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However they can put it in your contract that you agree the limit doesn't apply to you
You have to agree to opt out of working time regs to work extra hours, including overtime, they can't force you to do either and can't make you sign.
FTE equivalent here is 35hrs, lunch not included. All done within a brilliant flexi system that results in me finishing at 1pm on Fridays.
Not always been this rosy though, I spent a shameful year as a recruitment consultant where working week was 46hrs and it was frowned upon to take any sort of break.
Mrs S is a GP and when she was a junior Dr in hospital she was regularly rota'd to work 90hr + weeks, 4 weeks solid without breaks. She was expected to lie on her working hours audit forms. Not safe enough to drive a bus on those hours but allowed to make medical decisions 🙄
45 here, but generally 50, no paid overtime either.
She was expected to lie on her working hours audit forms. Not safe enough to drive a bus on those hours but allowed to make medical decisions
Yep, same for my Mrs S. Always shocked me. I believe the NHS are still one of the few companies that are completely exempt from the working time directive.
I believe the NHS are still one of the few companies that are completely exempt from the working time directive.
No they're not very few jobs are.
45 hours a week. Basic 8-5 hours but as a very small company we don't really take a lunch break so it adds to 45 hours. Shame really as there's a great skate park 5 mins away and could spend an hour there most days but that's life
36 hour week, 07:30-17:10 including an unpaid lunch.
4 day week with a rolling day off each week.
Most people on this pattern do an occasional Saturday (so they'll get two weekdays plus Sunday off that week) If anyone is an employer on here, it really does make sense. You get your staff in for longer each day, they spend less time/money commuting, you can use it as an incentive to get people to work weekends, and the biggy, they don't feel the need to skive off for appointments/car servicing/etc. And during busy periods, these people can come back in on overtime on their day off 🙂 (except I've had no overtime for ages 🙁 )
I'd do a 3 day week, 7:00 to 7:40 pm if they'd let me! 12hr day plus lunch, I'd love it 🙂
Why work longer hours? Because there is no way I could remotely cover everything in a 40 hour week, plus I would find myself unemployed in about a week if I started leaving at 5. Not hard.
I'm not entirely sure what my standard hours are, moved from a 37.5 basic plus O/T in a flexitime environment. I'll normally do 7.30 or 8 till 5 or 6. No O/T for that, though I do work and get paid for Saturdays if I want to.
what bothers me is, for those of you getting paid for 37 hours but doing 50 without getting paid for the extra in Overtime or TOIL, why?
Are you that inefficient?
Are you creeping to the boss for a reason?
Do they give you more work than you can reasonably do in the allotted time?
1) No.
2) I've spent the last year working hard. I was rewarded by the creation of a new position which is really enjoyable for me. I expect more of the same...
3) As it's a new position, I set my own workload to a large extent. I could do 9-5 and be satisfied, but the efforts I put in make me happy.
I do 8-3.30, but I don't take a break as such, otherwise I'd finish at 4.00. If I do work on, then I get paid for it, as happened yesterday, but that was only half an hour to finish off a folding job. Previous job had lots of overtime, at least an hour every day, plus Saturday mornings, but now I'd rather do the hours above; it's nice finishing work with still some daylight during the winter, and I'm just out of the habit, plus sitting in front of a Mac was a lot less onerous than running a bloody folding machine.
You lot have it easy.
39 hrs, 13 different shifts, & bank holidays (inc Xmas, New Year, Easter etc) all included in the price with absolutely no guarantee whatsoever of getting leave when you want/really need it.
Loads of overtime though as we're so short of staff.
If your'e thinking of joining the prison service.....
When I got my contract they sent me through the opt out for EU working time directive. I signed it as I wanted the job. I'm young so progressing and more money are more important then only working 9-5!
erm why did you sign it? you can still work as much as [b][u]you[/u] [/b]want without signing it - all it does is sign your rights to refuse away...
btw 35 hours week here, but i'm in one of the professions with the highest incidence of stress related sickness so very aware of the slippery slope to burnout
I look at you guys with jealousy, I had Monday off sick and I've still worked 35hrs and have one day to go. If I don't do it I earn Shit all!
I just really wish they'd make tachos legal in sub 3.5T vehicles, our company would have to double the amount of staff out on the road if they did!
I don't have working hours. I have a job. How I manage that is up to me. My staff start at 6:00am and don't finish until 3:00am some days (two shifts worth) so i can't be there for all of it, just make the hours count and get in with what can be done in the evenings post putting microbits to bed.
I understand that lots of people don't want to work extra hours, but the ones who achieve and therefore get the promotions / raises / bonuses often do.
Self employed so works lots 50 hours plus is the norm in term time. This thread is a bit of an eye opener tbh!
Judging by the posts coming in now, I reckon the long hours workers are coming in from work! 😉
Officially contracted to 42.5 hours per week.
08:00 to 17:30 Monday to Thursday 08:00 to 15:00 Friday with 1/2 hour lunch.
But, I am paid to do a job not put hours in. Some days I work longer, some days I finish earlier and take the rough with the smooth.
erm why did you sign it? you can still work as much as you want without signing it - all it does is sign your rights to refuse away...
I would like to opt back into the EU directive, but if I did then its in my contract that they would reduce the amount of wages I could earn! I'm pretty sure this is illegal but hey!
I just really wish they'd make tachos legal in sub 3.5T vehicles, our company would have to double the amount of staff out on the road if they did!
I must be wrong but I thought all commercial vehicles carrying goods had to have tachos fitted? I recall a traffic cops with a land rover towing a trailer, the driver was under business insurance, and the scottish policeman (PC Nairn, IIRC), asked him where the tacho was. The guys face was a picture.
36hr week over 4 days
No weekends - OT - Wed off
We don't get OT just time in return
Not worth it for me
Plus I love the 4 day week
Mid week skiing & biking or sort car / lawn etc
Ah, ambition. I used to have some of that.
Now I've got a much better work/life balance
And yet you still appear to be quite miserable 🙂
Contract says 44, but expected to have an Admin day' of 4 hours on top of that.
Reality? The norm tends to be about 55, just had my first Saturday off, and week off, since July
You have to have a tachograph on a vehicle if you're towing a trailer for business.
Other than that a commercial vehicle under 3.5T is exempt.
Junior doc here. Fully signed up to EWTD so my contract says I work 48hrs per week. My rota has me working 76 hours this week (5x12 + 2x8 hr shifts) and I'll have actually worked >80 by the time Sunday finishes. No overtime payments.
37.5 hours
personally I'd do the calculation on a per hour basis. I like the fact I have evenings relatively free. On a good day I can be home at 5pm which in summer gives me 4hours to ride in daylight. Wouldn't want to finish at 6 regularly even if they paid me for the hours worked. Suppose that depends on how much you need the money vs. want the time.
Leglam, the EWTD has covered junior doctors since 2004/2005, how are they still getting away with giving those sort of hours?
I work 12 hr shifts 7-7, days or nights on a zero hours contract, so I might do 2, 3 or more shifts a week.
Only get 45mins for lunch though. The hardest part is being sat down in front of a screen for all that time!
Self employed - roughly 30hrs per week excluding unpaid travel over 4 days.
I'm daughter duty 1 day while wifey works.
Feeling fortunate
BenHouldsworth - Member
Leglam, the EWTD has covered junior doctors since 2004/2005, how are they still getting away with giving those sort of hours?
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It's averaged over 17 weeks, so somehow it averages out at 48hrs/wk. Not quite sure how!
160 hours a month minimum so 40 hours a week over odd shifts! Normally end up being rota'd to do more, 180ish a month.
The joy of self-employment means that:
(A) the Working Time Directive does not apply to me; and
(B) for the past thirteen years I have not worked fewer than 60hrs per week and regularly put in 90-100hr weeks.
Yes, that often means starting at around 7am and finishing around 1am.
I haven't included lunch (which I often don't get anyway, because I have to work through it) or travel time in that, btw.
Hadn't actually thought that hard about it until I read this thread.
FML.
stimpy - Member
The joy of self-employment means that:(A) the Working Time Directive does not apply to me; and
(B) for the past thirteen years I have not worked fewer than 60hrs per week and regularly put in 90-100hr weeks.
Yes, that often means starting at around 7am and finishing around 1am.
I haven't included lunch (which I often don't get anyway, because I have to work through it) or travel time in that, btw.
Hadn't actually thought that hard about it until I read this thread.
FML.
Fair play, that's mad. How do you manage to do that?
I struggle to do my 40 hours.
This thread reminds me; I need to get some ovies in, I'm obviously slacking...
It may have been mentioned already; the UK's biggest employer considers 37.5hrs excluding breaks to be the norm, and pay x1.5 for anything over that. I'm not arguing.
RichPenny
How do you get that? I like my job, I'm just not prepared to work more hours than I'm paid for. I'm also a lot happier now I WFH 4 days out of 5
I am contracted to work 37.5 hrs doing shifts 5 days a week .
However just been offered a job that pays more and is 4 days on 6 days off, which is 12 hr shifts 2xdays then 2xnights when on. Downside is its a rolling pattern so involves weekends etc . Positives more money, family time and obviously ride time.
I reckon I'd do that, 6 days off in a row would be awesome! You do get used to working some weekends, so long as its not all the time it doesn't get too demoralising 🙂
3 x 12 hours on a 3 on, 5 off shift pattern. Will be doing 72 hours this week, could've done 84 but knocked back a shift.
bigbloke - Member
I am contracted to work 37.5 hrs doing shifts 5 days a week .However just been offered a job that pays more and is 4 days on 6 days off, which is 12 hr shifts 2xdays then 2xnights when on. Downside is its a rolling pattern so involves weekends etc . Positives more money, family time and obviously ride time.
You should check its not 4 on 4 off in summer! Some do 4 on 6 off in winter and 4 on 4 off in summer to cover holidays
Its not i already work for the same company, just on a different site.
Was doing 70+ hour weeks when started business, sometimes with races a weekends so up to 6 weeks without a day off.
Have scaled that back a bit now as have 2 children under 4 and I'd like to see them, had Exposure 12/24 last weekend so looking forward to a day off tomorrow!
My formal job is nursing 30 hours per week which i do in 12 hour shifts so 2 or 3 a week. I also do up and rent properties with my brother and a friend, and time dedicated to this can vary greatly. We have also got a micro brewery off the ground, this is great fun, and physically only takes about a days labour per week between the 5 of us doing it, but we are all spending a bit more time doing promotions etc and generally having a bit of a laugh with it.
davidtaylforth - up at 5.30am/6am each morning, working from around 7am onwards, break for total of a couple of hours between then and 6pm ish (for dinner, with family) then back working from 9pm ish until the small hours.
Repeat Mon-Fri and work evenings Sat and Sun.
If I knew being a lawyer was this glamorous before I started, I might've picked another career.