I saw this on the BBC site, it looked to me like she tried to trip him but couldnt be sure. Could have had catastrophic consequences.
Was the jogger "making progress"?
Lol blatant victim blaming 😆
This was on the news here in Spain. My first thought was that the jogger was a nutter, but on closer inspection . . . .
Well, that's not as clear cut as the new bad it sound is it? Interesting.
Interesting. Her right foot cetainly comes out towards his legs, but is that not as a reaction to being pushed over. TBH honest the whole incident is mighty odd.
EDIT. He definitely runs in towards her before there is contact. Does he momentarily lose balance while he is running, or is it deliberate
The jogger definitely seems to drift in her direction before that happened. I think the leg is after the push, not before. Odd!
I saw this earlier - her leg only goes out as she's tipped as a balance reaction. I got a bit conspiratorial and wondered if there was an element of Georgy Markov here in that I couldn't see any other reason the jogger could've reacted like he did and it would presumably be relatively easy to tip someone in front of a bus if they walked that route every day.
Watching it in full screen you can see her leg goes out after she is pushed. I'd agree it's very strange and strikes me as a deliberate attempt to injure her.
I'd say the leg movement was after the push.
Where's that jogger's helmet?
Why can't they stick to the jogging paths? They don't even pay road tax you know.
If somebody was running in a way likely to collide with you, you’d raise “defences” against that. Would probably mean knee raising ready for “impact”. That’s about as much as I can see.
TBH if I was going to go around tripping people up, I probably wouldn’t do it in a skirt suit - not exactly the best thing to be wearing for getting away in...
Rachel
Where's that jogger's helmet?
Why can't they stick to the jogging paths? They don't even pay road tax you know.
I've heard they cause more damage to the roads and pavements than cars due to motion of them running and pounding the floor.
She's a double agent and he was sent by Mossad
"Won't someone please consider the children!"
[i]Woman tries to trip jogger and falls in front of a bus[/i]
really, that's what you saw? A woman 'falling'?
*shakes head*
Jogger appears to be the protagonist in that...video shows them running then moving into the direction of travel then the woman goes down. Obviously more to it than that, but jogger being an eejit!
Wondered if she was on her phone or something and he's a militant anti-phonist jogging b*stard
Not sure on this. He could have been trying to go to her right around her and realised he couldn't and bumped into her. Or just wasn't paying attention and stumbled into her, though the change in direction towards her is quite definite. Or he's a complete dick and needs some jail time. Maybe he has a grudge against her.
Better clip here
Watching it in full screen you can see her leg goes out after she is [b]pushed[/b]. I'd agree it's very strange and strikes me as a deliberate attempt to injure her.
That's what it looks like .
I've heard they cause more damage to the roads and pavements than cars due to motion of them running and pounding the floor.
And what about all that CO2 they breathe out eh? Who's taxing that?
If this guy is on strava or something similar shouldn't he be easily identifiable given the time log on the CCTV screen? Looks totally deliberate to me.
If they are both regulars on this route then maybe this is the conclusion of a long period of hostility between the two of them?
I wouldn't like to be on the jury for that one. After the defence counsel plays that back 20 times you've no idea what you're looking at.
I think one of them even looks a bit foreign
I think he's offering her a yoghurt, but it's one of those Onken wholegrain jobbies and she doesn't like the grainy ones so takes offence and tries to show him the message written on her foot which says "no grainy yoghurts please" but it's too late and she slips on a dog egg as he swings for her for dissing his fave yogs blud.
[quote=spekkie ]If they are both regulars on this route then maybe this is the conclusion of a long period of hostility between the two of them?
According to the BBC site, the jogger cam back in the other direction 15 minutes later...
Officers said the jogger ran the other way across the bridge around 15 minutes later and the victim attempted to speak to him, but "he did not acknowledge her".
This argument is just going to run and run...
Jogger is a ****. Complete and utter.
She is only slightly further to the right on the pavement than the guy before her so it is not like she is trying to walk in the joggers way - replaying the second clip section it looks definitely to be a push from him.
If it was a mistake he would surely have stopped to apologise, and he ignored her when she tried to confront him on the other side of the road when he was coming back, apparently.
I think it is pretty obvious the bloke is just a d1ck as the pavement was so wide it was an easy task to miss her. If he had previously met her then maybe there is a case for a pretty serious charge?
I think he is going to have to change his route, color his hair and get some new running kit...
Woman tries to trip jogger
Jog on pal...
I think it is pretty obvious the bloke is just a d1ck as the pavement was so wide it was an easy task to miss her. If he had previously met her then maybe there is a case for a pretty serious charge?
Right. But what do you think has happened here? What looks like a perfectly normal bloke running along a wide pavement just decides to push over some random woman passing in the other direction & then runs on, apparently without a second glance 😕
The BBC also indicated that she tried to speak to him after as he passed back the other way and he ignored her. I suspect that this is not the whole story here.
maybe she shouted something at him as he approached and that's what made him turn towards her. As he turns she then sticks her leg out trying to trip him up, but trips herself up over the kerb.
Bus Driver was a bit of hero..He was pretty on the ball to get that swerve in.
Seemingly normal jogger running along footpath, pushes women under bus, carries ony without looking behind and later on jogs back as if nothing happened and ingore woman.
It appears the only rational explanation is that the jogger was temporarily possessed by a demonic spirit.
They don't even pay road tax you know.
About 6 weeks ago as I run long Embankment, close to the above incident, I was given a punishment pass ..... by a cyclist 😯
case closed? 😆
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I would say the two have previous and he absolutely did that deliberately. No question, and I'd happily sit on a jury and make a clear decision.
Looks like he just kind of drifts over the road daydreaming and she just bounces of his shoulder, does't really look like a shove or anything to me. In a micro second he decides to keep jogging on instead of dealing with the situation which is pathetic and cowardly.
Looks like he just kind of drifts over the road daydreaming and she just bounces of his shoulder, does't really look like a shove or anything to me. In a micro second he decides to keep jogging on instead of dealing with the situation which is pathetic and cowardly.
Then 15 minutes later runs past her again?
It does look as though the jogger gestures towards her as they get closer then moves towards her. I'm betting they know each other.
I've played it back really slowly and I reckon she raises the foot before the push, but that she already knew the push was coming
As he turns she then sticks her leg out trying to trip him up, but trips herself up over the kerb.
It's not a kerb - it's a shadow. She's on her arse with her head in the road before she's touching the kerb. She didn't trip over anything.
Then 15 minutes later runs past her again?
God knows, he maybe did not think she would still be there and she was so close to being ran over from the incident.
It's all a bit weird, if the bus was stopped and they knew he was passing by and there was a bit of a crowd you would think someone would be after him to get some answers.
Very strange. Perhaps he was on a Strava segment 😉
Someone could have citizens-arrested him on his return leg . . .
If she tried to talk to him on his way back past and he refused it seems likely that she didn't know him I guess?
That would suggest he had something against her purely on first impressions. Then I can think of nothing else but extreme sexism...
Maybe Isis have run out of people who can drive.
[quote=legometeorology ]If she tried to talk to him on his way back past and he refused it seems likely that she didn't know him I guess?
That would suggest he had something against her purely on first impressions. Then I can think of nothing else but extreme sexism...
Or an ex he wants nothing to do with
Looks like he just kind of drifts over the road daydreaming and she just bounces of his shoulder, does't really look like a shove or anything to me.
I've looked it some more and it looks like, about 3 or 4 paving slabs before he gets to her, that he changes direction and heads towards her, then up comes his arms into a push and over she goes - his left arm comes up which makes it look like a deliberate push and her leg only comes up due to the fall.
Hmmm, very odd. Would like to hear the whole story here. It definitely looks like she was pushed with no attempt to trip the jogger.
I've looked it some more and it looks like, about 3 or 4 paving slabs before he gets to her, that he changes direction and heads towards her, then up comes his arms into a push and over she goes - his left arm comes up which makes it look like a deliberate push and her leg only comes up due to the fall.
Gonna have to just see what the fall out is if he is recognised.
The more I look at that video the more she seems to roundhouse kick him, he looks more like Richard Ashcroft and I start going crazier.
She didn't half make a meal out of that - barely touched her.
The more I look at that video the more she seems to roundhouse kick him
She didn't half make a meal out of that - barely touched her.
I assume that you guys must be watching on your phone, on a 27inch 2K monitor her reaction is entirely appropriate to the push he gave her and her foot only came up as she rotated around after the push. I keep reviewing it but that's all I can see.
Just listening to R4, and saying this happened beginning of May.
Imagine the guy has shaved his head and grown a beard by now.
She probably bummed his rabbit.
Maybe they'd had their first date the previous night and she'd refused to go dutch on the bill. Probably Plenty Of Fish as there's loads of weirdos on there...
That would suggest he had something against her purely on first impressions. Then I can think of nothing else but extreme sexism...
Seems a bit of a leap.
Here are some other hypothetical suggestions that [i]don't[/i] involve extreme sexism:
She was drunk/high/threatening/abusive/armed.
She was known to the jogger and had attacked him before.
Jogger was in a world of his own, just didn't see her and then ran off like a coward.
Jogger is just an arsehole.
I was pushed off the bike by a jogger coming the other way on the Bath Bristol Cycle Path. Jogger on one side, slow moving bike on the other, I went to overtake the slow moving bike. There's space a plenty to do this and he stepped toward me and pushed me off the bike without seeming to brake stride. Couldn't persue as it bent my mech and snapped my mudguard. I still have damage to my hip thanks to that Tosser.
I've looked it some more and it looks like, about 3 or 4 paving slabs before he gets to her, that he changes direction and heads towards her, then up comes his arms into a push and over she goes - his left arm comes up which makes it look like a deliberate push and her leg only comes up due to the fall.
This. I've watched it several times, and it's perfectly clear the bloke is running to the left side of the path, towards the woman who's walking towards him; as he comes up towards her he moves slightly to his right, raises his right arm to horizontal and hits her hard with his elbow, and also pushes her with his left hand, knocking her off-balance sideways over the raised kerb/divider into the path of the bus, and it's only the quick reaction of the driver that avoided her head going under the front wheel.
I can't possibly see how anyone could think this was accidental, or that she tripped him in any way, he clearly, deliberately moved to his right to make contact with the woman, who's carrying a bag over her right shoulder and holding the strap, with her free left hand swinging at her side.
I can only imagine that the jogger has a spectacularly over-developed sense of entitlement and resents the woman having the audacity to walk in [i]his[/i] space, instead of using the raised divider like the pedestrian who the jogger passes just before without incident.
The man is clearly a complete dick, and a bloody menace.
I wouldn't like to be on the jury for that one. After the defence counsel plays that back 20 times you've no idea what you're looking at.
I can't tell after one time let alone 20. The only thing on that video that's clear is that nothing is clear.
Why was the girl walking not on a lead and/or under close control? Surely the jogger had no other option than to kick out in self defense in anticipation of a savage attack? What other possible option did he have? He isn't scared of girls, he just wanted to jog in peace. Anyone that disagrees with the above clearly has no empathy.
Why was the girl walking not on a lead and/or under close control? Surely the jogger had no other option than to kick out in self defense in anticipation of a savage attack? What other possible option did he have? He isn't scared of girls, he just wanted to jog in peace. Anyone that disagrees with the above clearly has no empathy.
Sweet Jesus. Let it go.
PS I don't see any clear evidence of the girl attempting to trip the jogger. Rather strange behaviour of both parties suggests the possibility that: 1)the jogger was an arse; and/or 2) the jogger didn't see her coming/taken by surprise; and/or 3) the girl was not looking where she was going; and/or 4) some previous 'trouble' between the two* that meant they were determined not to get out of each others way.
* or just the not unlikely possibility that two stubborn buggers in London who didn't know each other felt entitled to the same space and were not going to budge!
The cold never bothered me anyway
Raised divider? That's the shadow from the wall isn't it?
I always carry a supply of banana skins solely for dealing with rogue joggers. Either walk or run you fools, I'll have none of this halfway house bullshit.
All joking aside that's a dick move of epic proportions. If it wasn't for the bus drivers reflexes it could have been death by jogger. That's at least a 90/100 on the shameful ways to be taken out o-meter
How on earth do you lot magic that up? He runs towards her, clobbers her into the road purposefully, she falls in front of the bus, he swerves, assaulter ****s off.
It's plain to see
The first time I watched the clip at full speed, it looked liked she tries to trip the jogger, so he moves towards her to evade the tripping hazard.
Now I'm not sure what the heck happened, very odd incident, especially if she was still around 15mins later to try and talk to jogger returning over the bridge!
He could have moved right by 12" for any number of reasons. It's London so they probably both have headphones on and in head down mode. No matter how it happened, not even pausing to check she's ok is outrageous!
Bus Driver was a bit of hero..He was pretty on the ball to get that swerve in.
Definitely. Bloody quick reactions there.
Agreed! Thankfully he had the space.
Standard London jogger to me. Barging past people cos, like, he's only got 30mins between meetings for a run.
Probably didn't even think he'd dumped her in front of a bus. 15 mins later he's still 'in the zone' and jogs back to work and some mad woman starts shouting at him so just runs past (typical Road rage attitude when you ever catch up with them).
Will probably be cr*pping himself now that it's all over TV. Either lay low or a solicitors statement tmrw after handing himself in to cop shop. Might have plenty of time to go jogging if company he works for works out its him and sack him.
Idiot.
That line on the pavement - ITS A SHADOW!!!
Not a kerb or a raised divider.
S H A D O W
That line on the pavement - ITS A SHADOW!!!Not a kerb or a raised divider.
S H A D O W
Looking again at that bit, instead of concentrating on the jogger, yes you're right, it's just that London does have raised dividers to separate cyclists from other traffic in an increasing number of locations, and that's exactly what that looked like.
Doesn't alter the fact that the jogger clearly makes a dick move and deliberately and with malice aforethought raises his arms and pushes the woman out of the way, moving closer to her in order to do so.
Tosser.
Looked like roleplay to me. Bit of flirting perhaps? The missus and I regularly participate in 'Friday night rough and tumble' - this week it's supposed to be prison warden vs lag, but I might dig my Lycra and her pencil skirt out...
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...the jogger clearly makes a dick move and deliberately and with malice aforethought raises his arms and pushes the woman out of the way...
I agree that there's no indication of her attempting to trip the jogger; her leg flying out appears to be purely a reaction to being spun round as she is pushed. It looks very clear that the jogger changes course at the last second and pushes her. I'd go so far as to say that at first glance it seems like he did it deliberately.
But, I'm not sure I could say so beyond reasonable doubt. He could have rolled an ankle or otherwise lost balance, and fallen into her. You could reasonably expect him to raise his arms instinctively in that situation, and it could in hindsight look like he was raising his arms to push her. He may not have realised how heavily he hit her, and without looking back over his shoulder possibly wouldn't know that she had fallen. Still a huge cockwomble for not stopping to apologise, check to see if she's ok etc., but some people are like that.
I still think it looks deliberate, on balance, but I think there's room for some reasonable doubt there. The fact that he came back the same way 15 minutes later would appear to indicate that he wasn't aware of having done anything wrong. Or he could just be thick. Or maybe he's a wanna-be serial killer (who clearly failed on this attempt) coming back to bask in the scene of his crime.
Seems a bit of a leap.Here are some other hypothetical suggestions that don't involve extreme sexism:
She was drunk/high/threatening/abusive/armed.
She was known to the jogger and had attacked him before.
Jogger was in a world of his own, just didn't see her and then ran off like a coward.
Jogger is just an arsehole.
OK, I should say I was only following one line of reasoning there (that is was deliberate and she didn't know him). I'm aware other possibilities are reasonable.
I've watched that video on a large screen many times, and my feelings are:
(1) It looks likely to be a deliberate move by the jogger to floor her (he swerves quite abruptly; from his head movements he doesn't seem distracted; and given that his trajectory is barely effected by the collision I would guess he was prepared for it)
(2) She certainly doesn't seem to make any obvious physical provocation, although she could have said something of course. She just looks to be busily on her way to work in the middle of the day
(3) If she reported to the media that she tried to talk to him as he passed again and was ignored, either she didn't know him, or she held that info back, or the media thought it irrelevant to ask or report on that point. The last is pretty much impossible, the second unlikely.
So I'd guess it's most likely that he barged through her as he didn't like the look of her (why I suggested sexism), next likely, it was an accident and he is just an massive arse, or less likely, she's holding something back from the media