[Closed] Would 34% of the UK vote for such a far right politician like Le Pen?

There are substantial numbers of labour voters and probably even more than a few green voters that will have voted "out". I cant believe you side with such people!?!?

Stoner - would you agree that certain of the leaders of the Brexit campaign, say Farage, look very much like LePen, and actually the Brexit campaigns policies (EU, Euro for example, though she did chop and change a bit) were slightly more extreme that LePen's?
And on that basis it is virtually factual that a LePen type character in a two horse race in Britain could poll 35%+ of the vote? - which was the original question.

who's the other horse?

Much of the debate in france was framed around a hobsons choice of Melenchon/Le Pen being the two anti-establishment candidates and the electorate fed up to the back teeth of the establishment parties.

Once into the second round though, the context was an easier sell between extremist and capitalist (remember Le Pen is a protectionist closer to hard left in economics than conservative) and, yes, how on earth can that have been a "tough" choice? But were there to have been a "centrist" establishment alternative I dont doubt that actually Le Pen would not have got anywhere near 35% and the same would apply if our own Le Pen were in a two horse versus say, May, Farron, or Ummuna/Lewis/Sharmer*

* I cant bring myself to believe Corbyn could ever be a viable candidate even in a thought experiment 😀

(EDIT: my post edit crossed your "Corbyn" 😀 )

Corbyn 😈

So who would you pick a sociopath who cares only about being elected or a dreamer who wants a fairer society?

Stoner - Member

apologies for singling you out specifically Northwind, but the sentiment in here from the left (and I think you'll concede you're "of the left") is so invariable along the lines of "all those that vote Tory are evil". Because evil things.

Yes I'm very much of the left and thanks for the apology, but... you've imagined that I think "all those that vote Tory are evil", maybe you should take a step back and ask if you're imagining it elsewhere too? It's absolute nonsense. Even people who think the Tory party are evil don't believe all their voters are evil, unless they're out of their minds.

So who would you pick a sociopath who cares only about being elected or a dreamer who wants a fairer society?

seems rather limited options.

Can we not choose between a professional politician who only cares about being elected and a dreamer who wants to euthanise all of Wales?

Since when is a National Socialist party 'far right' ?

****s sake, if you think all Tories or their voters are Evil, or Racist or both you're wrong, they're Xenophobic, they hate and fear white people born a few miles away over the channel too, but seriously some are probably some of those things, it’s a scale not a yes/no type thing. If the Tories are evil, it’s greed that drives them, Xenophobia is just as easily be a socialist driver and if history tells us anything it usually is – not because they don’t like dark people, but because they want to protect jobs but closing free trade with the rest of the world.

[quote=enfht ]Since when is a National Socialist party 'far right' ?

when it wants to euthanise all of [s]Wales[/s] Jews would be a good sign

Since when is a National Socialist party 'far right' ?

Since when is a Democratic Peoples Republic a 'dictatorship'?
Although admittedly the Nazis use of the name is a tad more complex with the multiple factions in its early days. The Night of Long Knives though pretty much removed the left leaning part of the party

Le Pen is a protectionist closer to hard left in economics than conservative

Strangely the hard right often is. But then sometimes it's not.

and a dreamer who wants to euthanise all of Wales?

Is this Tory Policy now?

It may appear radical now, but I can see all the parties offering this in the next few years..

Although admittedly the Nazis use of the name is a tad more complex

Didn't the Nazi's have a left wing economic policy?

my outie parents have been labour voters previously,
Im having this argument with them, my dad is still ardent that the positives of brexit will outweigh the negatives and will be voting for May

This is an interesting view of priorities but also that Brexit is not a Labour/Conservative thing. I believe the great Tony Benn would have voted Leave after all.
Difficult for me to comprehend voting for May as a leftie and a remainer but wonder how I would feel if I strongly supported a severe Brexit. Would I throw all my other ideals out of the window, I surely hope not.

Didn't the Nazi's have a left wing economic policy?

great Tony Benn would have voted Leave after all

Great?
Or just mouthy?

As for the 34% I think thats a little less than we have in this country, more like 52% (give or take)
Sadly I do think this country has turned into mild mannered Racists, not overt Racists just the ones that secretly don't like anyone different to them. Fine to have your bathroom done by a bunch of very experienced, very cheap, and reliable, Polish builders but underneath your breath despise them for it and the cash you pay them...
and buy your sandwiches from Tesco, which are made on the A1, in a factory employing an overwhelming majority of 'foreigners" yet not want to pay anymore than £1.90 on a chicken flavoured sodden slop in a cardboard surround.. and ignore the fact that those sandwiches have been "touched".

Casual racism is rife in this country, I was shocked and saddened by the In/Out vote and the build up and post vote and the openness that racism is now an accepted, nay encouraged.

But thankfully the French have voted correctly.

And I now view everyone with suspicion and mistrust.

Im having this argument with them, my dad is still ardent that the positives of brexit will outweigh the negatives and will be voting for May

Didn't the Nazi's have a left wing economic policy?

As for the 34% I think thats a little less than we have in this country, more like 52% (give or take)
Sadly I do think this country has turned into mild mannered Racists, not overt Racists just the ones that secretly don't like anyone different to them. Fine to have your bathroom done by a bunch of very experienced, very cheap, and reliable, Polish builders but underneath your breath despise them for it and the cash you pay them...

What a load of utter tosh! We are one of the most multi-cultural and diverse nations on Earth.

Nah, it ain't tosh.

Multicultural we maybe, but it's clearly been proven we're a nation of casual racists.

Over to you, you clearly don't like what I've written.

"Watches with suspicion"

What a load of utter tosh! We are one of the most multi-cultural and diverse nations on Earth.

Aye. And a quick look suggests you're a Londoner bikebouy. Who on earth are you mixing with to get that kind of idea?

13% of Britons weren't born here. So plenty of room for, shall we call it, delusions of national superiority in the rest of the population.

Anyway the May has since last summer been trying along with the Brexy press to create a monoculture. Hence the enemies, saboteurs, and we're all Brexies now statements.

She is definitely trying to kill off diversity and multiculturalism.

She is definitely trying to kill off diversity and multiculturalism.

Now I don't like May but how is she doing this?

The net migration thing, (which has failed anyway) won't change the diverse and multicultural society we already have.

So what policies is she advocating to "kill off diversity"?

"We are one of the most multi-cultural and diverse nations on Earth."

+1

The places I frequent are certainly multi-cultural and diverse, a wonderful range of nationalities and ethnicities everywhere I go. Work, social the lot.

OP it's a very good wuestion and the conversations bwtween my wofe amd her friends today was that its nit a good thing FN got 34%. Large parts if France feel let diwn by both the left and the right. A number of the candidates where very eurosceptic and raised immigratiin as a major policy issue.

As for the UK imagine you had a 2 party run iff between say UKIP and the Lib Dems. Its wasy to see UKiP getting 34% or maybe more.

As I posted years ago if the majornparties don't address voter concerns then outsiders will cone to fill the gap

vinnyeh - Member
What a load of utter tosh! We are one of the most multi-cultural and diverse nations on Earth.
Aye. And a quick look suggests you're a Londoner bikebouy. Who on earth are you mixing with to get that kind of idea?

Not my quote, that was someone else's.

I do frequent London, it's multicultural correct. I like it, in fact I think it's one of the best Cities in the world. I adore its variety of colour and race and language. It should be encouraged, not belittled like May and her Clan of right wingers are doing.
My statement above is very clear on my stance.

The political movement in the country is right wing, nobody can deny that. With that comes a fear and hatred of anyone different to themselves, thereby casual racism.

There's no need to turn this thread into a political standpoint, that threads alive and kicking on here already. This thread is about racism and the situation we have currently and a situation that we could face.

The political movement in the country is right wing, nobody can deny that. With that comes a fear and hatred of anyone different to themselves, thereby casual racism.

So all Tory voters are racists?

"I do frequent London, it's multicultural correct. I like it, in fact I think it's one of the best Cities in the world. I adore its variety of colour and race and language."

So if you're not talking about London where are you talking about?

So what policies is she advocating to "kill off diversity"?

All the stuff about coming together, acting as one, crushing those who disagree.

Think as May does or be labelled a saboteur.

Nonsense. The whole point of a democracy is to be able to disagree freely.

crushing those who disagree.

When did she say that?

The whole point of a democracy is to be able to disagree freely.

And you can.

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Thank you mrmo, I'm rubbish at posting pictures.

So Theresa May is the editor of the Daily Mail? 🙄

So Theresa May is the editor of the Daily Mail?

Has she or any member of the government condemned an attack on the judiciary reminiscent t of 1930s Germany?

Anyway the May has since last summer been trying along with the [b][u]Brexy press [/u][/b]to create a monoculture. Hence the enemies, saboteurs, and we're all Brexies now statements.

She is definitely trying to kill off diversity and multiculturalism.

There you go.

She could have instantly turned round and said that wasn't acceptable - she didn't.

I'd like to know, whether if Mr. Macaroon had been a 15 year old girl, having an affair with her male drama teacher, the media and the people in general would have been quite so willing to cheer him as first man in the same way they have cheerd Mrs. Robinson.

gobuchul - Member
So all Tory voters are racists?

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You tell me/us/the world. You are dismissing my stance on the subject so come clean with your view.

Or, maybe, go read the News.

All the stuff about coming together, acting as one, crushing those who disagree.

She could have instantly turned round and said that wasn't acceptable - she didn't.

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I don't like May. I am left of centre on somethings, centre on others and a little bit right on others.

However making shit up that simply isn't true does not help. Calling people racists, ignorant bigots just helps UKIP.

Putting words in peoples mouths doesn't help.

All it does is feed Trump/UKIP/Le Pen. #Fakenews.

I'd like to know, whether if Mr. Macaroon had been a 15 year old girl, having an affair with her male drama teacher, the media and the people in general would have been quite so willing to cheer him as first man in the same way they have cheerd Mrs. Robinson.

Do you mean like Donald Trump??

Do you mean like Donald Trump??

Exactly!

As I posted years ago if the majornparties don't address voter concerns then outsiders will cone to fill the gap

Or they could try and explain that what the voters see as issues are not actually issues, i.e. immigration. rather than just going along in ignorance.

Or they could try and explain that what the voters see as issues are not actually issues, i.e. immigration. rather than just going along in ignorance.

Or you could have a system where voters are actually important, FPTP doesn't help. Would UKIP have risen if there wasn't a small number who could be ignored rather than challenged. If the media actually did there job and informed rather than publishing any old gossip to get numbers.

Why is it for instance that Farage is always on the BBC yes he is an MEP, so why is he different to other MEPs?? How much coverage do the Green party get who have an MP? etc.

FPTP doesn't help.

You would have had a lot of UKIP MP's if you had proportional representation.

Or they could try and explain that what the voters see as issues are not actually issues, i.e. immigration. rather than just going along in ignorance

That hasn't played well for Corbyn for the last couple of years, just look at some of the threads on here