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The full quote had him saying that if the whole community did this, then when someone was killed we could turn round and ask just what the chuf else we can do etc. Which to my mind is a valid point. But woefully unrealistic, what about knees out seat down scally who zig zag their way about the place, they aren't part of the community in the first place.
I'm also disappointed in him for reinforcing the earphone perception as well. Does his team radio stop him hearing things going on about him (i know race events have closed roads but I bet they use it in practice too).
If I don't hear a car it's because of the wind in my ears, and even that doesn't happen very often. FWIW I don't hear much of my music as I don't have very loud, I get the best out of it when off road and going slower.
I always wear a helmet, It doesn't save my life, not riding like a dick does that. But its a good bit of protection that has in the past had me land on my head, and just get up and carry on with my day.
But fair enough, BW has his point of view and he won't change what he says just because everyone loves him now. But I would have liked to have heard stronger words against certain driving mentalities from someone in his position.
Someone point a mic at Froome lets see what he says...
EDIT: sorry you've covered that now, it took a while to type that, other stuff going on...
Sorry but good on him!
How difficult can it be......????
1. Buy correct fitting helmet.
2. Put on head.
3. Ride.
Why make such a big deal out of 'not wearing a helmet'....not all accidents are big and spectacular.... I rode with someone 3 years ago....
They pulled up at a quiet junction, lost balance, tipped over sideways in to a hedge, broke a finger and banged their head on a sign post...
How hard can it be to put a helmet................REALLY?
But basically, it can't be PROVEN that cycle helmets save lives
Same could be said about motorcycle helmets, would you ride without one?
It's funny how it is perceived you have to ride a motorcycle wearing more armour than a knight for a joust, but cycling is just fine wearing a team jersey.
Excellent.
Another helmet fight.
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Only on STW !!! 😉
More Peds killed by cars than cyclists but no-one advocates helmets/lights/highviz/headphones for them.
Numbers fail!!!
How hard can it be to put a helmet................REALLY?
Well considering the ego of some people on here, it's your point number 1 that is very difficult.
How hard can it be to put a helmet................REALLY
How hard can it be to drive considerately ....... REALLY
which is all well an good - but what I'd a pedestrian steps out, you swerve, hit a kerb and smash your head open. Or you hit some ice, skid an load balance and hit a wall. Or have a component failure and come crashing of the bike. All the good driving in the world isn't going to help you there. Ok, definitely some responsibility needs to go to drivers and standards need to be improved - but there HAS to e some responsibility by the rider as well!How hard can it be to drive considerately ....... REALLY
Can we please just stop debating helmets,
sometimes they help, sometimes they don't.
enforce helmets and watch cycling drop.
FFS the police can't even stop motorists usign mobile phones, applying makeup, speeding, dangerous parking/driving, RLJ by cars and bikes, etc etc. does anyone think any compulsary helmet law is going to be enforceable?
So what do you want? more cyclists or more drivers?
Educate drivers, educate cyclists, but don't assume a bit of polystyrene is some kind of panacea.
I'd say wear a helmet as it seems on the balance of probabilities a sensible thing to do but it is not a solution to the situation on our roads.
Deaths on the road will not be stopped if everyone wears a helmet they will stop when people stop hitting bikes with vehicles, helmet or not.
I'm really hoping that Wiggins get invovled in some road safety campaigns and that his historic winning streak can make the roads safer for all of his and the guy who will come along and break his records...
Quite!They don't ask the rowers and swimmers what they think about the latest child drowned at the beach, they don't ask F1 drivers about accidents on the A9 at post race interviews.
Does anyone actually know that the cyclist wasn't wearing a helmet? I haven't seen anything in the reports one way or the other.
When motor cars were first introduced speed limits were deemed to be unnecessary as motorists could be trusted to drive at a safe speed.
Wiggins is right, helmets should be compulsory on public roads.
All these pictures of Wiggins are of him riding on a closed road.
Rubbish
"[i]The 1865 act required all road locomotives, which included automobiles, to travel at a maximum of 4 mph (6 km/h) in the country and 2 mph (3 km/h) in towns and have a crew of three travel, one of whom should carry a red flag walking 60 yards (55 m) ahead of each vehicle. The 1896 Act removed the need for the crew of three and raised the speed to 14 mph (23 km/h).[/i]"
It's pretty irresponsible to go around saying that helmets are going to do you any good in a collision. Just gives drivers the idea that it's OK to take more risks with cyclists lives.
Me not wearing a helmet doesn't affect your safety. You going around telling drivers that a helmet might make the slightest bit of difference in a collision affects my safety. Stop doing it please.
Let people have a choice of wearing an helmet or not. They will still have accidents regardless of the helmet or not. Some will die due to head injuries whilst overs live, those that go under the wheels of a truck will most likely be crushed to death with or without an helmet. When it all goes to court those that wore Hi-Vis jackets and helmets to try and ensure they couldn't be missed on the road and provide themselves with some form of proection in the event of an accident will be able to prove the driver at fault easier and claim (their family) damages. Those that had freedom not to wear one may have it ruled as an accidental death.
I wear an helmet, I did on my motorbike too and motorcyclists agrued about compulasory helmets too and no one see that as a stupid idea now.
Threads like this make we want to kill myself. Will a helmet save my life in that situation?
I’m not going to comment on what Wiggins said, because I haven’t heard the full quote, only the clip about helmets. But quite frankly I think it’s pretty bad that he was ambushed with such a serious topic when he was probably just expecting to talk about his Olympic performance, and in pretty bad taste that one quote has been parroted about by the media in connection with SOMEONE WHO DIED, especially when a driver has been arrested for dangerous driving, and especially as it’s rumoured that the poor sod suffered crush injuries to his body.
I always wear a helmet, and I wouldn’t be upset if they were made mandatory, but I think the bigger issue to address is how to stop drivers treating cyclists as an annoying hazard (when they even acknowledge them at all) and start treating them as other road users and, well, [i]people[/i].
lived in holland for 6 months with a bike last year
the roads are not safer - drivers are just as impatient
lived in holland for 4 years with a bike.
the ones I'd call impatient (and often also complete loonies) were the bromfiets (moped) riders. full wide-open throttle, riding totally blinkered, as if invincible because the law was on their side.
only driver impatience I saw was when lights start to turn red, drivers put foot down to sneak through. this is probably why NL has way more RLJ cameras than even UK, and a speed hump at a significant portion of traffic lights.
but it is very very very rare you need to use a road.
this is true, and at every point where cyclists on cycling infrastructure come into contact with motorised traffic, the cyclists (and bromfiets with the smaller lower-power engines) have complete priority, and the drivers stop.
Asked for his views on cycling safety in the capital, Bradley Wiggins said:"I haven't lived in London for 10 to 15 years now and it's got a lot busier since I was riding a bike as a kid round here, and I got knocked off several times.
"But I think things are improving to a degree: there are organisations out there who are attempting to make the roads safer for both parties.
"But at the end of the day we've all got to co-exist on the roads. Cyclists are not ever going to go away, as much as drivers moan, and as much as cyclists maybe moan about certain drivers they are never going to go away, so there's got to be a bit of give and take."
Four teenagers drowned last week, is anyone going to ask Rebecca Adlington to wear a life jacket?
Just in case CallMeDave or Bo-Jo pick up on this and run with it, anybody know how to avoid "helmet hair"?
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Easy, don't wear a helmet. Or be bald, like most of us, we can't all be TJ! 😥
[i]Four teenagers drowned last week, is anyone going to ask Rebecca Adlington to wear a life jacket? [/i]
eh ? Bradley wears a helmet when he races 😕
Just in case CallMeDave or Bo-Jo pick up on this and run with it, anybody know how to avoid "helmet hair"?
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Pretty disappointing Wiggo.
Really? The bloke is a competitive cyclist, not the Minister for health and safety. He races push bikes and is pretty good at it going off recent results. I don't much care about his views about wearing a helmet, nor what his favourite cereal is or whether he listens to the Archers or not. If you can't make your own decision up about wearing a helmet without guidance from some bloke you don't know and you've never met, then you need to have a word with yourself.
This hero worshipping is pathetic. 2009 when he took fourth, would anyone have really cared what his views were on road safety? Seriously, a brilliant result and I'm thoroughly pleased for him. But I don't care if he wins sports personality of the year, gets a Knighthood or what his views are on something that I can make my own mind up on.
As for the helmet debate, no - I don't think they should be compulsory. Only because I don't want a nanny state telling me what I should and shouldn't do. I always wear my helmet and I'd insist that my children (if I had any) would also wear one. I don't need fining or getting nasty letters or whatever because I've made the decision to not wear a helmet and consequently suffered an injury that might have been prevented.
Airbags, anyone?
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Already got a number 1. Still get "HH" with a helmet...
Well Wiggo, you blew it! There you were at the pinnacle of your career, people may have taken notice of what you say, yet when it came to the moment all you did was reinforce the popular prejudices against cyclists and give the Clarksons of the world yet more ammo to shoot at us. If this is what we can expect from our 'ambassador' then I hope you get an @rse full of saddle sores and your races are plagued with punctures.
If you really think that helmet is going to be any effin' use against crush injuries from a forty ton truck then I invite you offer yourself as a practical test subject.
Not so much the "HH" but the annoying pink forehead stripe from the padding. The more important the task that you need to do immediately after, the pinker and more obvious the stripe is, and the longer takes to fade. And why does that padding soak up so much sweat anyway?
Couldn't give a toss whether his opinions are "right" in my view or anyone else's (let's face it, there haven't been enough studies done to conclusively prove anything either way, hence the endless circular arguments here and elsewhere).
What I am ecstatically pleased about is that he's said something on the subject and with his current high profile, it's putting the whole issue of cyclists safety on the road, helmets, high viz, ipods et al on the front pages and on the radio phone-ins, tv news etc. This can only be a good thing.
Might end up like a Belgian roadie with a peaked hat underneath. The Horror, The Horror...
Me not wearing a helmet doesn't affect your safety.
Nope however it does affect me because I have to pay for your injuries. It's call be responsible. Sometimes it sucks I concur, but the other alternative is called anarchy.
For what it's worth I got side swiped by a car 6 years ago. My head hit the ground, my helmet cracked in half, if I had not of been wearing one, I'd probably be dead now.
Cyclists should be made to wear helmets, the same as motorists should be made to wear seatbelts. If you don't wear one your a fool.
Of course they won't stop you being crushed by a truck, but there's loads of accidents on bikes where the person gets injured by means other than getting crushed by a bus
I have to pay for your injuries when a driver isn't sure if he can overtake you safely, sees that you're wearing a helmet, decides it's just safe enough, and then leaves bits of you all over the road.
EDIT: And why wouldn't he think it makes his dodgy overtaking manoeuvre safer? Cyclists are always telling him that anyone who doesn't wear a helmet is an idiot.
Really... Reeeallly???
This place is going to the shit.
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For what it's worth I got side swiped by a car 6 years ago. My head hit the ground, my helmet cracked in half, if I had not of been wearing one, I'd probably be dead now.Cyclists should be made to wear helmets, the same as motorists should be made to wear seatbelts. If you don't wear one your a fool.
perfect example of someone not having looked into this debate AT ALL.
More Peds killed by cars than cyclists but no-one advocates helmets/lights/highviz/headphones for them.
More Ducks are killed by shotguns than soldiers.
Does that mean we should talk about body armour for ducks.
Okay, I'll not just be flippant this morning. Baron von Wiggo (if Tanni Grey can, why not Wiggo) was ambushed and will have to get used to the idea that he is this year's go to guy for a cycling quote. We should be demanding separation, either by drivers giving more space and waiting until safe to pass, or by proper physical barriers between cyclists and others. The dutch did it by demanding it and forcing change politically. I love to ride on the road, but I do it much less than I might. Every time I ride there will be more than one occasion when someone gets so close, so fast that if either me or the driver had had the most minor twitch, I'd be sent flying. It's shit, and I'm sick of it. Don't come back at me with the ride defensive, stuff, I do that, I tell others to do that(bikeability instructor), lots of the time it isn't enough.
Lets hope it leads to quantitative research, rather than a law based on anecdotes and celebrity.
Any time politicians spend looking at helmet laws is time not spent looking at more pedestrian & cyclist friendly road design and liability laws.
In my mind, this is the biggest reason against compulsion.
I too am in the postion of having either survived a potentially fatal incident or limited my potential injuries by wearing a helmet. But I still believe that it should be the choice of the individual to decide if they should wear or not.
My father, 76 years old and with an impressive civic record, rides half a mile along quiet country roads to visit his neighbours, and participate in his community activites. Why should he risk criminalisation for not wearing a helmet? Given the choice of riding with helmet compulsion or driving, he'll drive.
STFU Wiggo!
It might have saved you from injury or lessened any injury you sustained, but it didn't save your life. If a truck is gonna kill you, a bit of polystyrene isn't going to stop it.
That is just silly. It is a bit like saying 'it's pointless wearing a seat belt in a car because if an 18-wheeler travelling at 60mph t-bones you as you pull out of a junction you aren't going to survive anyway'. At the end of the day, any safety feature is going to save lives so even a 0.000001% increase in survival rates is surely a good thing yes? Just one child surviving a silly fall or adult surviving a crash with a vehicle because of their 'bit of polystyrene' is worth it.
IMO
Cyclists should be made to wear helmets,
No, cyclists [i]should[/i] wear helmets. No one should really be made to do anything. If wearing helmets on a motorbike wasn't a legal requirement I'd still wear one. If wearing a seatbelt in a car wasn't a legal requirement, I'd still wear one of those too. But its my choice.
I have to pay for your injuries when a driver isn't sure if he can overtake you safely, sees that you're wearing a helmet, decides it's just safe enough, and then leaves bits of you all over the road.
Are you on crack? You're suggesting a motorist is more likely to knock you off if you have a helmet because you're safer? Jesus wept....
If you really think that helmet is going to be any effin' use against crush injuries from a forty ton truck then I invite you offer yourself as a practical test subject.
No, I REALLY think a helmet will help when I fall off my bike and hit my head on the ground. Similarly, a bullet proof vest will be useful if I'm being shot at and a bullet hits me in the chest. not so good if its a head shot. Have. A. Word. With. Yourself....