There are a lot of things in the world worth getting up in arms about. This isn't one of them.
Says the man... So all those women who ARE up in arms about this kind of thing in general - what are they complaining about? Are they all silly little emotional women or what?
Was in the 80s I think. After a Scotland match.
It's a tough life being hit on and harrassed by world class athletes, believe you me...
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Pretending to be offended is the trendy thing to be nowadays. You see it all over the place. Facebook, the Guardian and Independent, Twitter etc.
So who's pretending to be offended here, as you said.
I can see lots of people saying he was wrong to do what he did was wrong etc.
Nobody pretending to be offended though.
Or did you mean the interviewer ?
Was in the 80s I think. After a Scotland match.
RIght. Not really what I would describe as being 'a few years ago'.
So who's pretending to be offended here, as you said.
I was speaking in more general terms than just on here.
Fair enough.
Although I've not really seen anyone pretending to be offended over this anywhere really.
Just people saying he was being a dick etc.
Says the man... So all those women who ARE up in arms about this kind of thing in general - what are they complaining about? Are they all silly little emotional women or what?
I don't think so. Do you? You chose those words, not me. Interesting choice of phrase. Not something I'd use myself
I'd say that in general they have a flawed sense of perspective. Both the men and the women. Or the boys and the girls. Whatever.
@kennyp - shall we make a list of what you're allowed to be offended of? Sounds very dictatorial...
Just people saying he was being a dick etc.
I agree with you there.
@kennyp - shall we make a list of what you're allowed to be offended of? Sounds very dictatorial...
Yeah, if you want. Go for it. I'm off to have my dinner though.
All this copying and pasting and Junky isn't even here yet!
Bravo, STW!
All this copying and pasting !
All this copying and pasting !
All this copying and pasting !
All this copying and pasting !
All this copying and pasting !
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John Barclay is about 60, used to play for Sussex and was county captain. He was president, an honourary position, of the MCC a few years ago and has been team manager for England on a couple of tours. Definitely old school, but also a very fine cricketer who wasn't miles away from captaining England.
I'd say that in general they have a flawed sense of perspective.
But as we discussed on the other sexism thread, you can't dismiss someone's point on a subject about which you do not know as much.
It'd be like me telling someone their snowboard's rubbish.
But I'm not dismissing their opinions as such. I'm giving my own opinion, which is that I believe they are wrong. And they in turn are quite entitled to say mine are wrong. I certainly won't be offended or outraged if they do.
And it's a pretty straightforward subject. Transcript of the interview is freely availabilite. A quick read provides all the information you need. Equally though, I wouldn't try and give an opinion on someone's snowboard either. I know next to nothing about snowboards.
I believe they are wrong.
On what basis, though?
The saddest thing is that we are talking about this on a day when a black african scored a century for South Africa.
On the basis of hugely overreacting to something pretty trivial. Or in the case of a lot of the folk tweeting, being desperate to be publicly seen to being outraged.
YOU think it's trivial
There's some dodgy logic there, isn't there? You think it's trivial, people tell you it's not, so you then think they are being silly, because they are upset about something that you think is trivial, but you won't listen to them because you think they're silly, because you think it's trivial.
Is it possible for you to learn anything here?
Yes I think it's trivial. However I didn't say anything about people being silly. You did. For some reason. That's the second time you've tried to attribute me with saying things I didn't say. Please stop.
And I have listened. I've read lots of people's comments. Some I agree with some I don't. There's no dodgy logic. Someone expressed an opinion. I considered that opinion to be incorrect and therefore said so. And as I said, I'm equally happy for people to say that my opinion is wrong.
Oh for ****'s sake. You knew full well what I meant. I posed the question that you (or whoever else) might be somewhat more dismissive of the people who are telling you that it's a problem because they are women - subconsciously or otherwise.
Now if you disagree, then put a counter argument, don't talk rubbish about me putting words into your mouth. Why the hell would I do that? I'm not personally attacking you, I'm trying to draw out good arguments.
Like maybe you tell us why you think casual sexism is trivial.
.... However I didn't say anything about people being silly. You did. For some reason. That's the second time you've tried to attribute me with saying things I didn't say. Please stop.
No, but you did claim that they weren't really bothered by it at all, and were in fact just pretending.
I was disagreeing with both men and women. Therefore I can't put a counter argument because there isn't a case to argue against.
I believe the whole thing is trivial in that it was nothing more than a daft remark. Nothing to do with sexism, just someone saying something they maybe shouldn't have. Hardly worthy of the huge media attention. There are far more important things in the world to get worked up about
And by saying "so you think......" you are trying to attribute to me opinions that I don't actually hold. Had you put a question mark after the statements that would have changed the context greatly. That's why I asked you to stop. No need to swear.
Yes I do believe a lot of people, particularly public figures using Twitter, are pretending to be outraged. Some people probably are genuinely annoyed. Fair enough. I think they are wrong to be but they are quite entitled to their opinions.
And while it's been fun chatting, I'm off to bed now. Night night.
There are far more important things in the world to get worked up about
It's possible to disapprove of this sort of behaviour, and at the same time care about other things. (That are more important in your opinion)
It's not one thing at a time.
Or do you think the entire media should focus one one massive issue at a time, and ignore everything else that isn't as important?
That's the second time you've tried to attribute me with saying things I didn't say. Please stop.
Hmm, attributing you with things you didn't say....
Or in the case of a lot of the folk tweeting, being desperate to be publicly seen to being outraged.
It's a bit like imagining people's motivations for things and then criticising them for them isn't it.
The final word on the use of "girl" straight from the horses mouth as it were (where those with the most important opinion are presumably female cricket journalists)
"A bit of a girl's night out" - Alison Mitchell just now on TMS
Maybe she's taking her under 12 female children out for the evening ?
Or maybe sometimes people get in a froth without really thinking it through very well 😉
Well she did specify that it was an evening out with a couple of other female cricket journalists (I presume they were adults), and the comment was closely followed by her making some very good points about the Gayle incident. She considered that to be unacceptable and suggested that she'd heard the comments made the journalist involved feel uncomfortable (one of her "girl" companions had been in direct contact). Which should also be enough said for anybody grown up enough to accept that the opinion of the women most directly involved might be more valuable than their own.
So to answer the OP's title question then...
No.
Chris Gayle the gift that keeps on giving...
[url= http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-07/ca-asks-wicb-to-investigate-allegation-of-gayle-exposing-himself/7073770 ]Chris Gayle alleged to have indecently exposed himself; Cricket Australia ask West Indies Cricket Board to investigate[/url]
Fug it CBA.
@MWS: And yet, being a government minister and calling a journalist* a [url= http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jan/04/peter-dutton-apologises-for-calling-journalist-a-mad-witch-in-text-message ]mad ****ing witch[/url] seems to matter not one iota by comparison
*I say journalist, she's one of Murdoch's sycophants
zokes 2 very different things, especially as the Journalist doesn't reall seem bothered and in reality it was a comment that was sent to the wrong person after they had just got a kicking in the press.
Not really. It's the attitude behind the actions of Gayle and dun-nuttin-Dutton that's the issue here, not the comments themselves. The reason there should be far more of a furore about Dutton is because he's a senior cabinet minister who seems to think it's OK to refer to women as mad ****ing witches, same as his ex-boss thought it was great to stand in front of a huge banner calling Gillard a witch.
A sportsperson being a lethario is one thing, the misogyny that bubbles under a significant portion of the government is quite another.
