its life when it was manly doing longer 30-40 mile runs. My job changed post-covid, and I ended up commuting in the van, doing shorted drives in and out of Glasgow, which is what has killed it. Now I’ve retired, we’re planning on getting another van as a day van/camper, which may or may not be ICE, but I absolutely wouldn’t buy another wet belt diesel for ‘short hop’ driving, and I’d be wary about buying a second hand wet belt van unless I could be fairly certain that it’s journey profile was predominantly long haul trips.
For most van uses, diesel is still king, and it will still likely be that way for a while yet.
EV van options are generally not that great, unless your usage suits them.
My current employer has some, but they're only used locally for non-critical stuff.
Car fleet is now mostly electric with some hybrids, where they work well.
Still a few diesels kicking around though.
Anything above a Custom/Transporter/Vivaro size EV is only really any good for local delivery work.
Current employer also has the UKs first EV of it's kind, and all I'll say it's still not done a single active shift in the year since being delivered, and has gained the nick name of the Electric Elephant. On paper has a range of 120miles, in reality it struggles to make 80miles.
However I was talking to a trainer who had a new Custom hybrid, and he loved it. From Birmingham to Edinburgh and he averaged 70mpg starting with a full charge, as that was the first longer drive he'd done in it, and that was with his kayak on the roof (he had another course to deliver in Dundee, then he was taking a few days of to explore!), although he had taken the scenic route up the A7 rather than the M74/A702.
Wet belts are fine, provided you change the oil when it's supposed to be.
I'm on my second diesel Custom, and have maintained many different major fleets.
I've only ever seen one wet belt failure that wasn't caused by lack of oil changes (the belt in that case was a result of something else failing), and you'd be surprised at the fleets with the biggest percentage of failures, as they actively told their drivers to reset the oil warning as it was "just a software issue showing the oil warning early".
DPFs aren't as problematic as they used to be. Regen algorithms have been well tweaked, and unless you're doing lots of stop/start journeys with no longer runs, then you likely won't have any issues. Most diesels now only need 15 minutes of running to do a normal regen, and they'll do it as soon as the exhaust system is warm enough to start the catalyst process. It's only when doing a forced regen, that there are many more pre-requisites that need met to ensure the optimum conditions for the regen.
SCR systems are probably the bigger issue, but again, newer systems have had a lot of the earlier issues addressed, however there are some quite expensive parts involved, which do fail with age. NOx sensors are probably the biggest issue, and although aftermarket options are available, reliability is very hit or miss, and why many garages will only fit genuine.
Don't forget, most vans are on a 2 year, 30k mile oil change. If you've got your own, and plan to keep it, you'll get it done each year (or more if high miles). Bought mine at 3 years old and 35k miles. It had it's first change at 2 years and 30k miles. Next change was 4 years and 40k when I had it serviced. It will now be on 12 month (6k max) changes. I plan keeping it a long time.
Yeah, this. I get a service every year and the Dispatch keeps working. DPF fluid got changed as part of this year's service and the chap advised me that now was the time for the brakes to have some love, but that has been it for a year.
Given my use case (the commute to town once/twice a week and the weekly 100km trip to the DZ) an EV with 300km range would actually work well. If I have to go further, I'll find a charger, take a break. If the PV5 is anything like the Niro I had, I'd consider one as a lease if I really needed to switch out the Citroen.
1) Price of diesel will rise faster than the rate of petrol after ban on new diesel cars.
why? less demand, although still enough vehicles on the road that availablity wont be an issue for proabbly at least a decade after the ban. Plus commercial vehicles will still be using it long after that most likely.
2) Depreciation will be steeper on diesels after the ban.
no new supply should keep prices of used ones up at least in the short term.
3) My parents live in the ULEZ - will diesels be banned totally at some point?
possibly. however, it was first introduced in 2019 and applied to diesels pre-2015. Now in 2026, it hasn't been updated yet...
and of course, its not a ban, its a charge. while its terrible if you live there, for an occasional visit to the folks, doesnt seem like its worth buying a new car for.
I've had a 2 litre turbo-diesel Euro 6 (no add-blu) Kuga for a tad over 4 years. 8 years old now. 70k miles (first 3.75 years put 19k on it before I bought it - 2 Covid years kept that low).
My travels are a mix of short local, 10 miles to work once or twice a week, and longer stuff.
Zero problems so far with it. (OK the clutch + flywheel will need replacing sooner rather than later, as a result of general wear + was used towing originally). But that's mostly not a diesel thing, just a wear and use thing.
I held my nose when I bought it, as my previous turbo diesel was a hateful unreliable Euro 5 bag of shite from Vauxhall. That probably reflects on Vauxhall though not diesels.
Would I buy another? If the body was a foot to 18" longer to give more cargo space, then absolutely.
Oil and filter changes regularly (every 6-7k miles for me) seems key. The 12k+ intervals from manufacturers is a recipe for longer term problems in all car types. (They only care about low fleet costs for the first 3-4 years til out of warranty, not long term durability or reliability).
As for fuel, don't forget the majority or diesel is used by trucks / haulage, so even if car demand reduces, the fuel demand from hauliers will keep it necessary (and the road haulage lobby will keep pressure on the Government if prices per litre get out of hand).
In my musings over what to buy next and when, one of my concerns is that petrol engines are still so much less economic than diesel. That plus the inevitable 'luxury' car extra car tax (a bigish Ford or Skoda is now in the luxury bracket FFS) makes it less appealing to get another cars - add £1k a year more on tax + fuel vs what I currently run. So I may stick with this diesel until it is dead.
Interestingly the WBAC 1st price offer for my car has gone UP in the last 6 months, not down ! Maybe the effects of people avoiding EVs unless they're on a company tax-dodge scheme meaning more demand for stuff like mine ?
I've just bought a 23 plate Transit, mostly to be used as a weekend van. MrsReady looking to get a EV as our daily to offset
"Defo not EV for a van. You'll very quickly get very pissed off at the pathetic range."
200+ miles in mine, 20 mins for a wee and a coffee and it'll do another 150. That's 350 miles with only a 20 minute 'delay' for the sake of 99% of my other trips being quieter, more comfortable, less polluting and an almost embarrassing amount cheaper 🙂
Mine has the same footprint pretty much as a lwb caddy, but has way more capacity thanks to it's super low floor.
Costs me 270 a month, long range version, fully loaded.
Kia PV5
Can you get a bike in the back wheels on? Remarkably difficult to get pics/video of the interior!
Do the rear seats fold individually or as one unit?
Cheers!
Talking to Mrs dB last night about replacing her car, thought she might want to go EV but no she's wanting a diesel Audi 😞
