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However What you have said was kind of implied in what I was saying
Yeah, it was mostly my rant in there. Just sick of people looking for excuses to absolve them of responsibility. Time to retire the State Nannies and get people to look after themselves.
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[i]Yeah, it was mostly my rant in there. Just sick of people looking for excuses to absolve them of responsibility. [b]Time to retire the State Nannies and get people to look after themselves.[/b][/i]
I'm glad you two worked that out.
I would just add to Mike's comments, in bold, that we might also try to omitt the bad info generated by those who seek to gain by distorting certain facts.
To serve big business, share holders, etc.
In the worst context of the obesity epidemic.
People have met an early and unecessary demise, for having the wrong information given to them.
Which imo, is truely pityful.
The article in the OP effectively, for me, tracked how we have arrived at where we are now, wrt to being in the middle of a full blown epidemic.
It hasn't happened by accident.
Grum;
Dear god man!
Wha?
mikewsmith; how old are you if you don't mind me asking?
What I don´t understand is why the hell don´t kids learn how to cook as part of their education at school. And I don´t mean an optional 1 hour a week home economics class.
They did when I was at school, well the girls did, along with learning how to wash and iron etc.
The boys did woodwork and metalwork instead
You see, it's all this modern equality nonsense that's causing the problem 😀
Oh, and for dinner tonight, my good lady is making mince and dumplings and veg with Eve's pudding and custard for afters
I believe that will satisfy the 'would grandparents recognise it as food' criteria, as well as tasting damn fine
Wrecker I'm 33.
Think having grown up on a farm and worked out how food works fairly early on in life.
Think having grown up on a farm and worked out how food works fairly early on in life.
No offence, but your diet doesn't look that healthy to me. I reckon it'll catch up with you.
The food industry exists for the profits that can be made from processing SHIPLOADS (not just truckloads) of industrial commodities like sugar, fat, flour, water and salt into edible food. If people knew the unit cost of those commodities in their food and the profits being made by food manufacturers they would be shocked. The profits are inflated even further if you go and eat that food in a pub or restaurant.
You're probably better off eating Indian food - at least that is mostly cooked from proper ingredients. The biggest problem is the high amount of ghee used.
A lack of personal responsibility is the biggest threat to life rather than anything else.
Out of interest, and this is a genuine question, do you think there has been a fundamental change in human character over the last half of the 20th century and into the 21st century?
If so, what do you think has caused it?
If not, why do you think people are getting fatter?
Learing to cook.
In my case, I didn't find it difficult to follow written instruction, such as I found it in a cook book.
I haven't looked back since.
From a time long before the web and all the vids that are out there now.
Not to mention recipes such as the one OurManintheNorth posted yesterday.
But its taken a very long time for the meassage about sugar and insulin, to reach me.
That only happened a few years ago.
So before then, I feel that I was just as misinformed as a lot of other people appear to be.
I was focused on low fat and didn't pay any attention to the refined carbs within some foods.
In my case though, better late than never, is fine by me.
🙂
MikewSmith has a good point, I don't think theres really too many good excuses for people not to prepare their own food, starting with basic ingredients.
If anything, it makes going to a restaurant or buying a takeaway, even more enjoyable as its not a regular thing and just once in a while, someone else gets to cook and wash-up.
Life expectancy is soaring, if we convince everyone to eat reasonably, we'll never cope or afford their pensions, so just back off everyone 😆
where are all these fatties..?
I'm just not seeing them...
I'm seeing a lot of middle aged financially comfortable men whingeing about being fat (shock horror).. and I'm seeing the sensationalist press talking about it.. but out there in the real world..?
Where are all these obese people..?
Where are all these obese people..?
Probably watching Jeremy kyle and munching Doritos
Where are all these obese people..?
there you go..........
.......to the land where batter counts as a vegetable 😆
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[i]Out of interest, and this is a genuine question, do you think there has been a fundamental change in human character over the last half of the 20th century and into the 21st century?
If so, what do you think has caused it?
If not, why do you think people are getting fatter? [/i]
As for change in character, I'd offer for consideration, not so much a change in charactder, but more a change in lifestyle.
Things that were suppose to aid us, give us more time, make life easier.
Seem to have just enabled us to work longer and harder to the point where people no longer think they might have the time to prepare food for themselves.
People are getting fatter for a combination of reasons.
Related to the advise they are given.
They're lifestyle.
Imo.
[i]..to the land where batter counts as a vegetable[/i]
😆
I shouldn't laugh, but that is funny.
wrecker - Member
Think having grown up on a farm and worked out how food works fairly early on in life.No offence, but your diet doesn't look that healthy to me. I reckon it'll catch up with you.
Glad you think so. Doing Ok so far and happy that I know what is in my food. More than can be said for most.
If things catch up with me I will modify it as I go. It is currently winter here hence more of the warm food than the salads.
I will also not try and blame anyone but myself if I pile on a few more pounds
Where are all these obese people..?
I was in the public swimming pool in Stockton last weekend. Based on the sights I saw there, the percentage of people in this country who are obese is massively [u]under[/u]-reported.
Scarily, these are people who [i]are[/i] doing some exercise.
[i]where are all these fatties..?[/i]
Are you kidding? Go and sit in any town centre midweek, and watch them!!
every doctors is full of them, every shop is full of them.
In america there have been reported cases of bears and racoons with diabetes due to them eating junk food out of dustbins , so its not just human nature to go for the easiest sugar rusj !!!!
where are all these fatties..?
Ever been in an Asda?
[i]In america there have been reported cases of bears and racoons with diabetes due to them eating junk food out of dustbins , so its not just human nature to go for the easiest sugar rusj !!!! [/i]
I assume thats T2D, as they were unlikely to be born Diabetic.
wrecker - mikewsmiths diet looks pretty similar to mine. When do you reckon it will "catch up" with me?
Tomorrow? I don't know do I?
It's very similar to my old diet. I'm far leaner now I've changed it.
Don't try to tell me that curry in a packet is a healthy option.
where are all these fatties..?
everywhere, seems to me like most people i see could do with shifting a few kg. lots of people being a bit overweight makes those who are a 'mildly obese' look a bit overweight and those who are morbidly obese appear mildly obese.
our perception of overweight is changing.
Don't try to tell me that curry in a packet is a healthy option.
Sorry just confessing that I don't make my own Thai curry paste, not quite got everything here yet. Rest is made fresh.
our perception of overweight is changing
I often hear people saying they could maybe do with losing half a stone of so. This usually means that they could do with losing 2 or 3 stone.
Mike, Wrecker, Druid.
May I ask what the basis is for your food choices.
What [i]standard / filter[/i] do you apply to ascertain what food you believe is correct for you ?.
(Genuine Q, theres no right or wrong here, just asking)
Yes solo ,
type two diabetes due to eating the shite that people leave in bins
[i]our perception of overweight is changing.[/i]
Isnt that along with clothes manufacturers adjusting the cut of their sizing too.
Didn't the OP's article pointout that 'L' has now become 'M', that 'XL' has become 'L'.
I must admit to seeing some folk and then thinking to myself, " [i]how and where on earth did they get clothes large enough to fit "[/i].
Yes, I have seen people [i] that [/i] large.
[i]our perception of overweight is changing[/i]
not helped by clothes companies, what was a 18 is now labeled as 16 or even 14 (Gap, I'm looking at you LOL). I buy a lot of vintage clothes, some of the dress sizes for stuff from the fifties is laughable really ( i fit into size 10/12). For modern stuff I'm size 6.
Edit: I make stuff too, and have stolen patterns from my gran, her size chart shows waist/bust 24/31 as size 12, same measurements now are 6
[i]Yes solo ,
type two diabetes due to eating the shite that people leave in bins[/i]
So, those poor animals have consumed so much sugar that their insulin response is shot to bits.
Some of the food Man has created is truely scary, stuff.
Fresh, varied not much processing.
Taking the best parts from what I have seen in life so far.
Also have a general science background.
It also has to taste good 🙂
Also I "try" not to overeat when I'm inactive - that is the hard bit really. My exercise has been up and down in the last year so changing portion size etc is a little iffy sometimes.
I also know that you can make some really unhealthy food from scratch too.
On clothing sizes - did they also make inches longer at some point? I still wear 30" or 32" waist size trousers (often have to go 32 for the thighs!) When they get tight, I know I have to eat less and/or exercise more.
wrecker - eating egg whites just sounds like a horrible snack. Bleurghh! 🙂
A lack of personal responsibility is the biggest threat to life rather than anything else.
Hmmm, personal responsibility is important, but I think you are massively letting the food industry off the hook there. They spend millions and millions marketing unhealthy food (especially to children), on making it much more readily available than healthy alternatives, and lobbying/bullying governments and organisations like the WHO to tone down healthy eating recommendations.
Yes you can still buy healthy food but it becomes increasingly difficult - try buying something healthy from any garage or convenience store.
On clothing sizes - did they also make inches longer at some point?
Kind of. A 32" waist pair of jeans doesn't actually have a 32" waist...
her size chart shows waist/bust 24/31 as size 12, same measurements now are 6
Could part of the size changes be down to people being a lot taller now than they were?
There's a bloke at work who's really proud that he still fits in 32" trousers. Seems a bit churlish to point out to him that's because you've got cocktail sticks for legs and you're wearing them round your hips. That massive tyre just above - that's your real waist. 😀
[i]Yes you can still buy healthy food but it becomes increasingly difficult - try buying something healthy from any garage or convenience store. [/i]
I heard that, even my local Sainsbury's is absolutely awful at sourcing and stocking the food I want.
In fact, since moving to Coventry, I've been properly hacked off with the supermarkets here.
Absolutely shocking.
try buying something healthy from any garage or convenience store.
Try not shopping in a Garage!
Tesco's is open 24/7 these days and they actually have a large selection of fresh fruit, veg, meat and fish.
Salmon, Spuds, Green veg steamed 20mins?? Yes it's harder than picking up 1 packet but your body will thank you.
One of the things I miss in Oz is the quality and variety of UK supermarkets. I could go in and get everything I needed fresh or good quality in 1 visit.
arrrghh, stuff to do...
Miketually, not really, that's what hems are for!!
Have to agree with Wrecker, on paper mikewsmith's diet doesnt look that healthy to me. But it obviosuly is ok for him, so lucky Mike.
My diet was just like that for most my life until 2 years ago. But I was 2 1/2 stone overweight and no amount of exercise (and I was doing a lot) made an ounce of difference.
All the info I was reading back then said that most of my diet should come from carbs/starhcy food, which was what I was doing, so I just thought I had "bad genes" :lol:.
Anyway, without really knowing the science, I cut out the pasta, cereal, bread and dropped 2 stone in next to no time plus found I had more energy.
Now I know a bit more about the insulin response etc, it now makes sense.
We are clearly all different. But low carb/low GI/low sugar... whatever you want to call it works for me.
Try not shopping in a Garage!
I don't generally - and yes if I was more organised I would never have to. It only generally happens when I'm working long hours and don't have much time for breaks etc.
Salmon, Spuds, Green veg steamed 20mins??
Not really possible when I'm working a 12 hour day and grabbing something on the way between two jobs. And yes I should take something from home with me, but is it really right that there should be shops selling food where there is literally nothing even vaguely healthy in the whole shop? It's hard enough just to find a sandwich on brown bread.
I don't quite see why you are so keen for people to take more responsibility, but don't seem to think the food industry should take any responsibility (or be made to by regulation). Surely both things are desirable.
[i]But I was 2 1/2 stone overweight and no amount of exercise (and I was doing a lot) made an ounce of difference.[/i]
My post from page 3:
[i]The American College for Sports Medicine:
Exercise may be associated with better long-term weight control than dieting alone, but the influence of regular physical activity on weight regulation is complex. Although numerous experimental studies have documented the positive effect of exercise training on body weight and fat stores, far less is known about how regular exercise affects attained weight and the risk of weight gain in the general population. What few longitudinal data there are suggest that regular physical activity may be useful in minimizing age-related weight gain or reducing the risk of substantial weight gain, [b]rather than in actually promoting weight loss.[/b] Nonetheless, primary prevention of substantial weight gain with age may be a more efficacious public health strategy for reducing the prevalence of obesity and obesity-related morbidity and mortality in the United States. [/i]
And I am currently reading this:
[i]Last fall, researchers at the University of California, Davis, published three studies—two of humans, one of rhesus monkeys—confirming the deleterious effect of these sugars on metabolism and insulin levels. The message of all three studies was that sugars are unhealthy—not because people or monkeys consumed too much of them, but because, well, they do things to our bodies that the other nutrients we eat simply don’t do.
[b]The second fallacy is the belief that physical activity plays a meaningful role in keeping off the pounds—an idea that the authorities just can’t seem to let go of, despite all evidence to the contrary.[/b] “We don’t walk, we don’t bike,” says University of North Carolina economist Barry Popkin in The Weight of the Nation. If we do exercise regularly, the logic goes, then we’ll at least maintain a healthy weight (along with other health benefits), which is why the official government recommendations from the USDA are that we should all do 150 minutes each week of “moderate intensity” aerobic exercise. And if that’s not enough to maintain a healthy weight or lose the excess, then, well, we should do more.
So why is the world full of obese individuals who do exercise regularly? Arkansas construction workers in The Weight of the Nation, for instance, do jobs that require constant lifting and running up ladders with “about 50 to 60 pounds of tools”—and an equal amount of excess fat. They’re on-camera making the point about how the combination is exhausting. “By the time the day’s over,” one tells us, “your feet are killing you; your legs are cramping. You can’t last as long as you used to.” If physical activity helps us lose weight or even just maintain it, how did these hardworking men get so fat?
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Mike, Wrecker, Druid.May I ask what the basis is for your food choices.
I certainly don't consider myself an expert, but I try to have a diet which fits with my goals;
Gain lean muscle, stay fit/get fitter and be generally healthy. I do not want to lose weight. I'm not a bodybuilder by any stretch but I'm no racing snake either.
I know that I want a lot of protein and fibre, I know that I don't want lots of sugar or fat and try to only have wholewheat carbs.
I try to eat lean meat/fish and vegetables and pulses with an absolute minimum of prepared food. I do not eat crisps, chocolate, cakes etc. As I say I'm no expert at all.
When I fail (and I do), it's usually when I've been in the gym (straight from work) and haven't time to cook as its 2100hrs and I need to shower, walk the dog, sort my stuff for the next day etc. A healthy take away option would be amazing.