[Closed] Woman tries to trip jogger and falls in front of a bus

I reckon the two of them pass frequently

As they approach, the jogger is on the left and you can see that he was heading towards the woman who moves to her left so as to avoid him. At the same moment, the jogger moves to his right to avoid her.

Anyone who uses busy pavements will know this happens all the time it's just being aware of other people. The decision you have to make is whether to stay on course or move over, and often the other person will do the same thing so you end up doing a ridiculous shimmy on the pavement. The Germans have the best technique - they simply stop and the other person goes around them.

In this video the jogger decides to stay where he is, the woman does the same thing and they collide.

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40889511 ]Man held over woman 'pushed into bus'[/url]

Can't see how they'd get a conviction for anything over this. Rocketman's version will be the one put forward. Can't and won't prove the necessary intent for any kind of assault charge.

In this video the jogger decides to stay where he is, the woman does the same thing and they collide.

still failing to see how anyone can not see his change of direction and his deliberate push shown by how his arm furthest away is involved.

If he had just bumped into her it would just have been a clash of shoulders, or at most one of his arms being raised.

The pavement was not busy - there was plenty of room to his left for him to make the same degree of change of direction as he made but to his left and he would have been nowhere near her.

These days the court in which he will be tried most severely, will be that of social media.

His name will come out and I wonder if he will have a job in a months time

~75-100Kg man jogging knocks down woman on pavement, huge public outcry on the internet.

People driving cars with ~10-20x the mass at typically ~5x (or more) the speed, hit cyclists who are then badly injured or dead, the silence is deafening.

still failing to see how anyone can not see his change of direction and his deliberate push shown by how his arm furthest away is involved.

Agreed. re-watcehd the footage and can't see it as anything other than deliberate.

Would love to know why.

Thing is, if he really did want to push her under the bus, surely its just random chance that he was passing her at exactly the right time a bus happened to be about to pass?

the main sign its deliberate is that he does not even stop after knowing he has just "accidentally knocked " someone into the road

No one who does this by accident just carries on jogging they stop for obvious reasons.

TBH its getting harder to tell who is a troll on here v who is just utterly deranged

Can't see how they'd get a conviction for anything over this. Rocketman's version will be the one put forward. Can't and won't prove the necessary intent for any kind of assault charge.

Agree.

I'm an unfit jogger - I veer and lurch a bit and could easily swerve the way he did and clout someone, instinctively raising my hands as a buffer then gasping my appologies and carrying on without properly looking back.

Occams razor says accident. If it isn't then someone out jogging decided to assault a stranger for no reason which seems even less likely.

A jogger bumped into David Cameron a while back. Joggers fall under cars. it's not exactly rare.

Maybe he had an inner ear disorder, maybe he's got some kind of motor control issue. There are all kind of explanations for veering into someone.

As stoatsbrother has said, the jury of public opinion has already cast its verdict.

knowing he has just "accidentally knocked " someone into the road

Failure to stop is totally inconclusive. If you did get your kicks deliberately pushing women under buses then you'd *definitely* stop and profusely apologise to make it look like an accident.

All not stopping shows is that he didn't know she'd hit the deck in a big way. It tells us nothing about intent.

"the incident, which happened on 5 May"

Dunno about fake news, but it is OLD news!

Thing is, if he really did want to push her under the bus, surely its just random chance that he was passing her at exactly the right time a bus happened to be about to pass?

Indeed, and if your plan to assault someone involved pretending to be out jogging and accidently clouting them wouldn't you a) Veer gradually rather than at the last minute b) Stop and pretend to be concerned. c) Not come back the way you went 15 minutes later.

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40889511 ]Suspect now arrested[/url]
Regardless of any past history, which I don't see, it's pretty much a dick move.

What's the usual sentence for the crime of being an utter bastard?

All not stopping shows is that he didn't know she'd hit the deck in a big way

It tells us nothing about intent.

I think the push was deliberate, the fact that she almost fell under a bus coincidental.

I had thought that they had previous, BUT having looked at it again, I think its a simple case of him being [s]in the zone[/s] a nob and noticed something about her, maybe she was texting whilst walking and not looking where she was going. He's clearly had enough of this sort of nonsense so decides to teach her a lesson and 'accidentally' bumps in to her, shouting something like 'watch where you're going'. Whether or not at this point he knows he nearly killed her I'm not sure, however he realizes how much of a plonker he's been and tries to carry on regardless.

I've heard the term 'Joggers rage' mentioned in relation to this, where people act weirdly due to low blood sugar levels.

I think you might need to look up the definition of coincidence...

Can't see how they'd get a conviction for anything over this. Rocketman's version will be the one put forward. Can't and won't prove the necessary intent for any kind of assault charge.

Well I'm assuming the woman feels she's been assaulted, and I've just repeatedly watched a video that seems to confirm the assault. The arrested man will have his say I'm sure. But if I was on a jury he'd need a bloody good reason to explain his actions and avoid a conviction.
To speculate as to why he pushed the woman, I'd guess pure and simple meanness, maybe just having a bad day and wanted to take it out on someone.

It also looks like it could have been a defensive shove,maybe he thought she had bumped/shouldered him and pushed her away.

I can't see from the footage but it doesn't look like he'd know for sure there was a bus there.

I can't see from the footage but it doesn't look like he'd know for sure there was a bus there.

If it was deliberate he'd certainly know there was traffic there, obviously he wouldn't know the next vehicle was a bus. If it was accidental who knows what he was aware of, not much by the looks of it.

Plausible from PieFace.

I've heard the term 'Joggers rage' mentioned in relation to this, where people act weirdly due to low blood sugar levels.

Interesting. I had a bizarre experience when on a ride a year or two back, big group of runners coming towards me, slow right down and get to one side, yet one of them still goes nuts, screams at me to get out the way and tries to push me off my bike. Turned out they were on the last day of some three day running event. The joggers rage kind of explains it.

On second thoughts he does look to be trying to keep pace with the bus...

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I can't see from the footage but it doesn't look like he'd know for sure there was a bus there.

He'd know there was a road there. He'd know it's a very busy road. He'd know that there may have been moving traffic on said road.

Joggers rage

Joggers rage

Has anyone ever seen a happy jogger?

One who looks like they're actually enjoying the experience?

Jus' sayin'

BBC news website seems all over the place with this story. Initially it said a 41yr old man had been arrested in Chelsea and then held in custody. Now it's a 50yr old man who was held at his home and then released.

Man needs locking up! He pushes her looks at where she falls and carries on.

Accident and he'd stop. Defensive shove and he'd look back.

BBC news website seems all over the place with this story. Initially it said a 41yr old man had been arrested in Chelsea and then held in custody. Now it's a 50yr old man who was held at his home and then released.

The Mail / Express will soon clear this all up, he will be an illegal immigrant who thought the pedestrian looked like Diana, so pushed he under the bus because he hates the Royal family.....

So can you punch a jogger clean in the jaw now and it's ok?

All runners are psychopaths! It stands to reason. It's not like it's normal behaviour is it? God invented bikes so you wouldn't need too.

I'm convinced that nobody actually goes fell running. I firmly believe that the ones I see out on the moors when I'm riding are actually just returning from disposing of bodies. You can see it in their eyes

This was just a case of one of them being in the city but unable to overcome his natural urge to kill

Has anyone ever seen a happy jogger?

I always used to run with a smile on my face.

I genuinely loved it. Injuries, non-running mostly, forcing me stop pisses me off most days.

This incident has got an awful lot of attention. Do you think it will take away some of the hatred the general public have for cyclists and redirect it at joggers?

I hope so. Before they kill us all. You can barely move for shallow graves out here already. It's like a zombie apocalypse in Lycra

[quote=Stoner said]BBC news website seems all over the place with this story. Initially it said a 41yr old man had been arrested in Chelsea and then held in custody. Now it's a 50yr old man who was held at his home and then released.

I noticed that too. When they originally mentioned a 40yr old I was surprised. The bloke looks my age i.e 50-ish

Disclaimer: I am not a jogger and have never jogged over whatever Londinium bridge said event occurred on.

Not clear from your post - Who is doing the killing? The general public, the joggers or the cyclists? Would like to know before I go out with the dog tonight.

Has anyone ever seen a happy jogger?

One who looks like they're actually enjoying the experience?

Nope. Very similar to roadies in that regard. Always look very serious or angry. Perhaps they should skip rather than jog?

I noticed that too. When they originally mentioned a 40yr old I was surprised. The bloke looks my age i.e 50-ish

Lesser known side effect of jogging. The incident occurred back in May. Three months of jogging can easily age you ten years.

Fell runners. They're all serial killers. More urban joggers may make do with merely maiming people, but they all share the same psychotic DNA

I reckon it's joggers who kick the wing mirrors off cars too. Then they point the finger at hoody scrotes

Let's just face up to the facts. People who go running are inherently evil

Ever seen a jogger give to charity or help an old lady across the road? No, I didn't think so.

Let's just face up to the facts. People who go running are inherently evil

They are the root cause of all the evils in this world. Jimmy Savillle liked jogging, just saying.

I believe Ming the merciless enjoyed running

Hitler? Vegetarian jogger

A jogger told me off for riding some cheek this evening. He had a nice bumbag though. So I smiled and ignored him.

I blame Strava.