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@ernie how do you get from what I posted to your conclusion ? Both Mugabe and the ANC roll out the same arguments on this point. Whether the ANC and South Africa drfit more towards the sad debacle that exists in Zimbabwe we'll have to wait and see.
Just on EU fraud and turning a bkjnd eye - EVERYONE in any position of influene in financd or government knew exactly what was going on with Greece in terms of their huge borrowing and misrepresentation of that borrowing. They just chose to do nothing about it
Should not blame the EU because the countries are corrupt IMHO
Of course you can. The eu shouldn't allow corruption.
Mugbe still rolls out the White Opression argument very effectively, [b]the ANC will do so for many more years[/b] as well as enriching its senior members even further.
[citation needed]
So if this is the right side what are their left policies?
@mike - you posted the survey link to the re-nationalisation of the railways. We all need to be very careful, IMO, of falling into the trap of assuming UKIP is a party of the extreme right. I haven't read back as to the source of the quote you placed below but it's typical of the forlorn attempts to portray UKIP as "right wing nutters"
@kona - citation, err its what I posted on the Internet. An opinion. FWIW it's one formed after speaking to family members who either still live in SA or have left and numerous colleagues, all of whom have left.
...it's typical of the forlorn attempts to portray UKIP as "right wing nutters"
There's nothing "forlorn" about describing UKIP as right-wing, that's exactly what they are. And if you can't see it then it's hardly surprising that you also equate Mugabe with the ANC.
Your muddleness, confusion, or straightforward denial, is at least consistent.
We all need to be very careful, IMO, of falling into the trap of assuming UKIP is a party of the extreme right.
In that case would you care to post some of their other policies? They seem to want to keep most of them secret or just change them to get something. People need to be very careful when voting for someone like UKIP that they actually know what they are voting for. Unless of course they have had a massive change in priorities and their major donors (mainly from the disgruntled tories are going soft end of things) have decided they want something different.
mikewsmith - Member
People need to be very careful when voting for someone like UKIP that they actually know what they are voting for.
There are only 3.5 persons going to them on STW so not really a massive impact are they?
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People need to be very careful when voting for someone like UKIP that they actually know what they are voting for.
Oh, come on - it's not like they're Holocaust deniers or something:
I did actually check their website/manifesto in case I was missing something that jambalaya was seeing but in summary it was
Immigrants are bad
It's the EU's fault
Immigrants are causing problems
Nasty foreigners are taking all our jobs (especially in advertising posters and leaflet distribution)
Taxes are too high
EU makes taxes to high
Immigrants are causing the EU
Life would be better if we could go back to being [s]English[/s]British
Then a general coating of casual Racism about how it's OK to call all Romanians criminals cause they are OK!
so in some ways as people from the left and the right of politics are racist there does seem to be something in there for your casual racist regardless of political affiliation.
UKIP was formed by, and now consists of [s]foaming-at-the-mouth lunatics[/s] people for whom the present Tory party just weren't/aren't Tory enough.
If you think a person who regards the present Tory mob as too namby-pamby, liberal and centrist should get a sniff of the power to make policy, then you're completely unhinged!!!
Then a general coating of casual Racism about how it's OK to call all Romanians criminals cause they are OK!
Is it racist to say it if its true?
https://fullfact.org/factchecks/romanian_criminals_UK_Britain-28799
Regardless - Bloody Foreigner, coming over here, wanting to know what love is!
Is it racist to say it if its true?
The link says the facts are not that clear and they are waiting to clarify a couple. Doesn't say that being of a certain nationality makes you a criminal anywhere.
@ernie - let's agree to disagree. I am pretty close to South African politics and I know plenty of liberal Africans who make the same comparison between the ANC and Mugabe, the personal wealth that the senior members of the ANC have accumulated in the last 20 years is staggering.
@mike - You asked for an example and I posted one from your own chart. UKIP is about protecting UK employment via legislation, a very left wing ideology. Their only policies which matter are on immigration and leaving the EU, that's where they are getting their votes and IMO people don't actually care right now if they have any other policies. As I said they are taking lots of votes from all the parties including the left. You can't get to 30% in the polls otherwise.
As an aside I saw a research study which showed the dissatisfaction with the EU we are seeing in the UK is mirrored in France, Spain, Italy and Germany.
If we believe the polls (and I appreciate that may not be reflected in votes) we would have to assume that 30% of STWers will be supporters of UKIP.
Unless the political establishment of Labour and the Tories gets its act together UKIP is going to build a lot of momentum at the EU elections and be a real factor come the general election. Their current strategy clearly isn't working.
ernie_lynch - Member
Oh so now there's no difference between Mugabe and the ANC ? ffs
Quite. How many ANC members have you seen sporting a moustache that looks like a dead caterpillar? Eh?
Unless the political establishment of Labour and the Tories gets its act together UKIP is going to build a lot of momentum at the EU elections and be a real factor come the general election. Their current strategy clearly isn't working.
Both political parties are facing up to the reality of their unpopularity. So how are they reacting to this? By listening to people, and adjusting their policies accordingly? Of course not! Labour and the Tories are now aiming for the same thing. To try and get their core vote out enough, so that they can limp over the finish line with 35% of the vote. Thats the sum amount of our political masters ambition nowadays. No vision. No ideology. No appeal to the electorate on social justice. **** all! They just hope that by being not quite as hideously awful as the other lot, they'll win by default, on a record-breakingly low percentage of a record-breakingly low turnout
Its hardly bloody surprising that Farage is doings well, and Alex Salmond north of the border, when faced with this sort of cynicism
@mike - You asked for an example and I posted one from your own chart. UKIP is about protecting UK employment via legislation, a very left wing ideology.
The chart is the opinions of their voters not their actual policy.
They don't really want to protect UK based workers they would just prefer their slaves spoke english.
@ernie - let's agree to disagree. I am pretty close to South African politics and I know plenty of liberal Africans who make the same comparison between the ANC and Mugabe, the personal wealth that the senior members of the ANC have accumulated in the last 20 years is staggering.
So you know many people who share the same opinion as yourself ? Well I don't know how I can refute that - so it must mean that you are right in what you say.
Do you also know many people who share your opinion that UKIP are [i]" very left wing"[/i] ?
That's [i]"very left wing"[/i] despite the fact that all UKIP's policies in their 2010 manifesto were right wing, and their leader, who appears to make up policies on the hoof during interviews, proudly proclaims to be a huge supporter of Thatcherism.
Oh hang on a minute, you're going to tell me that Margret Thatcher wasn't really right wing and in fact was [i]"very left wing"[/i], are you ?
There was "a forlorn attempt to portray" Thatcher as right wing eh ? By presumably left wingers ?